Downgrading KDEPIM

[John Aldrich]

Can I add the F15 repos and downgrade KMail? I REALLY don't like KMail 2. It's 
slower than molasses at the North Pole in January and it's a huge resource hog 
to boot. I absolutely HATE the new version and if I can't go back to a version 
that works, I'll have to find a new email client! :(

[Eli Wapniarski]

Ditto

Eli

On Thursday 24 November 2011 09:19:10 John Aldrich wrote:
> Can I add the F15 repos and downgrade KMail? I REALLY don't like KMail 2.
> It's slower than molasses at the North Pole in January and it's a huge
> resource hog to boot. I absolutely HATE the new version and if I can't go
> back to a version that works, I'll have to find a new email client! :(
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[Colin J Thomson]

On Thursday 24 Nov 2011 09:19:10 John Aldrich wrote:
> Can I add the F15 repos and downgrade KMail? I REALLY don't like KMail 2.
> It's slower than molasses at the North Pole in January and it's a huge
> resource hog to boot. I absolutely HATE the new version and if I can't go
> back to a version that works, I'll have to find a new email client! :(

This has been talked about on here *many* a time:

http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/kde/2011-November/010471.html

How valid it is now I can't say as I now use F16/Kmail2

Colin

[Eli Wapniarski]

Ditto again

Eli

On Thursday 24 November 2011 18:11:26 Colin J Thomson wrote:
> On Thursday 24 Nov 2011 09:19:10 John Aldrich wrote:
> > Can I add the F15 repos and downgrade KMail? I REALLY don't like KMail
> > 2.
> > It's slower than molasses at the North Pole in January and it's a huge
> > resource hog to boot. I absolutely HATE the new version and if I can't
> > go
> > back to a version that works, I'll have to find a new email client! :(
>
> This has been talked about on here *many* a time:
>
> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/kde/2011-November/010471.html
>
> How valid it is now I can't say as I now use F16/Kmail2
>
> Colin

[Anne Wilson]

On Friday 25 November 2011 05:27:46 Anne Wilson wrote:
> Ditto again
>
> Eli
>
> On Thursday 24 November 2011 18:11:26 Colin J Thomson wrote:
> > On Thursday 24 Nov 2011 09:19:10 John Aldrich wrote:
> > > Can I add the F15 repos and downgrade KMail? I REALLY don't like KMail
> > > 2.
> > > It's slower than molasses at the North Pole in January and it's a huge
> > > resource hog to boot. I absolutely HATE the new version and if I can't
> > > go
> > > back to a version that works, I'll have to find a new email client! :(
> >
> > This has been talked about on here *many* a time:
> >
> > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/kde/2011-November/010471.html
> >
> > How valid it is now I can't say as I now use F16/Kmail2

The question remains - is it possible to use kdepim with F16, using fedora 
packages?

Anne

[Rex Dieter]

> > > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/kde/2011-November/010471.html
> > >
> > > How valid it is now I can't say as I now use F16/Kmail2
>
> The question remains - is it possible to use kdepim with F16, using fedora
> packages?

I've been told other distros tried, and that there are other various 
incompatibilities and problems, but we can give it a shot too.

(I'll see about whipping up some kdepim-4.4.x packaging, if possible, over 
the next few days).

-- rex

[Anne Wilson]

On 11/25/2011 03:08 PM, Rex Dieter wrote:
> > > > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/kde/2011-November/010471.html
> > > >
> > > > How valid it is now I can't say as I now use F16/Kmail2
> >
> > The question remains - is it possible to use kdepim with F16, using fedora
> > packages?
>
> I've been told other distros tried, and that there are other various 
> incompatibilities and problems, but we can give it a shot too.
>
> (I'll see about whipping up some kdepim-4.4.x packaging, if possible, over 
> the next few days).

It's reported that OpenSUSE have managed it - there may be some mileage
in talking to their packagers.  I'm all for saving unnecessary work.

Sorry, Thunderbird seems to have slipped into html mode again, and I'm
struggling to find where to turn it off.

