Re: Kde Startup delays for 10 - 20 seconds (partially caused by nepomuk)

[Ubay Dorta Guerra]

Hello,

I have Fedora 17 with the home directory mounted via autofs (NFS) 
and the following versions of kdelibs:

kdelibs-common-4.9.2-5.fc17.x86_64
kdelibs-4.9.2-5.fc17.x86_64

Sometimes the kde startup sound delays up to 1 minute (you can see 
the /var/log/messages file below).

I've tried to disable nepomuk (modifed 
/usr/share/kde-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/nepomukserverrc) and 
pulseaudio (removed /etc/xdg/autostart/pulseaudio-kde.desktop), and the 
problem is still present.

The only way to get rid of the delay is disabling the autofs and use 
the local disk for home directories.

Any hints?

Thanks in advance.

Nov  6 13:00:46 pc rtkit-daemon[1229]: Successfully made thread 1823 of 
process 1762 (/usr/bin/pulseaudio) owned by '2325' RT at priority 5.
Nov  6 13:00:46 pc rtkit-daemon[1229]: Successfully made thread 1824 of 
process 1762 (/usr/bin/pulseaudio) owned by '2325' RT at priority 5.
Nov  6 13:01:16 pc rtkit-daemon[1229]: Successfully made thread 1867 of 
process 1867 (/usr/bin/pulseaudio) owned by '2325' high priority at nice 
level -11.
Nov  6 13:01:16 pc pulseaudio[1867]: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already 
running.
Nov  6 13:01:46 pc rtkit-daemon[1229]: Successfully made thread 1877 of 
process 1877 (/usr/bin/pulseaudio) owned by '2325' high priority at nice 
level -11.
Nov  6 13:01:46 pc rtkit-daemon[1229]: Successfully made thread 1878 of 
process 1877 (/usr/bin/pulseaudio) owned by '2325' RT at priority 5.
Nov  6 13:01:46 pc rtkit-daemon[1229]: Successfully made thread 1879 of 
process 1877 (/usr/bin/pulseaudio) owned by '2325' RT at priority 5.
Nov  6 13:02:17 pc rtkit-daemon[1229]: Successfully made thread 1894 of 
process 1894 (/usr/bin/pulseaudio) owned by '2325' high priority at nice 
level -11.
Nov  6 13:02:17 pc pulseaudio[1894]: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already 
running.
Nov  6 13:02:17 pc rtkit-daemon[1229]: Successfully made thread 1897 of 
process 1897 (/usr/bin/pulseaudio) owned by '2325' high priority at nice 
level -11.
Nov  6 13:02:17 pc pulseaudio[1897]: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already 
running.
Nov  6 13:02:17 pc rtkit-daemon[1229]: Successfully made thread 1900 of 
process 1900 (/usr/bin/pulseaudio) owned by '2325' high priority at nice 
level -11.
Nov  6 13:02:17 pc pulseaudio[1900]: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already 
running.

El 18/07/12 10:08, h.reindl at thelounge.net  escribió:
> Jul 18 09:08:34 Updated: 6:kdelibs-common-4.8.4-8.fc17.x86_64
> Jul 18 09:08:38 Updated: 6:kdelibs-4.8.4-8.fc17.x86_64
>
> kdelibs from updates-testing seems to solve this problem
>
> on both of my machines now sshaskpass and kwallet password
> dialog triggered by kopete appear directly after login
> without any delay

Kde Startup delays for 10 - 20 seconds (partially caused by nepomuk)

[Rex Dieter]

On 11/06/2012 07:39 AM, Ubay Dorta Guerra wrote:
> Hello,
> I have Fedora 17 with the home directory mounted via autofs (NFS)
>
> and the following versions of kdelibs:
>
> kdelibs-common-4.9.2-5.fc17.x86_64
> kdelibs-4.9.2-5.fc17.x86_64
> Sometimes the kde startup sound delays up to 1 minute (you can see
>
> the /var/log/messages file below).
> I've tried to disable nepomuk (modifed
>
> /usr/share/kde-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/nepomukserverrc) and
> pulseaudio (removed /etc/xdg/autostart/pulseaudio-kde.desktop), and the
> problem is still present.

As for nepomuk, modifying nepomukserverrc only affects new users. 
Existing users will need to disable nepomuk via
systemsettings->desktop search

*And*, if you want to go modifying systemwide *rc files, plop the 
modified one into /etc/kde instead.  That way, it's not overwritten on 
any updates, for example.

Kde Startup delays for 10 - 20 seconds (partially caused by nepomuk)

[Ubay Dorta Guerra]

Hello,

I have deleted the home directory for the user and created a new 
one. Nepomuk is shown as disabled but the problem is still present.

Thank you for your help.

Regards.

El 06/11/12 14:33, Rex Dieter escribió:
> On 11/06/2012 07:39 AM, Ubay Dorta Guerra wrote:
> > Hello,
> > I have Fedora 17 with the home directory mounted via autofs (NFS)
> >
> > and the following versions of kdelibs:
> >
> > kdelibs-common-4.9.2-5.fc17.x86_64
> > kdelibs-4.9.2-5.fc17.x86_64
> > Sometimes the kde startup sound delays up to 1 minute (you can see
> >
> > the /var/log/messages file below).
> > I've tried to disable nepomuk (modifed
> >
> > /usr/share/kde-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/nepomukserverrc) 
> > and
> > pulseaudio (removed /etc/xdg/autostart/pulseaudio-kde.desktop), and the
> > problem is still present.
>
> As for nepomuk, modifying nepomukserverrc only affects new users. 
> Existing users will need to disable nepomuk via
> systemsettings->desktop search
>
> *And*, if you want to go modifying systemwide *rc files, plop the 
> modified one into /etc/kde instead.  That way, it's not overwritten on 
> any updates, for example.
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Kde Startup delays for 10 - 20 seconds (partially caused by nepomuk)

[Rex Dieter]

On 11/06/2012 08:48 AM, Ubay Dorta Guerra wrote:
> Hello,
> I have deleted the home directory for the user and created a new
>
> one. Nepomuk is shown as disabled but the problem is still present.

