ksnapshot slightly broken in Plasma 5.9.3?

[Ed Greshko]

I've updated 2 systems to Plasma 5.9.3 and ksnapshot seems slightly broken.

I could not get a snapshot of "Window Under Cursor" no matter what I did
I got Full Screen.  In the case of one system with dual monitors I got
both screens.  I changed Window Behavior to "Click to focus" just in
case.  That made no difference.

I tried this on a VM that had not been updated and it works as
expected.  So, I think the Plasma update is causing this.

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[Luigi Toscano]

Ed Greshko ha scritto:
>  I've updated 2 systems to Plasma 5.9.3 and ksnapshot seems
> slightly broken.
>  
>  I could not get a snapshot of "Window Under Cursor" no matter what I did
>  I got Full Screen.  In the case of one system with dual monitors I got
>  both screens.  I changed Window Behavior to "Click to focus" just in
>  case.  That made no difference.
>  
>  I tried this on a VM that had not been updated and it works as
>  expected.  So, I think the Plasma update is causing this. 
ksnapshot is unmaintained. Please switch to spectacle, which should be the
default already (it has been for a while upstream as part of KDE Applications).

-- 
Luigi

[Ed Greshko]

On 03/04/17 21:37, Luigi Toscano wrote:
>  ksnapshot is unmaintained. Please switch to spectacle, which should
> be the
>  default already (it has been for a while upstream as part of KDE Applications). 

OK, I'll switch to that.  I guess one doesn't notice these things when
upgrading from previous versions and it just keeps the "old" stuff.


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[Gerald B. Cox]

On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 5:42 AM, Ed Greshko <ed.greshko(a)greshko.com&gt; wrote:

>  OK, I'll switch to that.  I guess one doesn't notice these things when
>  upgrading from previous versions and it just keeps the "old" stuff.
>  

Yeah, I wasn't aware about that either... the information was out there, I
just missed it also.  Now I'm reading up to see what else I missed.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/kde-applications-15-12-launches-for-kde-pl...

[Kevin Kofler]

Ed Greshko wrote:
>  OK, I'll switch to that.  I guess one doesn't notice these
> things when
>  upgrading from previous versions and it just keeps the "old" stuff. 
Spectacle will obsolete KSnapshot in Fedora 26 and higher.

        Kevin Kofler

[Reindl Harald]

Am 04.03.2017 um 19:09 schrieb Kevin Kofler:
>  Ed Greshko wrote:
> > OK, I'll switch to that.  I guess one doesn't notice these things when
> > upgrading from previous versions and it just keeps the "old" stuff.
>
>  Spectacle will obsolete KSnapshot in Fedora 26 and higher 
oh yeah instead maintain / replace a for many years known application 
with a clear name introduce a new application with a idiotic (because 
pointsless) name - we really live in a great decade

[Gerald B. Cox]

On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl(a)thelounge.net&gt;
wrote:

>  oh yeah instead maintain / replace a for many years known application
> with
>  a clear name introduce a new application with a idiotic (because
>  pointsless) name - we really live in a great decade
>  
Yeah Harald, that crossed my mind also - but my guess is that someone else
developed the "Spectacle" application and either didn't like the
"KSnapshot" name or wasn't allowed to use it.  Contrast that with Google
who can't seem to settle for a name:  e.g. Google Talk, Hangouts,
Messenger, Allo, Duo, Android Messages.

[Reindl Harald]

Am 04.03.2017 um 21:34 schrieb Gerald B. Cox:
>  On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl(a)thelounge.net
>  <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>
>      oh yeah instead maintain / replace a for many years known
>      application with a clear name introduce a new application with a
>      idiotic (because pointsless) name - we really live in a great decade
>
>
>  Yeah Harald, that crossed my mind also - but my guess is that someone
>  else developed the "Spectacle" application and either didn't like the
>  "KSnapshot" name or wasn't allowed to use it.  Contrast that with Google
>  who can't seem to settle for a name:  e.g. Google Talk, Hangouts,
>  Messenger, Allo, Duo, Android Messages 
projects like KDE *really* should introduce rules that shitty 
application names which don't give anybody a clue about what the 
applications is supposed to do are prohibited, especially when consider 
ot replace knowen and logical named ones

[Gerald B. Cox]

On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 12:37 PM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl(a)thelounge.net&gt;
wrote:

> >
> > Yeah Harald, that crossed my mind also - but my guess is that someone
> > else developed the "Spectacle" application and either didn't like the
> > "KSnapshot" name or wasn't allowed to use it.  Contrast that with
> Google
> > who can't seem to settle for a name:  e.g. Google Talk, Hangouts,
> > Messenger, Allo, Duo, Android Messages
> >
>
>  projects like KDE *really* should introduce rules that shitty application
>  names which don't give anybody a clue about what the applications is
>  supposed to do are prohibited, especially when consider ot replace knowen
>  and logical named ones 


I understand your point - but many of the good names are probably already
taken for something.  Remember the issues Firefox had... first it was
Phoenix, then it was Firebird, then it was Firefox - which was sufficiently
obscure.  Probably one of the last thing the KDE team wants to deal with is
a copyright infringement claim.