Anne

[Patrick Boutilier]

On 11/25/2011 01:26 PM, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On 11/25/2011 03:08 PM, Rex Dieter wrote:
> > > > > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/kde/2011-November/010471.html
> > > > >
> > > > > How valid it is now I can't say as I now use F16/Kmail2
> > >
> > > The question remains - is it possible to use kdepim with F16, using fedora
> > > packages?
> >
> > I've been told other distros tried, and that there are other various
> > incompatibilities and problems, but we can give it a shot too.
> >
> > (I'll see about whipping up some kdepim-4.4.x packaging, if possible, over
> > the next few days).
>
> It's reported that OpenSUSE have managed it - there may be some mileage
> in talking to their packagers.  I'm all for saving unnecessary work.
>
> Sorry, Thunderbird seems to have slipped into html mode again, and I'm
> struggling to find where to turn it off.

Edit -> Account Settings -> Composition & Addressing
> Anne
>
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[Anne Wilson]

On 11/25/2011 05:54 PM, Patrick Boutilier wrote:
> > Sorry, Thunderbird seems to have slipped into html mode again, and I'm
> > struggling to find where to turn it off.
>
> Edit -> Account Settings -> Composition & Addressing

I seem to be getting very confused.  Yes, I found that, and I'm fairly
confident that I've fixed it.  What confused me is that I'm sure I was
told last month that the setting is changed on the compose page, and
Thunderbird remembers what you last set it to.  Perhaps it's a matter of
different versions?  I don't know, but I apologise for the unwanted html.

Anne

[Markus Slopianka]

On Freitag 25 November 2011 18:26:19 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > (I'll see about whipping up some kdepim-4.4.x packaging, if possible,
> > over the next few days).
>
> It's reported that OpenSUSE have managed it - there may be some mileage
> in talking to their packagers.  I'm all for saving unnecessary work.

https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=kdepim4&project=home%3Ap...
Those are no official packages but they work just fine. The Fedora build target has some 
"unresolvable" dependencies, though.

[Eli Wapniarski]

Thanks Rex... I appreciate the effort.

Eli

On Friday 25 November 2011 09:08:22 Rex Dieter wrote:
> > > > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/kde/2011-November/010471.ht
> > > > ml
> > > >
> > > > How valid it is now I can't say as I now use F16/Kmail2
> >
> > The question remains - is it possible to use kdepim with F16, using
> > fedora packages?
>
> I've been told other distros tried, and that there are other various
> incompatibilities and problems, but we can give it a shot too.
>
> (I'll see about whipping up some kdepim-4.4.x packaging, if possible, over
> the next few days).
>
> -- rex
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> kde mailing list
> [e-mail]
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kde
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[Rex Dieter]

Rex Dieter wrote:
> > > > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/kde/2011-November/010471.html
> > > >
> > > > How valid it is now I can't say as I now use F16/Kmail2
> >
> > The question remains - is it possible to use kdepim with F16, using
> > fedora packages?
>
> I've been told other distros tried, and that there are other various
> incompatibilities and problems, but we can give it a shot too.
>
> (I'll see about whipping up some kdepim-4.4.x packaging, if possible, over
> the next few days).

OK, pushed some kdepim-4.4.x kdepim-runtime-4.4.x packages to kde-testing 
repo.  Not sure of the yum magic required to install/downgrade to it yet, 
something like:

yum downgrade \
  kdepim-4.4.11.1 kdepim-libs-4.4.11.1 \
  kdepim-runtime-4.4.11.1 kdepim-runtime-libs-4.4.11.1

seems to do the trick for me.  Then, you'd probably want to put  in
exclude=kdepim kdepim-libs kdepim-runtime kdepim-runtime-libs
in various other places to avoid pulling in any kde-4.7.x updates.

