How do I turn down the volume on a system beep ?

[linux guy]

F12 fully up to date.  KDE sessions.

System beeps, ie Evolution receiving a new email are very loud.  How do
I turn them down or off entirely ?

Thanks

[Anne Wilson]

On Wednesday 24 March 2010 00:18:51 Linuxguy123 wrote:
> F12 fully up to date.  KDE sessions.
>
> System beeps, ie Evolution receiving a new email are very loud.  How do
> I turn them down or off entirely ?

SystemSettings > Notifications > System Notifications > Event Source: KDE 
System Notificastions might work, but then Evolution isn't a KDE app, is it?  
so I don't know what it uses.  There are specific settings for KMail 
notifications.

Anne

[linux guy]

On Wed, 2010-03-24 at 09:06 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Wednesday 24 March 2010 00:18:51 Linuxguy123 wrote:
> > F12 fully up to date.  KDE sessions.
> >
> > System beeps, ie Evolution receiving a new email are very loud.  How do
> > I turn them down or off entirely ?
>
> SystemSettings > Notifications > System Notifications > Event Source: KDE 
> System Notificastions might work, but then Evolution isn't a KDE app, is it?

Nope.  Your instructions didn't work.
> so I don't know what it uses.  There are specific settings for KMail 
> notifications.

I see that.

My left hand panel of the System Notifications window has an item called
"System Bell".   It has an option to Use bell instead of system
notification and then lets one set the volume, pitch and duration.
I've tried setting them, but it doesn't work.

When does this become a bug ?

Thanks

[Mitchell Richters]

On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Linuxguy123  wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-03-24 at 09:06 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > On Wednesday 24 March 2010 00:18:51 Linuxguy123 wrote:
> > > F12 fully up to date.  KDE sessions.
> > >
> > > System beeps, ie Evolution receiving a new email are very loud.  How do
> > > I turn them down or off entirely ?
> >
> > SystemSettings > Notifications > System Notifications > Event Source: KDE
> > System Notificastions might work, but then Evolution isn't a KDE app, is
>
> it?
>
> Nope.  Your instructions didn't work.
> > so I don't know what it uses.  There are specific settings for KMail
> > notifications.
>
> I see that.
>
> My left hand panel of the System Notifications window has an item called
> "System Bell".   It has an option to Use bell instead of system
> notification and then lets one set the volume, pitch and duration.
> I've tried setting them, but it doesn't work.
>
> When does this become a bug ?
>
> Thanks
>
> kde mailing list
> [e-mail]
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kde
> New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org

You might have to use GConf to sort this out.

[Kevin Kofler]

Linuxguy123 wrote:
> F12 fully up to date.  KDE sessions.

But not a KDE app, so this is off-topic here.
> System beeps, ie Evolution receiving a new email are very loud.  How do
> I turn them down or off entirely ?

Evolution uses some GNOME notification system, either libcanberra or 
something older, you'll have to figure out how to set that up. It can't be 
set up from KDE's System Settings or any other KDE interface.

Kevin Kofler

[Eli Wapniarski]

On Wednesday 24 March 2010 02:18:51 Linuxguy123 wrote:
> F12 fully up to date.  KDE sessions.
>
> System beeps, ie Evolution receiving a new email are very loud.  How do
> I turn them down or off entirely ?
>
> Thanks

If you are unable to see the beep in kmix you will need to configure channels 
and select it. If you do not see the option, it means that the kde multimedia 
system is configured to work with phonon and not alsa.

I do not remember where to configure this in the kde settings. Kevin Koffler 
pointed this one out to me and is documented at

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/KDE_PulseAudio_Integration

At the bottom there is the section called "Release Notes" and there you will 
find the following information. Of course, you will have to logoff and back on 
to your KDE session to be able to see the change.

Users of KMix will notice that most of their hardware sound controls are no 
longer shown in the default (PulseAudio-based) interface. To get access to 
these controls, close KMix (use right-click / quit) and restart it by running 
KMIX_PULSEAUDIO_DISABLE=1 kmix in a Konsole terminal. To make this change 
permanent, add export KMIX_PULSEAUDIO_DISABLE=1 to your ~/.bashrc file.

Eli

[Kevin Kofler]

Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> If you are unable to see the beep in kmix you will need to configure
> channels and select it. If you do not see the option, it means that the
> kde multimedia system is configured to work with phonon and not alsa.

"Phonon and not ALSA"? Huh? I think you mean PulseAudio where you wrote 
"phonon". But KMix PulseAudio integration is disabled by default in Fedora 
12!
> I do not remember where to configure this in the kde settings. Kevin
> Koffler pointed this one out to me and is documented at

There's only one 'f' at "Kofler"!
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/KDE_PulseAudio_Integration
>
> At the bottom there is the section called "Release Notes" and there you
> will find the following information. Of course, you will have to logoff
> and back on to your KDE session to be able to see the change.

But the suggested change is already the default setup on Fedora 12! That 
feature page is for Fedora 13.

The PC speaker setting in ALSA (and thus KMix) will only work if you're 
having your sound card emulate the PC speaker, which is probably not how his 
hardware is set up. (I think that feature is only used on some laptops.) If:
* you're using the actual PC speaker for beeps (not the sound card) OR
* you're redirecting the X11 bell to the sound card in software using PA OR
* the program isn't using beeps at all, but some GNOME notification sound,
then that setting will have no effect whatsoever.

