KMess rpm?

[Diego]

Hello everybody!

Is anybody willing to create a spec file for KMess 2.0 beta2? It would 
be really nice to have it in kde-unstable, it's by far one of the most 
active MSN clones out there and its development pace is ultra-rapid! 
It's a real pain that no rpm is available for Fedora.

Regards,
Diego

P.S.: thanks for you work KDE-Sig: KDE in Fedora is progressing day by day!

[Eelko Berkenpies]

On Tue, 26 May 2009 08:54:20 +0200, Diego  wrote:
> Hello everybody!
>
> Is anybody willing to create a spec file for KMess 2.0 beta2? It would 
> be really nice to have it in kde-unstable, it's by far one of the most 
> active MSN clones out there and its development pace is ultra-rapid! 
> It's a real pain that no rpm is available for Fedora.

I quote;

URL: http://kmess.org/installing/

<snip>

Building a KMess package

The rpmbuild command is suitable for distibutions using the RPM package
format. This includes distributions like SuSE, Mandriva, Redhat and Fedora.
A KMess RPM package can be created with the command:

rpmbuild -tb kmess-<version>.tar.gz

The rpmbuild command runs a full source-based installation, but builds a
package instead of installing KMess. The final package can be found in a
subfolder of /usr/src/packages/ or /usr/src/rpm/. You can use that package
to install KMess.

If you have a clean, newly-installed system, without any KDE upgrades, you
can share the package with others. Make sure users can always download the
source package too, as required by the GPL license. However, we recommend
to use our KMess Installer whenever possible.

Tip: when you install the autopackage-devel tools before building the RPM
package, the rpm spec script uses apbuild to create a cleaner binary.

/end quote;

Good luck! :)
> Regards,
> Diego
>
> P.S.: thanks for you work KDE-Sig: KDE in Fedora is progressing day by

day!

[Kevin Kofler]

Eelko Berkenpies wrote:
> rpmbuild -tb kmess-<version>.tar.gz

That uses the upstream specfile. While I haven't checked this particular
one, those tend to be absolute crap in general. They are often
autogenerated, often use some bizarre hacks to autogenerate file lists and
generally try to support every RPM-based distro under the sun (which tends
not to work reliably). The fact that they try using autopackage tools
during an RPM build also makes me shout "WTF???!!!".

Kevin Kofler

[Florian Sievert]

Hi,
> Is anybody willing to create a spec file for KMess 2.0 beta2? It would 
> be really nice to have it in kde-unstable, it's by far one of the most 
> active MSN clones out there and its development pace is ultra-rapid! 
> It's a real pain that no rpm is available for Fedora.

I put a i586 version for f11 in my repository. Please note this is the
new version based on qt4.
http://floriansievert.de/linux/repo/f11/unstable/repoview/kmess.html
Please be sure to read also:
http://floriansievert.de/linux/repo/english.html

Specs: http://dev.floriansievert.de/phobos/SPECS/kmess.spec
64bit builds will follow within the next days. Feel free to comment or
use. I am not using this software, so I just test, if it starts up.
Anyone using it on a regular base, might want to test, if it is useable
at all.

Best regards,
Florian

[Sven Lankes]

On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:51:25AM +0200, Florian Sievert wrote:

[KMess]
> I put a i586 version for f11 in my repository. Please note this is the
> new version based on qt4.
> http://floriansievert.de/linux/repo/f11/unstable/repoview/kmess.html
> Please be sure to read also:
> http://floriansievert.de/linux/repo/english.html

This reads:

This repository is targeting Fedora 9 kde users

Is there a reason, why you're not maintaining the packages inside of
the fedora cvs?

[Florian Sievert]

Hi,
> This repository is targeting Fedora 9 kde users

This statement is not up to date.
> Is there a reason, why you're not maintaining the packages inside of
> the fedora cvs?