[Reindl Harald]

Am 04.03.2017 um 21:44 schrieb Gerald B. Cox:
>  On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 12:37 PM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl(a)thelounge.net
>  <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>
>
>
>          Yeah Harald, that crossed my mind also - but my guess is that
>          someone
>          else developed the "Spectacle" application and either didn't
>          like the
>          "KSnapshot" name or wasn't allowed to use it.  Contrast that
>          with Google
>          who can't seem to settle for a name:  e.g. Google Talk, Hangouts,
>          Messenger, Allo, Duo, Android Messages
>
>      projects like KDE *really* should introduce rules that shitty
>      application names which don't give anybody a clue about what the
>      applications is supposed to do are prohibited, especially when
>      consider ot replace knowen and logical named ones
>
>  I understand your point - but many of the good names are probably
>  already taken for something.  Remember the issues Firefox had... first
>  it was Phoenix, then it was Firebird, then it was Firefox - which was
>  sufficiently obscure.  Probably one of the last thing the KDE team wants
>  to deal with is a copyright infringement claim 
Phoenix, Firebird and Firefox are bad examples
none of them gives a hint what type of application it is

the same for "Spectacle"

well, what, kSnapshot was not possible
so simply name it "kScreenshot" and set Provides/Obsoletes

kSnapshot, kdesvn, Kompare are good examples
the "K" indicates it is a KDE or at least QT application
it clearly states what the software is supposed to do

you really need to sell me "Spectacle" if i don't know it already...

[Luigi Toscano]

Reindl Harald ha scritto:
>  
>  
>  Am 04.03.2017 um 21:34 schrieb Gerald B. Cox:
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl(a)thelounge.net
> > <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
> >
> >     oh yeah instead maintain / replace a for many years known
> >     application with a clear name introduce a new application with a
> >     idiotic (because pointsless) name - we really live in a great decade
> >
> >
> > Yeah Harald, that crossed my mind also - but my guess is that someone
> > else developed the "Spectacle" application and either didn't like the
> > "KSnapshot" name or wasn't allowed to use it.  Contrast that with
> Google
> > who can't seem to settle for a name:  e.g. Google Talk, Hangouts,
> > Messenger, Allo, Duo, Android Messages
>  
>  projects like KDE *really* should introduce rules that shitty application
>  names which don't give anybody a clue about what the applications is supposed
>  to do are prohibited, especially when consider ot replace knowen and logical
>  named ones 
You don't need to know the name of an application which pop ups when you press
"Print".

No need to think about strange reasons. You can follow the story, which was
open and publicly discussed. This is the start of the Spectacle (KScreenGenie,
initially) and the reason to write a new program (which uses relevant parts of
the old code).
https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-community/2015q2/001374.html

This is the discussion about the renaming:
https://marc.info/?l=kde-core-devel&m=144025072413294&w=2

Apart from this, please don't use  "shitty" and "idiotic" anymore
here, even
if referred to a name. This is just an opinion and it may likely not be
generally shared.

-- 
Luigi

[Gerald B. Cox]

On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 12:50 PM, Luigi Toscano <luigi.toscano(a)tiscali.it&gt;
wrote:

>  This is the discussion about the renaming:
>  https://marc.info/?l=kde-core-devel&m=144025072413294&w=2
>  

Is there more to this discussion?  All I see is the developer of
KScreenGenie wanting to rename the app to KSnapshot and a response telling
him
to obtain permission.

