Hi, I got this new job last week where I have to deal with my university's servers, mostly Solaris but also some Linux. The guys were kind enough set me up a Fedora machine before I moved into the office. But unfortunately they only installed the "Fedora Desktop", i.e. Gnome on it.
One of my colleagues told me that they liked KDE 3.5 a lot, but after the KDE 4.0 disaster, nobody was using KDE on the company anymore (see the impacts of certain decisions!). Well, this is not my point. Anyway, I logged in to Gnome and I set up the dual head (spanned desktop) with their tool and it worked right away.
Later on, I told my colleagues that KDE improved a lot since 4.0 and they should give a try to 4.3. For a demonstration I installed KDE on my machine. I logged in and the first thing to do was to setup the dual head. I opened System Settings and as soon as I clicked on the Display, X crashed and I was thrown out. It was really a bad experience for a demonstration (kind of like Bill Gates' WinME video). I logged back in and ran krandrtray. This one crashed X too. I clicked on whatever I can find regarding the desktop setup and I found that everything on KDE that is related to the X settings crashes X.
I then had to spend 15 minutes to write an xorg.conf file from scratch to make the dual head work, while people were making comments in the lines of "this is why I don't like KDE"... :(
So, what was my mistake? This box has an ATI card and has the open source radeon drivers (the proprietary drivers are not available on F-11). Should ATI users stick to F-10 if they want to use KDE, which has only 2 months of lifetime left?
I really feel bad. I wanted to show people how cool KDE 4.3 was, but I couldn't.
Orcan
Orcan Ogetbil wrote:
Later on, I told my colleagues that KDE improved a lot since 4.0 and they should give a try to 4.3. For a demonstration I installed KDE on my machine. I logged in and the first thing to do was to setup the dual head. I opened System Settings and as soon as I clicked on the Display, X crashed and I was thrown out. It was really a bad experience for a demonstration (kind of like Bill Gates' WinME video). I logged back in and ran krandrtray. This one crashed X too. I clicked on whatever I can find regarding the desktop setup and I found that everything on KDE that is related to the X settings crashes X.
I then had to spend 15 minutes to write an xorg.conf file from scratch to make the dual head work, while people were making comments in the lines of "this is why I don't like KDE"... :(
X crashing is almost certainly a driver bug (ie, querying randr items from the X server should be a relatively safe operation).
So, what was my mistake? This box has an ATI card and has the open source radeon drivers (the proprietary drivers are not available on F-11). Should ATI users stick to F-10 if they want to use KDE, which has only 2 months of lifetime left?
I believe there's already a bug filed for that somewhere, lemme see... hrm, can't find it. Please file one.
-- Rex
2009/10/6 Rex Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu
Orcan Ogetbil wrote:
Later on, I told my colleagues that KDE improved a lot since 4.0 and they should give a try to 4.3. For a demonstration I installed KDE on my machine. I logged in and the first thing to do was to setup the dual head. I opened System Settings and as soon as I clicked on the Display, X crashed and I was thrown out. It was really a bad experience for a demonstration (kind of like Bill Gates' WinME video). I logged back in and ran krandrtray. This one crashed X too. I clicked on whatever I can find regarding the desktop setup and I found that everything on KDE that is related to the X settings crashes X.
I then had to spend 15 minutes to write an xorg.conf file from scratch to make the dual head work, while people were making comments in the lines of "this is why I don't like KDE"... :(
X crashing is almost certainly a driver bug (ie, querying randr items from the X server should be a relatively safe operation).
I agree, but we have to say that krandrtray is almost useless for dual head, no matter what driver are you using.
I have an Intel graphic card, and when I want to use extended desktop, I have to use xrandr from Konsole, or a 3rd-parthy app like Arandr (great and simple, but is GTK).
Do you know if KDE devs have plans for improving krandrtray? Or do yo know about an KDE/Qt alternative?
On Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 04:42:01PM -0400, Christian González wrote:
Do you know if KDE devs have plans for improving krandrtray? Or do yo know about an KDE/Qt alternative?