-- rex

[Eli Wapniarski]

Worked like a charm Rex. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Eli

On Friday 25 November 2011 21:10:26 Rex Dieter wrote:
> Rex Dieter wrote:
> > > > > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/kde/2011-November/010471.html
> > > > >
> > > > > How valid it is now I can't say as I now use F16/Kmail2
> > >
> > > The question remains - is it possible to use kdepim with F16, using
> > > fedora packages?
> >
> > I've been told other distros tried, and that there are other various
> > incompatibilities and problems, but we can give it a shot too.
> >
> > (I'll see about whipping up some kdepim-4.4.x packaging, if possible,
> > over the next few days).
>
> OK, pushed some kdepim-4.4.x kdepim-runtime-4.4.x packages to kde-testing
> repo.  Not sure of the yum magic required to install/downgrade to it yet,
> something like:
>
> yum downgrade \
>   kdepim-4.4.11.1 kdepim-libs-4.4.11.1 \
>   kdepim-runtime-4.4.11.1 kdepim-runtime-libs-4.4.11.1
>
> seems to do the trick for me.  Then, you'd probably want to put  in
> exclude=kdepim kdepim-libs kdepim-runtime kdepim-runtime-libs
> in various other places to avoid pulling in any kde-4.7.x updates.
>
> -- rex
>
> kde mailing list
> [e-mail]
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kde
> New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org

[Eli Wapniarski]

One last question.... I've forgotten howto to include only specific packages 
in a *.repo file in yum.  Howto???

Thanks

Eli

On Friday 25 November 2011 21:10:26 Rex Dieter wrote:
> Rex Dieter wrote:
> > > > > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/kde/2011-November/010471.html
> > > > >
> > > > > How valid it is now I can't say as I now use F16/Kmail2
> > >
> > > The question remains - is it possible to use kdepim with F16, using
> > > fedora packages?
> >
> > I've been told other distros tried, and that there are other various
> > incompatibilities and problems, but we can give it a shot too.
> >
> > (I'll see about whipping up some kdepim-4.4.x packaging, if possible,
> > over the next few days).
>
> OK, pushed some kdepim-4.4.x kdepim-runtime-4.4.x packages to kde-testing
> repo.  Not sure of the yum magic required to install/downgrade to it yet,
> something like:
>
> yum downgrade \
>   kdepim-4.4.11.1 kdepim-libs-4.4.11.1 \
>   kdepim-runtime-4.4.11.1 kdepim-runtime-libs-4.4.11.1
>
> seems to do the trick for me.  Then, you'd probably want to put  in
> exclude=kdepim kdepim-libs kdepim-runtime kdepim-runtime-libs
> in various other places to avoid pulling in any kde-4.7.x updates.
>
> -- rex
>
> kde mailing list
> [e-mail]
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kde
> New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org

[Patrick Boutilier]

On 11/25/2011 04:32 PM, Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> One last question.... I've forgotten howto to include only specific packages
> in a *.repo file in yum.  Howto???

Not tested but includepkgs should work.

From man yum.conf

includepkgs  Inverse  of exclude. This is a list of packages you want to 
use from a repository. If this option lists only one package then that 
is all yum will ever see from the repository. Defaults to an empty list. 
  Substitution variables, described below, are hon‐ored here.
> Thanks
>
> Eli
>
> On Friday 25 November 2011 21:10:26 Rex Dieter wrote:
> > Rex Dieter wrote:
> > > > > > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/kde/2011-November/010471.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How valid it is now I can't say as I now use F16/Kmail2
> > > >
> > > > The question remains - is it possible to use kdepim with F16, using
> > > > fedora packages?
> > >
> > > I've been told other distros tried, and that there are other various
> > > incompatibilities and problems, but we can give it a shot too.
> > >
> > > (I'll see about whipping up some kdepim-4.4.x packaging, if possible,
> > > over the next few days).
> >
> > OK, pushed some kdepim-4.4.x kdepim-runtime-4.4.x packages to kde-testing
> > repo.  Not sure of the yum magic required to install/downgrade to it yet,
> > something like:
> >
> > yum downgrade \
> >    kdepim-4.4.11.1 kdepim-libs-4.4.11.1 \
> >    kdepim-runtime-4.4.11.1 kdepim-runtime-libs-4.4.11.1
> >
> > seems to do the trick for me.  Then, you'd probably want to put  in
> > exclude=kdepim kdepim-libs kdepim-runtime kdepim-runtime-libs
> > in various other places to avoid pulling in any kde-4.7.x updates.
> >
> > -- rex
> >
> > kde mailing list
> > [e-mail]
> > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kde
> > New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org

[Eli Wapniarski]

On Friday 25 November 2011 22:37:47 Patrick Boutilier wrote:
> On 11/25/2011 04:32 PM, Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > One last question.... I've forgotten howto to include only specific
> > packages in a *.repo file in yum.  Howto???
>
> Not tested but includepkgs should work.