[Luigi Toscano]

Gerald B. Cox ha scritto:
>  
>  On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 12:50 PM, Luigi Toscano <luigi.toscano(a)tiscali.it
>  <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>  
>      This is the discussion about the renaming:
>      https://marc.info/?l=kde-core-devel&m=144025072413294&w=2
>      <https://marc.info/?l=kde-core-devel&m=144025072413294&w=2>
>  
>  
>  
>  Is there more to this discussion?  All I see is the developer of KScreenGenie
>  wanting to rename the app to KSnapshot and a response telling him
>  to obtain permission.  
Uh, sorry, I wanted to link the previous part:
https://marc.info/?l=kde-core-devel&m=143558773311876&w=2

Then:
https://marc.info/?t=144249220900001&r=1&w=2
https://marc.info/?l=kde-core-devel&m=144308953809709&w=2

There may have been other discussions on IRC but I don't remember them and I
can't check right now.

-- 
Luigi

[Gerald B. Cox]

On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 1:21 PM, Luigi Toscano <luigi.toscano(a)tiscali.it&gt;
wrote:

>  Uh, sorry, I wanted to link the previous part:
>  https://marc.info/?l=kde-core-devel&m=143558773311876&w=2
>
>  Then:
>  https://marc.info/?t=144249220900001&r=1&w=2
>  https://marc.info/?l=kde-core-devel&m=144308953809709&w=2
>
>  There may have been other discussions on IRC but I don't remember them and
>  I
>  can't check right now.
>  

Thanks.  I personally don't care what it is called - but it probably would
have been best to keep the ksnapshot name if possible.

I notice the change from kscreengenie to kapture - but there doesn't seem
to be any discussion on that decision; then
all of a sudden the spectacle name just appears.  The threads don't seem to
explain that.  The thread shows that there was a desire to
appropriate the ksnapshot name by the developer, he was told to get
permission... then the kapture name appears, followed
by spectacle.

Which goes back to my assumption that he wasn't able to use that name for
some reason and then had to pick a name which wasn't already used.  No real
surprise there - but the supplied threads don't clearly show the decision
making progress.

[Luigi Toscano]

Gerald B. Cox ha scritto:
>  
>  On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 1:21 PM, Luigi Toscano <luigi.toscano(a)tiscali.it
>  <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>  
>      Uh, sorry, I wanted to link the previous part:
>      https://marc.info/?l=kde-core-devel&m=143558773311876&w=2
>      <https://marc.info/?l=kde-core-devel&m=143558773311876&w=2>
>  
>      Then:
>      https://marc.info/?t=144249220900001&r=1&w=2
>      <https://marc.info/?t=144249220900001&r=1&w=2>
>      https://marc.info/?l=kde-core-devel&m=144308953809709&w=2
>      <https://marc.info/?l=kde-core-devel&m=144308953809709&w=2>
>  
>      There may have been other discussions on IRC but I don't remember them and I
>      can't check right now.
>  
>  
>  
>  Thanks.  I personally don't care what it is called - but it probably would
>  have been best to keep the ksnapshot name if possible.
>  
>  I notice the change from kscreengenie to kapture - but there doesn't seem to
>  be any discussion on that decision; then
>  all of a sudden the spectacle name just appears.  The threads don't seem to
>  explain that.  The thread shows that there was a desire to
>  appropriate the ksnapshot name by the developer, he was told to get
>  permission... then the kapture name appears, followed
>  by spectacle. 
>  
>  Which goes back to my assumption that he wasn't able to use that name for some
>  reason and then had to pick a name which wasn't already used.  No real
>  surprise there - but the supplied threads don't clearly show the decision
>  making progress. 
Found the big thread:


https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-community/2015q3/001581.html


-- 
Luigi

[Gerald B. Cox]

On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 1:46 PM, Luigi Toscano <luigi.toscano(a)tiscali.it&gt;
wrote:

>  > Which goes back to my assumption that he wasn't able to use
> that name
>  for some
>  > reason and then had to pick a name which wasn't already used.  No real
>  > surprise there - but the supplied threads don't clearly show the decision
>  > making progress.
>
>  Found the big thread:
>
>
>  https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-community/2015q3/001581.html 


Thanks for taking the time to find that.  Also explains the move away from
the "K" prefix.

Harald, it could have been worse... pixie, selfie?  ROFL... but some folks
liked those... it's
all personal preference - hard to get everyone to agree.

Seriously though, as I mentioned above, I totally understand how difficult
it can be to
come up with a name that hasn't already been taken - and considering the
floundering
major corporations have gone through... ahem Google... this is nothing...

[Giuliano Colla]

Il 04/03/2017 22:46, Luigi Toscano ha scritto:
>  Found the big thread:
>
>
>  https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-community/2015q3/001581.html
>  
This shows that the old joke "what is a camel? a horse designed by a 
commission", can be rephrased as

"what is a camel? a horse designed by a discussion list".