Simply time. During the last year I had a lot work to do (thesis etc.)
and it is much easier for me to create packages without having review
them or going to the meetings. Using fedora cvs is causing quite lot to
read and causes quite some work on organisation. Time I didn't had
during the last year. Additionally most of the packages was cutting edge
and not suitable for common use. Some packages was already used to make
them "official" and if there is someone willed to take over a package
into the official onces, I will stop support for them at once. I am
currently moving into a new job and I am not sure how much spare time
this will offer. If I have some, I'll might come to the meetings and
help on make some packages avaible for the official ones. However, the
repository is currently just for testing purposes, friends or interested
fedora followers.

[Diego]

Thanks Florian for the package!

I tested it in F10 and it works almost fine:
- clicking on the rpm opens up PackageKit which does its magic and 
installs the needed dependencies;
- the program is in the menu and opens up just fine.

Unfortunately it cannot authenticate in the server. I thought that maybe 
some authentication-related dependency could be missing, I searched for 
the dependencies:
http://kmess.org/board/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3635
and I found that I was missing qca-ossl package.

I tried to take a look at the spec file but the link you provided asks 
for password...

Regards,
Diego

[Florian Sievert]

Hi Diego,
> Unfortunately it cannot authenticate in the server. I thought that maybe 
> some authentication-related dependency could be missing, I searched for 
> the dependencies:
> http://kmess.org/board/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3635
> and I found that I was missing qca-ossl package.

That's stange. In fact in the thread you give, the developer is saying
that this is a build requirement, not a runtime requirement. Did I get
your correct, that it works, if you install "qca-ossl"? In fact I would
expect the package called "qca2-ossl", but ... I am pushing a new
version with the package as requirements and will play with mock
tomorrow a little bit.
> I tried to take a look at the spec file but the link you provided asks 
> for password...

Sorry, forget to post. Simple use "guest" as username and use an empty
password. Additionally I uploaded the srpms to the repository location.

Best regards,
Florian

[Diego]

> In fact in the thread you give, the developer is saying
> that this is a build requirement, not a runtime requirement.

Yes, but a beta tester also says that:
"runtime dependencies: KDE 4 libs (kdelibs5), QCA2 and the openssl 
plugin (libqca2?, libqca2-ossl?), libXScrnSaver (libxss?), the Oxygen 
icon theme."
> Did I get
> your correct, that it works, if you install "qca-ossl"?

Yes, just after installing qca-ossl authentication starts to work right.
> In fact I would
> expect the package called "qca2-ossl", but ...

I agree... strange numbering. Maybe because qca and qca2 are both in use 
by different programs while only qca-ossl 2 is in use? It bumped 
directly from 0.1 to 2.0 beta...
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=5203

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/packages/name/qca2
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/packages/name/qca-ossl

Thanks again,
Diego

[Jaroslav Reznik]

On Miércoles 27 Mayo 2009 11:51:25 Florian Sievert escribió:
> Hi,
> > Is anybody willing to create a spec file for KMess 2.0 beta2? It would
> > be really nice to have it in kde-unstable, it's by far one of the most
> > active MSN clones out there and its development pace is ultra-rapid!
> > It's a real pain that no rpm is available for Fedora.
>
> I put a i586 version for f11 in my repository. Please note this is the
> new version based on qt4.
> http://floriansievert.de/linux/repo/f11/unstable/repoview/kmess.html
> Please be sure to read also:
> http://floriansievert.de/linux/repo/english.html
>
> Specs: http://dev.floriansievert.de/phobos/SPECS/kmess.spec
> 64bit builds will follow within the next days. Feel free to comment or
> use. I am not using this software, so I just test, if it starts up.
> Anyone using it on a regular base, might want to test, if it is useable
> at all.

Seems from comments that there is quite big demand for KMess in Fedora 
repository, I can import your package to Fedora (review process, maintaining) 
but I need either some help from real MSN/KMess users as I'm using mostly 
Jabber/ICQ and Kopete.