What is wrong with "System Settings -> Display"? Works fine for setting up dual-head for me.
2009/10/6 Sven Lankes sven@lank.es
On Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 04:42:01PM -0400, Christian González wrote:
Do you know if KDE devs have plans for improving krandrtray? Or do yo
know
about an KDE/Qt alternative?
What is wrong with "System Settings -> Display"? Works fine for setting up dual-head for me.
Last time I tried (KDE 4.2 IIRC) I just didn't get an extended desktop with System Settings -> Display. All I get is a clone.
I don't have an external monitor here. I'll try again tomorrow.
El 6 de octubre de 2009 23:00, Christian González chgonzalezg@gmail.comescribió:
2009/10/6 Sven Lankes sven@lank.es
On Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 04:42:01PM -0400, Christian González wrote:
Do you know if KDE devs have plans for improving krandrtray? Or do yo
know
about an KDE/Qt alternative?
What is wrong with "System Settings -> Display"? Works fine for setting up dual-head for me.
Last time I tried (KDE 4.2 IIRC) I just didn't get an extended desktop with System Settings -> Display. All I get is a clone.
I don't have an external monitor here. I'll try again tomorrow.
Confirmed. "System Settings - Display" don't work for dual-head (at least here). All I get when clicking the multi-monitor module is a message:
"This module is only for configuring systems with a single desktop spread across multiple monitors. You do not appear to have this configuration."
Note that using "xrandr --output VGA1 --right-of LVDS1" or Arandr works like a charm.
On Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 09:25:33AM -0400, Christian González wrote:
What is wrong with "System Settings -> Display"? Works fine for setting up dual-head for me.
Confirmed. "System Settings - Display" don't work for dual-head (at least here). All I get when clicking the multi-monitor module is a message: "This module is only for configuring systems with a single desktop spread across multiple monitors. You do not appear to have this configuration." Note that using "xrandr --output VGA1 --right-of LVDS1" or Arandr works like a charm.
You said that you're using intel graphics?
As far as I know for F11 there is a huge difference between 965 and newer chipsets vs. everything else (8xx etc.).
So if you're using an 8xx chipset there is a good chance that stuff will just work once F12 is released as the new intel driver (in combination with the new kernel) fixes a lot of issues with those chips.
2009/10/8 Sven Lankes sven@lank.es
On Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 09:25:33AM -0400, Christian González wrote:
What is wrong with "System Settings -> Display"? Works fine for setting up dual-head for me.
Confirmed. "System Settings - Display" don't work for dual-head (at
least
here). All I get when clicking the multi-monitor module is a message: "This module is only for configuring systems with a single desktop spread across multiple monitors. You do not appear to have this configuration." Note that using "xrandr --output VGA1 --right-of LVDS1" or Arandr works
like
a charm.
You said that you're using intel graphics?
As far as I know for F11 there is a huge difference between 965 and newer chipsets vs. everything else (8xx etc.).
[christian@laptop ~]$ lspci | grep VGA 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)
So if you're using an 8xx chipset there is a good chance that stuff will
just work once F12 is released as the new intel driver (in combination with the new kernel) fixes a lot of issues with those chips.
Altought I'm not using 8xx, I'm tempted to switch to Rawhide just for testing the new driver and kernel. Is Rawhide in good state right now? IIRC, Beta is close.
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Rex Dieter wrote:
Orcan Ogetbil wrote:
So, what was my mistake? This box has an ATI card and has the open source radeon drivers (the proprietary drivers are not available on F-11). Should ATI users stick to F-10 if they want to use KDE, which has only 2 months of lifetime left?
I believe there's already a bug filed for that somewhere, lemme see... hrm, can't find it. Please file one.
Sure. Where exactly to file the bug?
Orcan
Orcan Ogetbil wrote:
Sure. Where exactly to file the bug?
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/ against xorg-x11-drv-ati. X11 crashing is clearly a driver bug.
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