Giuliano

[Reindl Harald]

Am 04.03.2017 um 21:50 schrieb Luigi Toscano:
>  Reindl Harald ha scritto:
> >
> >
> > Am 04.03.2017 um 21:34 schrieb Gerald B. Cox:
> >>
> >> On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl(a)thelounge.net
> >> <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
> >>
> >>     oh yeah instead maintain / replace a for many years known
> >>     application with a clear name introduce a new application with a
> >>     idiotic (because pointsless) name - we really live in a great decade
> >>
> >>
> >> Yeah Harald, that crossed my mind also - but my guess is that someone
> >> else developed the "Spectacle" application and either didn't like
> the
> >> "KSnapshot" name or wasn't allowed to use it.  Contrast that with
> Google
> >> who can't seem to settle for a name:  e.g. Google Talk, Hangouts,
> >> Messenger, Allo, Duo, Android Messages
> >
> > projects like KDE *really* should introduce rules that shitty application
> > names which don't give anybody a clue about what the applications is supposed
> > to do are prohibited, especially when consider ot replace knowen and logical
> > named ones
>
>  You don't need to know the name of an application which pop ups when you press
>  "Print". 
but i need to know it when i have to fix existing setups whre "print" 
after update don't work - there are people who don#t reinstall their 
machines and profiles for many years

>  No need to think about strange reasons. You can follow the story,
> which was
>  open and publicly discussed. This is the start of the Spectacle (KScreenGenie,
>  initially) and the reason to write a new program (which uses relevant parts of
>  the old code).
>  https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-community/2015q2/001374.html
>
>  This is the discussion about the renaming:
>  https://marc.info/?l=kde-core-devel&m=144025072413294&w=2 
KScreenGenie at least would not have been pointless

>  Apart from this, please don't use  "shitty" and
> "idiotic" anymore here, even
>  if referred to a name. This is just an opinion and it may likely not be
>  generally shared 
since it's an opionion it *does not need* to be shared because thats the 
nature of opinions and *no* i do not write a 500 lines large parapgraph 
when a simpel word clearly describes my opinion - otherwise i would have 
become a politican and not a IT guy

[Reindl Harald]

Am 04.03.2017 um 22:08 schrieb Reindl Harald:
>  Am 04.03.2017 um 21:50 schrieb Luigi Toscano:
> > Reindl Harald ha scritto:
> >>
> >>
> >> Am 04.03.2017 um 21:34 schrieb Gerald B. Cox:
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl(a)thelounge.net
> >>> <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>     oh yeah instead maintain / replace a for many years known
> >>>     application with a clear name introduce a new application with a
> >>>     idiotic (because pointsless) name - we really live in a great
> >>> decade
> >>>
> >>> Yeah Harald, that crossed my mind also - but my guess is that someone
> >>> else developed the "Spectacle" application and either didn't
> like the
> >>> "KSnapshot" name or wasn't allowed to use it.  Contrast that
> with
> >>> Google
> >>> who can't seem to settle for a name:  e.g. Google Talk, Hangouts,
> >>> Messenger, Allo, Duo, Android Messages
> >>
> >> projects like KDE *really* should introduce rules that shitty
> >> application
> >> names which don't give anybody a clue about what the applications is
> >> supposed
> >> to do are prohibited, especially when consider ot replace knowen and
> >> logical
> >> named ones
> >
> > You don't need to know the name of an application which pop ups when
> > you press
> > "Print".
>
>  but i need to know it when i have to fix existing setups whre "print"
>  after update don't work - there are people who don#t reinstall their
>  machines and profiles for many years 
oh and i need to know what packages are supposed to do when reported by 
"dnf leaves" as not required - i tend to cleanup my systems permanently, 
maybe one reaosn why my Fedora setup from 2011 still runs fine

> > No need to think about strange reasons. You can follow the
> story,
> > which was
> > open and publicly discussed. This is the start of the Spectacle
> > (KScreenGenie,
> > initially) and the reason to write a new program (which uses relevant
> > parts of
> > the old code).
> > https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-community/2015q2/001374.html
> >
> > This is the discussion about the renaming:
> > https://marc.info/?l=kde-core-devel&m=144025072413294&w=2 
https://marc.info/?l=kde-core-devel&m=144025072413294&w=2 has just a 
single follow-up post in the thread and that's it

if there are follow-up posts not replied corerctly somewhere in the 
internet i have 2 points:

* people not capable reply to a mail lack qualification for decisions
* your link is useless

[Luigi Toscano]