Kevin Kofler

[Eli Wapniarski]

Never write emails when you just wake up. :). That's the lesson here folks.

And thanks for the extra info Kevin.

Eli

On Thursday 25 March 2010 07:44:33 Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > If you are unable to see the beep in kmix you will need to configure
> > channels and select it. If you do not see the option, it means that the
> > kde multimedia system is configured to work with phonon and not alsa.
>
> "Phonon and not ALSA"? Huh? I think you mean PulseAudio where you wrote
> "phonon". But KMix PulseAudio integration is disabled by default in Fedora
> 12!
> > I do not remember where to configure this in the kde settings. Kevin
> > Koffler pointed this one out to me and is documented at
>
> There's only one 'f' at "Kofler"!
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/KDE_PulseAudio_Integration
> >
> > At the bottom there is the section called "Release Notes" and there you
> > will find the following information. Of course, you will have to logoff
> > and back on to your KDE session to be able to see the change.
>
> But the suggested change is already the default setup on Fedora 12! That
> feature page is for Fedora 13.
>
> The PC speaker setting in ALSA (and thus KMix) will only work if you're
> having your sound card emulate the PC speaker, which is probably not how
> his hardware is set up. (I think that feature is only used on some
> laptops.) If: * you're using the actual PC speaker for beeps (not the
> sound card) OR * you're redirecting the X11 bell to the sound card in
> software using PA OR * the program isn't using beeps at all, but some
> GNOME notification sound, then that setting will have no effect
> whatsoever.
>     Kevin Kofler
>
> kde mailing list
> [e-mail]
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kde
> New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org

[linux guy]

On Thu, 2010-03-25 at 07:27 +0200, Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> On Wednesday 24 March 2010 02:18:51 Linuxguy123 wrote:
> > F12 fully up to date.  KDE sessions.
> >
> > System beeps, ie Evolution receiving a new email are very loud.  How do
> > I turn them down or off entirely ?
> >
> > Thanks
>
> If you are unable to see the beep in kmix

When did the beep show up in kmix ?   I'm sure I checked for it when
this all started, but now its there in mine.  I muted it and now all is
well !  No more beeps.

The beep volume was set to zero before I muted it.  Apparently that
didn't make it quiet.
> you will need to configure channels 
> and select it. If you do not see the option, it means that the kde multimedia 
> system is configured to work with phonon and not alsa.
>
> I do not remember where to configure this in the kde settings. Kevin Koffler 
> pointed this one out to me and is documented at
>
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/KDE_PulseAudio_Integration
>
> At the bottom there is the section called "Release Notes" and there you will 
> find the following information. Of course, you will have to logoff and back on 
> to your KDE session to be able to see the change.
>
> Users of KMix will notice that most of their hardware sound controls are no 
> longer shown in the default (PulseAudio-based) interface. To get access to 
> these controls, close KMix (use right-click / quit) and restart it by running 
> KMIX_PULSEAUDIO_DISABLE=1 kmix in a Konsole terminal. To make this change 
> permanent, add export KMIX_PULSEAUDIO_DISABLE=1 to your ~/.bashrc file.

Great post !  Thanks for taking the time to do this.   Much appreciated.

[Eli Wapniarski]

Cool

Eli

On Thursday 25 March 2010 09:17:56 Linuxguy123 wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-03-25 at 07:27 +0200, Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > On Wednesday 24 March 2010 02:18:51 Linuxguy123 wrote:
> > > F12 fully up to date.  KDE sessions.
> > >
> > > System beeps, ie Evolution receiving a new email are very loud.  How do
> > > I turn them down or off entirely ?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> >
> > If you are unable to see the beep in kmix
>
> When did the beep show up in kmix ?   I'm sure I checked for it when
> this all started, but now its there in mine.  I muted it and now all is
> well !  No more beeps.
>
> The beep volume was set to zero before I muted it.  Apparently that
> didn't make it quiet.
> > you will need to configure channels
> > and select it. If you do not see the option, it means that the kde
> > multimedia system is configured to work with phonon and not alsa.
> >
> > I do not remember where to configure this in the kde settings. Kevin
> > Koffler pointed this one out to me and is documented at
> >
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/KDE_PulseAudio_Integration
> >
> > At the bottom there is the section called "Release Notes" and there you
> > will find the following information. Of course, you will have to logoff
> > and back on to your KDE session to be able to see the change.
> >
> > Users of KMix will notice that most of their hardware sound controls are
> > no longer shown in the default (PulseAudio-based) interface. To get
> > access to these controls, close KMix (use right-click / quit) and
> > restart it by running KMIX_PULSEAUDIO_DISABLE=1 kmix in a Konsole
> > terminal. To make this change permanent, add export
> > KMIX_PULSEAUDIO_DISABLE=1 to your ~/.bashrc file.
>
> Great post !  Thanks for taking the time to do this.   Much appreciated.
>
> kde mailing list
> [e-mail]
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kde
> New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org

[linux guy]

On Thu, 2010-03-25 at 20:06 +0200, Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> Cool

Very peaceful working here this morning.  No full volume beeps scaring
the &*&^^%*( out of me every time an email arrives.

Thanks for your help.