Ian Pilcher wrote:
I find myself wondering if other people are really using Plasma 5 as a "daily driver"...
It's a totally different world where I live :-) I've been using Plasma 5 since the beta was released. Excellent experience!
When the beta was first released, I noticed that there was something curious about the virtual terminals, but that appears to be long gone. It might just be that I am using GDM, which is on Wayland, so it has claimed vt1. In any case, all works fine.
I haven't yet plugged in my television, so I don't know about having 2 displays yet. I really need to give that a try. Perhaps tonight, since I rented a DVD from the library ;-)
Konsole size? Is it that much of a problem to size it? ;-) I haven't given this a try, so I don't know whether my system(s) is/are affected.
What used to be the ugly cashew is now known as the Desktop Toolbox. I think it is entirely redundant, since all of the commands it offers are accessible on the right mouse button menu item Desktop Settings. You can enable/disable the Desktop Toolbox on the Tweaks page. I have always hated that thing, since it disrupts the symmetry and aesthetics of the clean desktop.
CapsLock is permanently disabled here. I have mapped Compose to that key, which is useful to me. CapsLock just caused me problems, getting hit by accident with my thick fingers ;-)
I don't mean to discredit your/others' experience(s), but it seems to me that a lot of people are nitpicking about a lot of insignificant stuff. Oops! Did I say that? :-O I guess if it's important to you ;-) but I think we need to keep in mind that it's a work in progress and the required functionality is all there. I've never been a big fan of all the widgets anyway, just a lot of clutter on the desktop and in the system try. I guess for some of you it is important ;-)
On 2015-11-09 15:02, Glenn Holmer wrote:
On 11/09/2015 02:00 PM, P. Gueckel wrote:
Konsole size? Is it that much of a problem to size it?
Yes.
Oddly, I agree completely. When you open and close the konsole (or any other program for that matter) a dozen times a day and every time you open it you have to size it to the size you like, it gets annoying.
It's like a leaky faucet continually dropping. It's not so bad at first, but it gets on you after a while!
On 11/09/2015 10:28 PM, Nathan England wrote:
On 2015-11-09 15:02, Glenn Holmer wrote:
On 11/09/2015 02:00 PM, P. Gueckel wrote:
Konsole size? Is it that much of a problem to size it?
Yes.
Oddly, I agree completely. When you open and close the konsole (or any other program for that matter) a dozen times a day and every time you open it you have to size it to the size you like, it gets annoying.
It's like a leaky faucet continually dropping. It's not so bad at first, but it gets on you after a while!
Developers: where's the best place to file a bug on this?
(see https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/kde/2015-October/016226.html)
Glenn Holmer wrote:
On 11/09/2015 10:28 PM, Nathan England wrote:
On 2015-11-09 15:02, Glenn Holmer wrote:
On 11/09/2015 02:00 PM, P. Gueckel wrote:
Konsole size? Is it that much of a problem to size it?
Yes.
Oddly, I agree completely. When you open and close the konsole (or any other program for that matter) a dozen times a day and every time you open it you have to size it to the size you like, it gets annoying.
It's like a leaky faucet continually dropping. It's not so bad at first, but it gets on you after a while!
Developers: where's the best place to file a bug on this?
(see https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/kde/2015-October/016226.html)
A bug already exists.
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=345403
-- Rex
On 11/10/2015 01:30 AM, P. Gueckel wrote:
Ian Pilcher wrote:
I find myself wondering if other people are really using Plasma 5 as a "daily driver"...
It's a totally different world where I live :-) I've been using Plasma 5 since the beta was released. Excellent experience!
I had pretty much the same story to tell for Fedora 22. Apart from occasional crashes on exit, plasma was working fine for me.
Then I installed Fedora 23 - not an upgrade, but a clean install from the KDE live DVD, formatting over the existing partitions. And KDE was unusable. It was not unusable because of some missing feature, but it would hang whenever I clicked on a partition in places panel in Dolphin, if I started Firefox, or sometimes for no apparent reason. 100% reproducible.
Doing any of the above things would make the desktop hang (first the mouse movement gets affected then everything freezes). Switching to another VT (by Ctrl+Alt+Fx) doesn't work and the only way out was a hard reboot.
I believe its a problem with NVidia, but I am unable to see why nouveau should have a problem. NVidia binary drivers reportedly does not support the pre-release version of Xorg server (v1.18) that is shipped with Fedora 23. But how come nouveau doesn't work?
I installed LXQt, but there also, starting any KDE application or LibreOffice caused the same issues.
The only way out was to downgrade Xorg to 1.17 and then install nvidia binary drivers from RPMFusion (perhaps nouveau would've worked too, but I'm not sure).
Anyway, the bottom line is that KDE Fedora 23 spin was unusable out of the box. This was the first time I cursed KDE. Not even during KDE 4.0 things were this bad.
PS: While composing this email, I did 'dnf list installed "*xorg*"' and it didn't list the expected packages. It seems the 'exclude' set is honoured for even listing the installed files.
Syam