Reindl Harald ha scritto:
>  
>  
>  Am 04.03.2017 um 22:08 schrieb Reindl Harald:
> >
> >
> > Am 04.03.2017 um 21:50 schrieb Luigi Toscano:
> >> Reindl Harald ha scritto:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Am 04.03.2017 um 21:34 schrieb Gerald B. Cox:
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Reindl Harald
> <h.reindl(a)thelounge.net
> >>>> <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>     oh yeah instead maintain / replace a for many years known
> >>>>     application with a clear name introduce a new application with a
> >>>>     idiotic (because pointsless) name - we really live in a great
> >>>> decade
> >>>>
> >>>> Yeah Harald, that crossed my mind also - but my guess is that someone
> >>>> else developed the "Spectacle" application and either
> didn't like the
> >>>> "KSnapshot" name or wasn't allowed to use it.  Contrast
> that with
> >>>> Google
> >>>> who can't seem to settle for a name:  e.g. Google Talk, Hangouts,
> >>>> Messenger, Allo, Duo, Android Messages
> >>>
> >>> projects like KDE *really* should introduce rules that shitty
> >>> application
> >>> names which don't give anybody a clue about what the applications is
> >>> supposed
> >>> to do are prohibited, especially when consider ot replace knowen and
> >>> logical
> >>> named ones
> >>
> >> You don't need to know the name of an application which pop ups when
> >> you press
> >> "Print".
> >
> > but i need to know it when i have to fix existing setups whre "print"
> > after update don't work - there are people who don#t reinstall their
> > machines and profiles for many years
>  
>  oh and i need to know what packages are supposed to do when reported by "dnf
>  leaves" as not required - i tend to cleanup my systems permanently, maybe one
>  reaosn why my Fedora setup from 2011 still runs fine 
As pointed out, Spectacle will forcibly replace KSnasphot in F26. It should
have happened before, this is something to remember for the future, but
probably not so much are those kind of replacements are definitely not
frequent and this entire discussion is probably taking more energy than the
replacement itself.

>  
> >> No need to think about strange reasons. You can follow the story,
> >> which was
> >> open and publicly discussed. This is the start of the Spectacle
> >> (KScreenGenie,
> >> initially) and the reason to write a new program (which uses relevant
> >> parts of
> >> the old code).
> >> https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-community/2015q2/001374.html
> >>
> >> This is the discussion about the renaming:
> >> https://marc.info/?l=kde-core-devel&m=144025072413294&w=2
>  
>  https://marc.info/?l=kde-core-devel&m=144025072413294&w=2 has just a single
>  follow-up post in the thread and that's it
>  
>  if there are follow-up posts not replied corerctly somewhere in the internet i
>  have 2 points:
>  
>  * people not capable reply to a mail lack qualification for decisions
>  * your link is useless 
See my answer to the other email by Gerald (wrong copy-paste).

-- 
Luigi

[Luigi Toscano]

Reindl Harald ha scritto:
>  
>  
>  Am 04.03.2017 um 21:50 schrieb Luigi Toscano:
> > Reindl Harald ha scritto:
> >>
> >>
> >> Am 04.03.2017 um 21:34 schrieb Gerald B. Cox:
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl(a)thelounge.net
> >>> <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>     oh yeah instead maintain / replace a for many years known
> >>>     application with a clear name introduce a new application with a
> >>>     idiotic (because pointsless) name - we really live in a great decade
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Yeah Harald, that crossed my mind also - but my guess is that someone
> >>> else developed the "Spectacle" application and either didn't
> like the
> >>> "KSnapshot" name or wasn't allowed to use it.  Contrast that
> with Google
> >>> who can't seem to settle for a name:  e.g. Google Talk, Hangouts,
> >>> Messenger, Allo, Duo, Android Messages
> >>
> >> projects like KDE *really* should introduce rules that shitty application
> >> names which don't give anybody a clue about what the applications is
> supposed
> >> to do are prohibited, especially when consider ot replace knowen and logical
> >> named ones
> >
> > You don't need to know the name of an application which pop ups when you press
> > "Print".
>  
>  but i need to know it when i have to fix existing setups whre "print" after
>  update don't work - there are people who don#t reinstall their machines and
>  profiles for many years 
Did it happen to you that print does not work after replacing KSnapshot with
Spectacle?