Jaroslav
> Best regards,
> Florian
>
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[Florian Sievert]

Hi Jaroslav,
> Seems from comments that there is quite big demand for KMess in Fedora 
> repository, I can import your package to Fedora (review process, maintaining)

Okay, I made up my mind. In fact the thesis is nearly finished and the
last time we mailed, I wrote, that I would try to join KDE SIG, if I
have some spare time. So give me a chance to test how much bureaucracy
this means for me ;) If you willed to give me a hand I would make the
packages of my repository (that I would claim "stable") contribute to
the official ones and maintain them. Might be a good chance to get
involved finally... even if I have more and more issues with the latest
fedora politics ;)
> but I need either some help from real MSN/KMess users as I'm using mostly 
> Jabber/ICQ and Kopete.

However, this would also count for me. I know a real live person using
MSN, however I am not really using it. But Diego will be crying loud if
something wents terrible wrong... I hope ;)

Best regards,
Florian

[Jaroslav Reznik]

On Jueves 28 Mayo 2009 11:53:57 Florian Sievert escribió:
> Hi Jaroslav,
> > Seems from comments that there is quite big demand for KMess in Fedora
> > repository, I can import your package to Fedora (review process,
> > maintaining)
>
> Okay, I made up my mind. In fact the thesis is nearly finished and the
> last time we mailed, I wrote, that I would try to join KDE SIG, if I
> have some spare time. So give me a chance to test how much bureaucracy
> this means for me ;) If you willed to give me a hand I would make the
> packages of my repository (that I would claim "stable") contribute to
> the official ones and maintain them. Might be a good chance to get
> involved finally... even if I have more and more issues with the latest
> fedora politics ;)

Hi Florian,
great news! I can guide you through this process, review your packages and I 
can co-maintain them to help you.

I've already made some changes in KMess SPEC file, I'll send you patch or we 
can deal with it in review.
> > but I need either some help from real MSN/KMess users as I'm using mostly
> > Jabber/ICQ and Kopete.
>
> However, this would also count for me. I know a real live person using
> MSN, however I am not really using it. But Diego will be crying loud if
> something wents terrible wrong... I hope ;)

Yes, I hope he would ;-)

Jaroslav
> Best regards,
> Florian
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[Florian Sievert]

Hi Jaroslav,
> great news! I can guide you through this process, review your packages and I 
> can co-maintain them to help you.

That sound like an deal. Mankind is lazy and will always find a reason
why not doing something. So might be time to get forward ;)
However "kmess" is an application and does involve some more work than a
simple plasmoid. I just put up a review request for a small plasmoid
that might be nice to get familiar with the process, while having some
additional time to get kmess into shape. Also currently my mock seems to
mock up. We still have lots of time... err... 8 days for kmess ;)
> I've already made some changes in KMess SPEC file, I'll send you patch or we 
> can deal with it in review.

In fact I am getting interesting. Feel free to send me the patch. ;)

Ceyas,
Florian

[Jaroslav Reznik]

On Jueves 28 Mayo 2009 12:55:08 Florian Sievert escribió:
> Hi Jaroslav,
> > great news! I can guide you through this process, review your packages
> > and I can co-maintain them to help you.
>
> That sound like an deal. Mankind is lazy and will always find a reason
> why not doing something. So might be time to get forward ;)
> However "kmess" is an application and does involve some more work than a
> simple plasmoid. I just put up a review request for a small plasmoid
> that might be nice to get familiar with the process, while having some
> additional time to get kmess into shape. Also currently my mock seems to
> mock up. We still have lots of time... err... 8 days for kmess ;)

Indeed, kmess is mees now :) That's why reviews are so important and annoying 
too :D So please, send it for review because as reviewer I can't work (in time 
of review on that package) but I've found some issues and you know, my 
memory...

Are you already in packagers group or you need sponsorship? If yes, we can ask 
Rex to sponsor you (but I'll do reviews)...

Jaroslav
> > I've already made some changes in KMess SPEC file, I'll send you patch or
> > we can deal with it in review.
>
> In fact I am getting interesting. Feel free to send me the patch. ;)
>
> Ceyas,
> Florian
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[Florian Sievert]

Hi Jaroslav,
> Indeed, kmess is mees now :) That's why reviews are so important and annoying 
> too :D So please, send it for review because as reviewer I can't work (in time 
> of review on that package) but I've found some issues and you know, my 
> memory...

