Quoting Arthur Pemberton <pemboa@gmail.com>:

> On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Eli Wapniarski
> <eli@orbsky.homelinux.org> wrote:
>> On Tuesday 27 January 2009 02:18:01 José Matos wrote:
>>> When was the last time that rpm failed on you?
>>
>> Thankfully never.
>>
>>> Clearly if the maintainer of rpm that is also the packager for Fedora has
>>> decided to release it for a stable version of Fedora why is he wrong?
>>
>> Because it has not been deemed stable. With all due respect and release
>> deadlines not withstanding. Look if it ain't stable it ain't stable.
>> For what
>> ever reason. Some minor feature or cross platform whatever.
>>
>>> I have managed and released some projects where sometimes we kept the rc
>>> stage because there were problems in the windows port. Does that mean that
>>> we can not release it for Fedora because we want more tests on windows?
>>
>> No. It means the version for Linux should be marked as stable and
>> development
>> should continue on the Windows port until it is stable. However. As usual,
>> with caution. Instability in one area could mean a deeper underlying proble
>> somewhere deep in the code that is difficult to dig out.
>
>
> Should all pushes of KDE from updates-testing to updates be halted
> till KDE 4.5?
>

Why should I be concerned about Windows ports in the first place. KDE is and should be primarily an X Windows Manger. That it can be ported to Windows great. But if you're telling me that KDE is going to try to become a replacement for Windows on the Windows platform tell me now so I can jump ship over to Gnome over such a misguided idea and complete waste of time.

If you mean that KDE 4.3 and KDE 4.4 final will not be stable and KDE will not be stable until KDE 4.5 then the answer is yes. If I install it from updates-testing then that's my choice and my problem. But. if KDE is important to KDE users. We need it to work. We need the core apps to work. Like I indicated before, if I wanted to run gtk apps primarily then I would have logged into a gnome session. But guess what... My desktop environment of choice is still KDE because of the wonderful developement of the past which I am expecting into the future. But if the frustration continues for too long, I will be revisiting Gnome. If I need to use, as an example Firefox and the associated gtk plugins and other gtk apps, why am I wasting limited memory and cpu resources on my computer running 2 X Windows manager core libraries?

I expect KDE will improve over time. And improvements that have occurred between 4.0 and 4.2 have been nothing less then dramatic. So I will continue to use KDE but I don't think us users need to go through this again? The latest isn't always the greatest. It might become so. But thats the job for developers. Not the job of users. Even Fedora users.

Eli