Space for wallpapers in Fedora 16

[Máirín Duffy]

Hi everyone,

The Fedora design team had a meeting today for Fedora 16 planning and
we'd like to try for a four-wallpaper pack for Fedora 16. (We can
provide a slideshow XML file for GNOME, if KDE / XFCE / LXDE support
something like slideshows let us know and we can try to provide it).

We wanted to provide a heads up so that you could account for the space
early on in the cycle if you wanted all of the wallpapers for your spin;
in the past when we've done a slideshow set it has caused last-minute
space issues: we'd very much like to avoid that. 

Based on previous wallpapers and the high resolution we are targeting,
6-8 MB is probably a good guesstimate of the maximum amount of space we
might need. In the end, we may need to pull back and focus on really
polishing only one of the wallpapers; as the release progresses we can
keep you updated on what to expect.

If you're interested in following the artwork progress, we have an
artboard here: http://publictest04.fedoraproject.org/artboard/

Is this okay?

Thanks,
~m

(As a favor to me, I'd appreciate it very much if you could keep me on
the CC of replies :) )

[Miro Hrončok]

Hi Máirín,

>  provide a slideshow XML file for GNOME, if KDE / XFCE / LXDE support
>  something like slideshows let us know and we can try to provide it). 
Xfce provide
the possibility of having more background images, but
they only change when the desktop is started. It is possible to change
the bahaviour by manually calling a "xfdesktop --reload" command in a
while cycle.

Miro Hrončok

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Telefon: [phone]



2011/6/7 Máirín Duffy <duffy(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
> Hi everyone,
>
> The Fedora design team had a meeting today for Fedora 16 planning and
> we'd like to try for a four-wallpaper pack for Fedora 16. (We can
>  provide a slideshow XML file for GNOME, if KDE / XFCE / LXDE support
>  something like slideshows let us know and we can try to provide it). 
>
> We wanted to provide a heads up so that you could account for the space
> early on in the cycle if you wanted all of the wallpapers for your spin;
> in the past when we've done a slideshow set it has caused last-minute
> space issues: we'd very much like to avoid that.
>
> Based on previous wallpapers and the high resolution we are targeting,
> 6-8 MB is probably a good guesstimate of the maximum amount of space we
> might need. In the end, we may need to pull back and focus on really
> polishing only one of the wallpapers; as the release progresses we can
> keep you updated on what to expect.
>
> If you're interested in following the artwork progress, we have an
> artboard here: http://publictest04.fedoraproject.org/artboard/
>
> Is this okay?
>
> Thanks,
> ~m
>
> (As a favor to me, I'd appreciate it very much if you could keep me on
> the CC of replies :) )
>
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[Bruno Wolff III]

On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 17:45:40 -0400,
  Máirín Duffy <duffy(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  
>  We wanted to provide a heads up so that you could account for the space
>  early on in the cycle if you wanted all of the wallpapers for your spin;
>  in the past when we've done a slideshow set it has caused last-minute
>  space issues: we'd very much like to avoid that.  
One suggestion I have is get something in early that is about the right
size even if it doesn't look good. That will provide an early warning
to people about potential size issues that might miss or forget about
the heads up notice later on.

[Jaroslav Reznik]

On Tuesday, June 07, 2011 11:45:40 PM Máirín Duffy wrote:
>  Hi everyone,
>  
>  The Fedora design team had a meeting today for Fedora 16 planning and
>  we'd like to try for a four-wallpaper pack for Fedora 16. (We can
>  provide a slideshow XML file for GNOME, if KDE / XFCE / LXDE support
>  something like slideshows let us know and we can try to provide it).
>  
>  We wanted to provide a heads up so that you could account for the space
>  early on in the cycle if you wanted all of the wallpapers for your spin;
>  in the past when we've done a slideshow set it has caused last-minute
>  space issues: we'd very much like to avoid that.
>  
>  Based on previous wallpapers and the high resolution we are targeting,
>  6-8 MB is probably a good guesstimate of the maximum amount of space we
>  might need. In the end, we may need to pull back and focus on really
>  polishing only one of the wallpapers; as the release progresses we can
>  keep you updated on what to expect.
>  
>  If you're interested in following the artwork progress, we have an
>  artboard here: http://publictest04.fedoraproject.org/artboard/ 
Hi,
yep, we have a support for slideshow in Plasma. But it depends if it's just 
slideshow or time based wp change as we saw before in Gnome. I was thinking 
about implemnting it to Plasma but after aseigo's review of the old one Gnome 
XML file I decided better not do it. Even aseigo is still waiting for 
implementation :)

Just one thing - as Kevin pointed out - the extended slideshow wps should be in 
separate subpackage and the default package should be the single one due to live 
image space constraints. Especially for Plasma spin.

Another important thing is - we need some simple designs. I really like Fedora 
designs as these aren't usually the boring abstract something like in other 
distros but today with Gnome Shell, the Plasma Netbook brother (I'm surprised 
how similar these two are, very nice for touchable netbooks) - the desktop now 
serves for activities (both Shell and Plasma ones). The Plasma Active is going 
to be even more using the desktop... So this is something you, as Design team 
should consider. But still I hope we can have amazing designs, not just colorful 
spits :) 

Thanks
Jaroslav

>  Is this okay?
>  
>  Thanks,
>  ~m
>  
>  (As a favor to me, I'd appreciate it very much if you could keep me on
>  the CC of replies :) )
>  
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[Máirín Duffy]

On Wed, 2011-06-08 at 11:51 +0000, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
>  yep, we have a support for slideshow in Plasma. But it depends if
> it's just 
>  slideshow or time based wp change as we saw before in Gnome. I was thinking 
>  about implemnting it to Plasma but after aseigo's review of the old one Gnome 
>  XML file I decided better not do it. Even aseigo is still waiting for 
>  implementation :) 
We were thinking it would just be a simple slideshow. No time-based
transition effects. 