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=503148
> Are you already in packagers group or you need sponsorship? If yes, we can ask 
> Rex to sponsor you (but I'll do reviews)...

No, I am complete fresh meat. Bugzilla account exist, a complete fedora
account with cla_done and a idyling request for "Fedora Packager CVS
Commit Group". No sponsor at all. I am currently going throught the tons
of text.

Currently koji is making some trouble.

fedora-packager-setup

Setting up Fedora packager environment
Saved: /home/phobeus/.fedora-server-ca.cert
Linking: ~/.fedora-server-ca.cert to ~/.fedora-upload-ca.cert
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/bin/fedora-packager-setup", line 131, in <module>
    main()
  File "/usr/bin/fedora-packager-setup", line 117, in main
    os.unlink(upload_ca_cert)
OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
'/home/phobeus/.fedora-upload-ca.cert'

Not sure, what it tries to tell me. Maybe this is because a missing
access? The .fedora.cert is avaible, but I didn't find anything about
this cert yet.

Best regards,
Florian

[Florian Sievert]

Hi,
> Setting up Fedora packager environment
> Saved: /home/phobeus/.fedora-server-ca.cert
> Linking: ~/.fedora-server-ca.cert to ~/.fedora-upload-ca.cert
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/bin/fedora-packager-setup", line 131, in <module>
>     main()
>   File "/usr/bin/fedora-packager-setup", line 117, in main
>     os.unlink(upload_ca_cert)
> OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
> '/home/phobeus/.fedora-upload-ca.cert'

Small correction. I managed to get an koji account, however the
instruction at:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join_the_package_collection_maintainers#Get_a...
Does not tell anything about .fedora-upload-ca.cert, but google is your
friend... ;)

[Diego]

> > / However, this would also count for me. I know a real live person using
>
> />/ MSN, however I am not really using it. But Diego will be crying loud if
> />/ something wents terrible wrong... I hope ;)
> /
> Yes, I hope he would ;-)

Of course you can count me for testing! ;)

I think KMess will rapidly get quite popular... it's rapidly growing and 
it's getting better than other MSN only clients like aMSN and emesene. 
And of course it uses KDE!

Regards,
Diego

[Laurent Rineau]

Le Thursday 28 May 2009 14:18:09, Diego a écrit :
> > > / However, this would also count for me. I know a real live person using
> >
> > />/ MSN, however I am not really using it. But Diego will be crying loud
> > if />/ something wents terrible wrong... I hope ;)
> > /
> > Yes, I hope he would ;-)
>
> Of course you can count me for testing! ;)
>
> I think KMess will rapidly get quite popular... it's rapidly growing and
> it's getting better than other MSN only clients like aMSN and emesene.
> And of course it uses KDE!

I wonder why its features have not been integrated in Kopete! :-(
Most of my contacts use MSN, but I also have a few contacts that use Jabber, 
Yahoo, ICQ, or AOL, and a lot that use Facebook (Kopete recently got a 
Facebook IM plugin).

[Diego]

> I wonder why its features have not been integrated in Kopete! :-(

http://amroth.coldshock.net/kmess/blog/kmess-features/hello-worlplanet/#comm...

[Laurent Rineau]

Le Thursday 28 May 2009 15:19:26, Diego a écrit :
> > I wonder why its features have not been integrated in Kopete! :-(
>
> http://amroth.coldshock.net/kmess/blog/kmess-features/hello-worlplanet/#com
> ment-27

I disagree. If the plugin interface of Kopete is not sufficient, it can be 
extended.

Anyway. a lot of features of KMess are independent from the protocol. As for 
MSN specific stuffs, KMess and Kopete MSN plugin could use a common library, 
for the features they can share, and KMess would only extend that with 
features that could not be added to the Kopete plugin.