>  
> > Apart from this, please don't use  "shitty" and "idiotic"
> anymore here, even
> > if referred to a name. This is just an opinion and it may likely not be
> > generally shared
>  
>  since it's an opionion it *does not need* to be shared because thats the
>  nature of opinions and *no* i do not write a 500 lines large parapgraph when a
>  simpel word clearly describes my opinion - otherwise i would have become a
>  politican and not a IT guy 
You don't need 500 lines paragraph and this has nothing to do with politics
and not even with "politically correct". This is a more basic level, and I
don't get why it's difficult to understand it. Anyway, it was tried already
and I don't need to understand it, there are rules for that.


-- 
Luigi

[Reindl Harald]

Am 04.03.2017 um 22:21 schrieb Luigi Toscano:
>  Reindl Harald ha scritto:
> >
> >
> > Am 04.03.2017 um 21:50 schrieb Luigi Toscano:
> >> Reindl Harald ha scritto:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Am 04.03.2017 um 21:34 schrieb Gerald B. Cox:
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Reindl Harald
> <h.reindl(a)thelounge.net
> >>>> <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>     oh yeah instead maintain / replace a for many years known
> >>>>     application with a clear name introduce a new application with a
> >>>>     idiotic (because pointsless) name - we really live in a great decade
> >>>>
> >>>> Yeah Harald, that crossed my mind also - but my guess is that someone
> >>>> else developed the "Spectacle" application and either
> didn't like the
> >>>> "KSnapshot" name or wasn't allowed to use it.  Contrast
> that with Google
> >>>> who can't seem to settle for a name:  e.g. Google Talk, Hangouts,
> >>>> Messenger, Allo, Duo, Android Messages
> >>>
> >>> projects like KDE *really* should introduce rules that shitty application
> >>> names which don't give anybody a clue about what the applications is
> supposed
> >>> to do are prohibited, especially when consider ot replace knowen and logical
> >>> named ones
> >>
> >> You don't need to know the name of an application which pop ups when you
> press
> >> "Print" 
guess what happens when you assigned a application by hand and switched 
them for a shortcut - as long it does not provide the same binary name 
it just don#t work any longer since that settiungs are in teh userhome 
and no package has a business to touch user settings

guess what happens when you try to cleanup your system with "dnf leaves" 
and every package has a *idiotic* name like "spectacle" - you either 
remove it becaus eoyu don#t know what it is or you have to google for 
every package what the stuff is supposed to do

for *** which needs to re-install their systems and userprofile regulary 
that maybe don't matter - i prefer smarter setups and many of them are 
running for nearly 10 years - do the math F9 to F25

[Garry Williams]

On Saturday, March 4, 2017 8:37:01 AM EST Luigi Toscano wrote:
>  Ed Greshko ha scritto:
>  > I've updated 2 systems to Plasma 5.9.3 and ksnapshot seems slightly broken.
[snip]

>  ksnapshot is unmaintained. Please switch to spectacle, which should
>  be the default already (it has been for a while upstream as part of
>  KDE Applications). 
OK, thanks for that.  The problem is that the new program was not
started when pressing the PrintScreen key and the menu didn't show
spectacle in the Graphics section along with ksnapshot.

I erased ksnapshot and then reassigned the PrintScreen key in
settings.  All is as it should be now.

-- 
Garry T. Williams

[Reindl Harald]

Am 06.03.2017 um 18:02 schrieb Garry Williams:
>  On Saturday, March 4, 2017 8:37:01 AM EST Luigi Toscano wrote:
> > Ed Greshko ha scritto:
> >> I've updated 2 systems to Plasma 5.9.3 and ksnapshot seems slightly broken.
>
>  [snip]
>
> > ksnapshot is unmaintained. Please switch to spectacle, which should
> > be the default already (it has been for a while upstream as part of
> > KDE Applications).
>
>  OK, thanks for that.  The problem is that the new program was not
>  started when pressing the PrintScreen key and the menu didn't show
>  spectacle in the Graphics section along with ksnapshot.
>
>  I erased ksnapshot and then reassigned the PrintScreen key in
>  settings.  All is as it should be now. 
yeah that happens always when well known things are renamed - many 
people reinstall their machines never and also don't purge their 
userhomes and settings because when that's the solution they could go 
back to Windows also...

a proper absoletion does that a) in the package and b) installs a symlink

[Colin J Thomson]

On Saturday, 4 March 2017 13:31:54 GMT Ed Greshko wrote:
>  I've updated 2 systems to Plasma 5.9.3 and ksnapshot seems
> slightly broken. 
I never realised it was still available/maintained I thought it had been 
replaced by Spectacle which works very well.

https://www.kde.org/applications/graphics/spectacle/

Colin
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