Worked like a charm. Thanks Patrick

Eli

[Eli Wapniarski]

On Friday 25 November 2011 21:10:26 Rex Dieter wrote:
> Rex Dieter wrote:
> > (I'll see about whipping up some kdepim-4.4.x packaging, if possible,
> > over the next few days).
>
> OK, pushed some kdepim-4.4.x kdepim-runtime-4.4.x packages to kde-testing
> repo.  Not sure of the yum magic required to install/downgrade to it yet,
> something like:
>
> yum downgrade \
>   kdepim-4.4.11.1 kdepim-libs-4.4.11.1 \
>   kdepim-runtime-4.4.11.1 kdepim-runtime-libs-4.4.11.1
>
> seems to do the trick for me.  Then, you'd probably want to put  in
> exclude=kdepim kdepim-libs kdepim-runtime kdepim-runtime-libs
> in various other places to avoid pulling in any kde-4.7.x updates.
>
> -- rex

After the downgrade I receive an awful lot of diaglog boxes with the following  
messages. The error occurs wheather I have filter or I have them completely 
deleted from my filters. Any idea what this might be?

Eli

Error while uploading message
Could not upload the message dated Today 16:28:03 from "senders email address" 
with subject "subject of the email" to the server.
The destination folder was: "folder that the email was destined for".
The server reported:
Missing required argument to Append command

[John Aldrich]

On Fri November 25 2011 1:10:26 PM Rex Dieter wrote:
> OK, pushed some kdepim-4.4.x kdepim-runtime-4.4.x packages to kde-testing
> repo.  Not sure of the yum magic required to install/downgrade to it yet,
> something like:
>
> yum downgrade \
>   kdepim-4.4.11.1 kdepim-libs-4.4.11.1 \
>   kdepim-runtime-4.4.11.1 kdepim-runtime-libs-4.4.11.1
>
> seems to do the trick for me.  Then, you'd probably want to put  in
> exclude=kdepim kdepim-libs kdepim-runtime kdepim-runtime-libs
> in various other places to avoid pulling in any kde-4.7.x updates.

Ok. I tried just doing a "yum downgrade" for KDEPIM and KDEPIM-LIBS and that 
didn't work for me. It was buggy as hell and I don't think it gave me the same 
version of KMail as I had on Fedora 15. I am seriously thinking about 
downgrading my whole install as F16 seems buggy as hell!

[David]

On 11/26/2011 4:03 PM, John Aldrich wrote:
> On Fri November 25 2011 1:10:26 PM Rex Dieter wrote:
> > OK, pushed some kdepim-4.4.x kdepim-runtime-4.4.x packages to kde-testing
> > repo.  Not sure of the yum magic required to install/downgrade to it yet,
> > something like:
> >
> > yum downgrade \
> >   kdepim-4.4.11.1 kdepim-libs-4.4.11.1 \
> >   kdepim-runtime-4.4.11.1 kdepim-runtime-libs-4.4.11.1
> >
> > seems to do the trick for me.  Then, you'd probably want to put  in
> > exclude=kdepim kdepim-libs kdepim-runtime kdepim-runtime-libs
> > in various other places to avoid pulling in any kde-4.7.x updates.
>
> Ok. I tried just doing a "yum downgrade" for KDEPIM and KDEPIM-LIBS and that 
> didn't work for me. It was buggy as hell and I don't think it gave me the same 
> version of KMail as I had on Fedora 15. I am seriously thinking about 
> downgrading my whole install as F16 seems buggy as hell!