>  Just one thing - as Kevin pointed out - the extended slideshow wps
> should be in 
>  separate subpackage and the default package should be the single one due to live 
>  image space constraints. Especially for Plasma spin. 
Okay, shipping four wallpapers by default was not a problem in earlier
Fedoras when we've done this before (at least on the desktop spin.) We
did ship the four wallpapers, which were the same wallpaper with
different colorations. Fedora 8 and Fedora 9 are some examples of this.
We didn't know it would be a problem if we gave advance notice; it seems
even with advance notice it's a problem, so I guess we have no choice -
one wallpaper it is then.

>  Another important thing is - we need some simple designs. I really
> like Fedora 
>  designs as these aren't usually the boring abstract something like in other 
>  distros but today with Gnome Shell, the Plasma Netbook brother (I'm surprised 
>  how similar these two are, very nice for touchable netbooks) - the desktop now 
>  serves for activities (both Shell and Plasma ones). The Plasma Active is going 
>  to be even more using the desktop... So this is something you, as Design team 
>  should consider. But still I hope we can have amazing designs, not just colorful 
>  spits :)  
This is a good point, but this is probably not the appropriate thread to
bring that up. Please start a new thread on the design-team list for
this or you can of course provide artists feedback directly on the
artboard - thanks!  :)

~m

[Design-team] Space for wallpapers in Fedora 16

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 17:53:25 -0400,
  Máirín Duffy <duffy(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  
>  Okay, shipping four wallpapers by default was not a problem in earlier
>  Fedoras when we've done this before (at least on the desktop spin.) We
>  did ship the four wallpapers, which were the same wallpaper with
>  different colorations. Fedora 8 and Fedora 9 are some examples of this.
>  We didn't know it would be a problem if we gave advance notice; it seems
>  even with advance notice it's a problem, so I guess we have no choice -
>  one wallpaper it is then. 
Some of the other spins aren't currently that tight on space. So if it is
OK to do it differently on different spins, then maybe many of the
other spins could use the slide show and the space constrained ones
could use a single wallpaper.

[Jaroslav Reznik]

On Wednesday, June 08, 2011 11:53:25 PM Máirín Duffy wrote:
>  On Wed, 2011-06-08 at 11:51 +0000, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
>  > yep, we have a support for slideshow in Plasma. But it depends if it's
>  > just slideshow or time based wp change as we saw before in Gnome. I was
>  > thinking about implemnting it to Plasma but after aseigo's review of the
>  > old one Gnome XML file I decided better not do it. Even aseigo is still
>  > waiting for implementation :)
>  
>  We were thinking it would just be a simple slideshow. No time-based
>  transition effects. 
Ok. This is not a problem to set it up.

>  > Just one thing - as Kevin pointed out - the extended slideshow
> wps should
>  > be in separate subpackage and the default package should be the single
>  > one due to live image space constraints. Especially for Plasma spin.
>  
>  Okay, shipping four wallpapers by default was not a problem in earlier
>  Fedoras when we've done this before (at least on the desktop spin.) We
>  did ship the four wallpapers, which were the same wallpaper with
>  different colorations. Fedora 8 and Fedora 9 are some examples of this.
>  We didn't know it would be a problem if we gave advance notice; it seems
>  even with advance notice it's a problem, so I guess we have no choice -
>  one wallpaper it is then. 
I'm not saying it's a problem. Just the solution should be - to have one 
"master" wallpaper packaged in a standalone subpackage (and probably used for 
GDM/KDM/KSplash) and package the rest slideshow in the another subpackage. Spins 
that have a spare space can ship base one wp package + slides package (even 2G 
Plasma spin!!!). Regular Plasma spin can ship just the base one. And we will see 
- maybe we will have some space available and we could ship all - can't say for 
sure now. But I still prefer a little bit more ship software users are asking us 
to include in live image.

>  > Another important thing is - we need some simple designs. I
> really like
>  > Fedora designs as these aren't usually the boring abstract something
>  > like in other distros but today with Gnome Shell, the Plasma Netbook
>  > brother (I'm surprised how similar these two are, very nice for
>  > touchable netbooks) - the desktop now serves for activities (both Shell
>  > and Plasma ones). The Plasma Active is going to be even more using the
>  > desktop... So this is something you, as Design team should consider. But
>  > still I hope we can have amazing designs, not just colorful spits :)
>  
>  This is a good point, but this is probably not the appropriate thread to
>  bring that up. Please start a new thread on the design-team list for
>  this or you can of course provide artists feedback directly on the
>  artboard - thanks!  :) 
Yeah, I know it wasn't the best place to mix it but it's still somehow related 
to the topics. The base wp could be the simple one for example, slideshow could 
be more artistic like - so probably not the default one even for smaller spins? 
Just and idea.

Jaroslav

>  ~m 
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Software Engineer - Base Operating Systems Brno

Office: [phone]
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