new KDE on RHEL/Centos/SL 6?

[Hans Ecke]

Hi all-

Is there a way to run a newer KDE version on RHEL6 or its derivatives? 
RHEL6 comes with KDE SC 4.3. Upgrading to 4.7 would be pretty sweet.

What version of Qt is required to run KDE4.7?

The 4.7 release announcement says "In order to get the most out of these 
releases, we strongly recommend to use the latest version of Qt, as of 
today 4.7.4. This is necessary in order to assure a stable experience, 
as some improvements made to KDE software have actually been done in the 
underlying Qt framework." Thats pretty vague....

Cheers

Hans

[Robert Szalai]

Hi,
I'm also wondering if there would be newer KDE on RHEL. For some  
reason a solid base with a newer desktop seems to make sense to me.  
Should I understand that the lack of discussion about this issue means  
a lack of interest?
Robert

On 6 Sep 2011, at 18:00, Hans Ecke wrote:
> Hi all-
>
> Is there a way to run a newer KDE version on RHEL6 or its derivatives?
> RHEL6 comes with KDE SC 4.3. Upgrading to 4.7 would be pretty sweet.
>
> What version of Qt is required to run KDE4.7?
>
> The 4.7 release announcement says "In order to get the most out of  
> these
> releases, we strongly recommend to use the latest version of Qt, as of
> today 4.7.4. This is necessary in order to assure a stable experience,
> as some improvements made to KDE software have actually been done in  
> the
> underlying Qt framework." Thats pretty vague....
>
> Cheers
>
> Hans
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[Hans Ecke]

FWIW, I'm going to look at source-compiling and doing a "make install" 
to /usr/local next week. Lets see if Konstruct is still being 
maintained.... I'll send a report.

On Fri, 16 Sep 2011, Robert Szalai wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm also wondering if there would be newer KDE on RHEL. For some  
> reason a solid base with a newer desktop seems to make sense to me.  
> Should I understand that the lack of discussion about this issue means  
> a lack of interest?
> Robert
>
> On 6 Sep 2011, at 18:00, Hans Ecke wrote:
> > Hi all-
> >
> > Is there a way to run a newer KDE version on RHEL6 or its derivatives?
> > RHEL6 comes with KDE SC 4.3. Upgrading to 4.7 would be pretty sweet.
> >
> > What version of Qt is required to run KDE4.7?
> >
> > The 4.7 release announcement says "In order to get the most out of  
> > these
> > releases, we strongly recommend to use the latest version of Qt, as of
> > today 4.7.4. This is necessary in order to assure a stable experience,
> > as some improvements made to KDE software have actually been done in  
> > the
> > underlying Qt framework." Thats pretty vague....
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Hans

[Timothy Murphy]

Robert Szalai wrote:
> I'm also wondering if there would be newer KDE on RHEL. For some
> reason a solid base with a newer desktop seems to make sense to me.

In what way is KDE under CentOS-6 less "solid" than KDE under Fedora-15?
I use both, and I don't find one better (or worse) than the other.

[Marko Vojinovic]

On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 12:04 AM, Timothy Murphy  wrote:
> Robert Szalai wrote:
> > I'm also wondering if there would be newer KDE on RHEL. For some
> > reason a solid base with a newer desktop seems to make sense to me.
>
> In what way is KDE under CentOS-6 less "solid" than KDE under Fedora-15?
> I use both, and I don't find one better (or worse) than the other.

KDE 4.3 is a tad bit too old for my taste, and lacks certain features.
For example, I just found out that there is no automount option when
plugging in a USB disk. That feature appeared in KDE 4.4, and here I
have to use an ugly custom cron job to check every minute whether
there is a USB hard drive to be mounted or not.

There are probably other small things missing as well. I would welcome
a KDE update on CentOS 6. ;-)

Best, :-)
Marko

[Timothy Murphy]

Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> > > I'm also wondering if there would be newer KDE on RHEL. For some
> > > reason a solid base with a newer desktop seems to make sense to me.
> >
> > In what way is KDE under CentOS-6 less "solid" than KDE under Fedora-15?
> > I use both, and I don't find one better (or worse) than the other.
>
> KDE 4.3 is a tad bit too old for my taste, and lacks certain features.
> For example, I just found out that there is no automount option when
> plugging in a USB disk. That feature appeared in KDE 4.4, and here I
> have to use an ugly custom cron job to check every minute whether
> there is a USB hard drive to be mounted or not.

Personally, I only run CentOS on servers,
and I don't care whether an application is old or new, as long as it runs.
I've updated to CentOS-6, but to be honest
I haven't found anything that is improved from my limited viewpoint.

In my experience with Fedora, any change to KDE is likely to cause problems
somewhere, so I'd like any update to be put off as long as possible,
as I don't like playing with servers.

It isn't important, but I didn't understand your example.
Surely you must know if you have attached a USB disk,
and so can mount it at that point?

[Marko Vojinovic]

On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Timothy Murphy  wrote:
> Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> > > > I'm also wondering if there would be newer KDE on RHEL. For some
> > > > reason a solid base with a newer desktop seems to make sense to me.
> > >
> > > In what way is KDE under CentOS-6 less "solid" than KDE under Fedora-15?
> > > I use both, and I don't find one better (or worse) than the other.
> >
> > KDE 4.3 is a tad bit too old for my taste, and lacks certain features.
> > For example, I just found out that there is no automount option when
> > plugging in a USB disk. That feature appeared in KDE 4.4, and here I
> > have to use an ugly custom cron job to check every minute whether
> > there is a USB hard drive to be mounted or not.
>
> Personally, I only run CentOS on servers,
> and I don't care whether an application is old or new, as long as it runs.
> I've updated to CentOS-6, but to be honest
> I haven't found anything that is improved from my limited viewpoint.
>
> In my experience with Fedora, any change to KDE is likely to cause problems
> somewhere, so I'd like any update to be put off as long as possible,
> as I don't like playing with servers.
>
> It isn't important, but I didn't understand your example.
> Surely you must know if you have attached a USB disk,
> and so can mount it at that point?

I completely agree with your POV as far as servers are concerned, but
I also use CentOS for some desktop machines where long-term support is
important. KDE doesn't even need to be installed for most server
purposes, while for desktop purposes it would be nice to have a more
recent version.

As to my usecase, of course, I can always manually mount a connected
USB disk. But the machines in question are not used by me, but by some
rather computer-illiterate people, who like things to "just happen",
and know second to nothing about mounting a filesystem. As I am not
around to help them every time someone plugs something into the
machine, an automount feature would be more than welcome. :-)

Incidentally, having CentOS as a desktop OS for such
computer-illiterate people is a very nice solution --- I can perform
most of the administrative and configuration tasks remotely, provide
excellent desktop support for the clients without ever leaving my own
office, and the clients get a stable and robust desktop system that
Just Works and doesn't change the appearence and their workflow for
several years on. It's a win-win thing, with just a slight drawback
that some small pieces of functionality like automounting are
unfortunately missing in KDE4.3.

Best, :-)
Marko