"F16 seems buggy as hell!"? Do you *really* mean Fedora 16? Or the KDE
*that comes with* Fedora 16? There is a difference?  :-)

[John Aldrich]

On Sun November 27 2011 10:41:59 AM David wrote:
> > Ok. I tried just doing a "yum downgrade" for KDEPIM and KDEPIM-LIBS and
> > that didn't work for me. It was buggy as hell and I don't think it gave
> > me the same version of KMail as I had on Fedora 15. I am seriously
> > thinking about downgrading my whole install as F16 seems buggy as hell!
>
> "F16 seems buggy as hell!"? Do you *really* mean Fedora 16? Or the KDE
> *that comes with* Fedora 16? There is a difference?  :-)

Both, actually. I'm having problems with my screen resolution -- it won't go 
beyond 1024x768, when under Fedora 15, it was 1280x1024 on the same exact 
hardware, XFCE is screwed up - if I open a console window, it sticks itself in 
the upper-left corner, although I did have that problem under F15 as well. Not 
to mention KMail 2 has some serious differences in the way it's set up from the 
"old" KMail.

So, yeah... Fedora 16 is messed up, IMNSHO.

[David]

On 11/27/2011 8:37 PM, John Aldrich wrote:
> On Sun November 27 2011 10:41:59 AM David wrote:
> > > Ok. I tried just doing a "yum downgrade" for KDEPIM and KDEPIM-LIBS and
> > > that didn't work for me. It was buggy as hell and I don't think it gave
> > > me the same version of KMail as I had on Fedora 15. I am seriously
> > > thinking about downgrading my whole install as F16 seems buggy as hell!
> >
> > "F16 seems buggy as hell!"? Do you *really* mean Fedora 16? Or the KDE
> > *that comes with* Fedora 16? There is a difference?  :-)
>
> Both, actually. I'm having problems with my screen resolution -- it won't go 
> beyond 1024x768, when under Fedora 15, it was 1280x1024 on the same exact 
> hardware, XFCE is screwed up - if I open a console window, it sticks itself in 
> the upper-left corner, although I did have that problem under F15 as well. Not 
> to mention KMail 2 has some serious differences in the way it's set up from the 
> "old" KMail.
>
> So, yeah... Fedora 16 is messed up, IMNSHO.

I can't help you with this but it might help if you created a xorg.conf
and set the video resolution.

I *can* however help you with the terminal window position.

Install    xwininfo  if it is not already installed. Open a terminal and
drag it to where you want it to open. Run   xwininfo   as 'you' and
click on the terminal when prompted.  Put the line that starts with
'geometry' in the terminal configuration file in your home directory.
There is also a true or false line in there for a 'blinking' cursor.

[Timothy Murphy]

John Aldrich wrote:
> I am seriously thinking
> about downgrading my whole install as F16 seems buggy as hell!

What are these bugs?
The only serious problems I have had with Fedora-16/KDE
are to do with KMail2, and I've got over or around most of these.

I don't think KMail2 was ready for the real world,
and was rushed out just to get it into the new Fedora distribution.
I hope there will be a little more care next time round.

[José Abílio Matos]

On 11/27/2011 06:16 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> I don't think KMail2 was ready for the real world,
> and was rushed out just to get it into the new Fedora distribution.
> I hope there will be a little more care next time round.

??? :-)
KMail 2 was included in kde (software compilation?) 4.7

So the only option to not have included would have been to stay with 4.6
until kmail2 is ready.

That the kmail2 has been a disappointment upstream that is another issue
but that is unrelated with Fedora kde team. I have changed from kmail2
to thunderbird because it does not send email from one of my major
accounts so I can understand your frustration or at least I am
frustrated with the transition that has been delayed since the 4.0
release (IMHO a text book case of how not to develop software :-( ).

Just my 2 ¢ (Euro cents) for this thread.

[Eli Wapniarski]

Quoting Rex Dieter :
> Rex Dieter wrote:
> > > > > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/kde/2011-November/010471.html
> > > > >
> > > > > How valid it is now I can't say as I now use F16/Kmail2
> > >
> > > The question remains - is it possible to use kdepim with F16, using
> > > fedora packages?
> >
> > I've been told other distros tried, and that there are other various
> > incompatibilities and problems, but we can give it a shot too.
> >
> > (I'll see about whipping up some kdepim-4.4.x packaging, if possible, over
> > the next few days).
>
> OK, pushed some kdepim-4.4.x kdepim-runtime-4.4.x packages to kde-testing
> repo.  Not sure of the yum magic required to install/downgrade to it yet,
> something like:

As warned..... There are problems. At least for me.... filters do not  
work correctly. And as far as I understand 4.4.x is no longer being  
maintained. :(

Sigh....

Eli

[Anne Wilson]

On 11/27/2011 02:31 PM, Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> Quoting Rex Dieter :
> > Rex Dieter wrote:
> > > > > > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/kde/2011-November/010471.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How valid it is now I can't say as I now use F16/Kmail2
> > > >
> > > > The question remains - is it possible to use kdepim with F16, using
> > > > fedora packages?
> > >
> > > I've been told other distros tried, and that there are other various
> > > incompatibilities and problems, but we can give it a shot too.
> > >
> > > (I'll see about whipping up some kdepim-4.4.x packaging, if possible, over
> > > the next few days).
> >
> > OK, pushed some kdepim-4.4.x kdepim-runtime-4.4.x packages to kde-testing
> > repo.  Not sure of the yum magic required to install/downgrade to it yet,
> > something like:
>
> As warned..... There are problems. At least for me.... filters do not  
> work correctly. And as far as I understand 4.4.x is no longer being  
> maintained. :(

http://userbase.kde.org/KMail/FAQs_Hints_and_Tips#Clean_start_after_a_failed...
- step 5 in particular - may be relevant.

Anne

[Lukas Middendorf]

On Friday 25 November 2011 20:10:26 Rex Dieter wrote:
> OK, pushed some kdepim-4.4.x kdepim-runtime-4.4.x packages to kde-testing
> repo.  Not sure of the yum magic required to install/downgrade to it yet,
> something like:
>
> yum downgrade \
>   kdepim-4.4.11.1 kdepim-libs-4.4.11.1 \
>   kdepim-runtime-4.4.11.1 kdepim-runtime-libs-4.4.11.1
>
> seems to do the trick for me.

Are these packages for F16 still available somewhere?

[Rex Dieter]

Lukas Middendorf wrote:
> On Friday 25 November 2011 20:10:26 Rex Dieter wrote:
> > OK, pushed some kdepim-4.4.x kdepim-runtime-4.4.x packages to kde-testing
> > repo.  Not sure of the yum magic required to install/downgrade to it yet,
> > something like:
> >
> > yum downgrade \
> >   kdepim-4.4.11.1 kdepim-libs-4.4.11.1 \
> >   kdepim-runtime-4.4.11.1 kdepim-runtime-libs-4.4.11.1
> >
> > seems to do the trick for me.
>
> Are these packages for F16 still available somewhere?

Oh rats, looks like I may have inadvertantly deleted these from the kde 
repo.  I'll get to work rebuilding them.

-- rex

[Rex Dieter]

Rex Dieter wrote:
> Lukas Middendorf wrote:
> > On Friday 25 November 2011 20:10:26 Rex Dieter wrote:
> > > OK, pushed some kdepim-4.4.x kdepim-runtime-4.4.x packages to
> > > kde-testing
> > > repo.  Not sure of the yum magic required to install/downgrade to it
> > > yet, something like:
> > >
> > > yum downgrade \
> > >   kdepim-4.4.11.1 kdepim-libs-4.4.11.1 \
> > >   kdepim-runtime-4.4.11.1 kdepim-runtime-libs-4.4.11.1
> > >
> > > seems to do the trick for me.
> >
> > Are these packages for F16 still available somewhere?
>
> Oh rats, looks like I may have inadvertantly deleted these from the kde
> repo.  I'll get to work rebuilding them.

OK, kdepim-4.4.11.1 and kdepim-runtime-4.4.11.1 builds restored to f16/kde 
(stable) repo.

-- rex