The "problem" being that nepomuk is starting anyway?  If so, can you 
post the nepomukserverrc file you used?  I can look it over for errors.

-- rex
> El 06/11/12 14:33, Rex Dieter escribió:
> > On 11/06/2012 07:39 AM, Ubay Dorta Guerra wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > > I have Fedora 17 with the home directory mounted via autofs (NFS)
> > >
> > > and the following versions of kdelibs:
> > >
> > > kdelibs-common-4.9.2-5.fc17.x86_64
> > > kdelibs-4.9.2-5.fc17.x86_64
> > > Sometimes the kde startup sound delays up to 1 minute (you can see
> > >
> > > the /var/log/messages file below).
> > > I've tried to disable nepomuk (modifed
> > >
> > > /usr/share/kde-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/nepomukserverrc)
> > > and
> > > pulseaudio (removed /etc/xdg/autostart/pulseaudio-kde.desktop), and the
> > > problem is still present.
> >
> > As for nepomuk, modifying nepomukserverrc only affects new users.
> > Existing users will need to disable nepomuk via
> > systemsettings->desktop search
> >
> > *And*, if you want to go modifying systemwide *rc files, plop the
> > modified one into /etc/kde instead.  That way, it's not overwritten on
> > any updates, for example.
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Kde Startup delays for 10 - 20 seconds (partially caused by nepomuk)

[Ubay Dorta Guerra]

Hi,

Here is the nepomukserverrc file:

[root@pc ~]# more 
/usr/share/kde-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/nepomukserverrc
[Basic Settings]
Start Nepomuk=false

[Service-nepomukstrigiservice]
autostart=true

For the user the option "Enable Nepomuk Semantic Desktop"  is not 
checked when i go to systemsettings->desktop search.

Is there another setting that i need to disable?

Thank you.

El 06/11/12 15:06, Rex Dieter escribió:
> On 11/06/2012 08:48 AM, Ubay Dorta Guerra wrote:
> > Hello,
> > I have deleted the home directory for the user and created a new
> >
> > one. Nepomuk is shown as disabled but the problem is still present.
>
> The "problem" being that nepomuk is starting anyway?  If so, can you 
> post the nepomukserverrc file you used?  I can look it over for errors.
>
> -- rex
> > El 06/11/12 14:33, Rex Dieter escribió:
> > > On 11/06/2012 07:39 AM, Ubay Dorta Guerra wrote:
> > > > Hello,
> > > > I have Fedora 17 with the home directory mounted via autofs (NFS)
> > > >
> > > > and the following versions of kdelibs:
> > > >
> > > > kdelibs-common-4.9.2-5.fc17.x86_64
> > > > kdelibs-4.9.2-5.fc17.x86_64
> > > > Sometimes the kde startup sound delays up to 1 minute (you can see
> > > >
> > > > the /var/log/messages file below).
> > > > I've tried to disable nepomuk (modifed
> > > >
> > > > /usr/share/kde-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/nepomukserverrc)
> > > >
> > > > and
> > > > pulseaudio (removed /etc/xdg/autostart/pulseaudio-kde.desktop), and 
> > > > the
> > > > problem is still present.
> > >
> > > As for nepomuk, modifying nepomukserverrc only affects new users.
> > > Existing users will need to disable nepomuk via
> > > systemsettings->desktop search
> > >
> > > *And*, if you want to go modifying systemwide *rc files, plop the
> > > modified one into /etc/kde instead.  That way, it's not overwritten on
> > > any updates, for example.
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> >
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Kde Startup delays for 10 - 20 seconds (partially caused by nepomuk)

[Rex Dieter]

On 11/06/2012 09:23 AM, Ubay Dorta Guerra wrote:
> Hi,
>  Here is the nepomukserverrc file:
>
> [root@pc ~]# more
> /usr/share/kde-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/nepomukserverrc
> [Basic Settings]
> Start Nepomuk=false
>
> [Service-nepomukstrigiservice]
> autostart=true

OK, I think what you want is something like what I use @ work:

# /etc/kde/nepomukserverrc
[Basic Settings]
# startup often causes 1-3 minute stall on login
# perhaps some virtuoso db-on-nfs issue
Start Nepomuk=false

[Service-nepomukfileindexer]
# Disable this by default, not exactly nfs-friendly
autostart=false

Kde Startup delays for 10 - 20 seconds (partially caused by nepomuk)

[Martin Kho]

On Tuesday 06 November 2012 10:19:22 Rex Dieter wrote:
> On 11/06/2012 09:23 AM, Ubay Dorta Guerra wrote:
> > Hi,
> >  Here is the nepomukserverrc file:
> >
> > [root@pc ~]# more
> > /usr/share/kde-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/nepomukserverrc
> > [Basic Settings]
> > Start Nepomuk=false
> >
> > [Service-nepomukstrigiservice]
> > autostart=true
>
> OK, I think what you want is something like what I use @ work:
>
> # /etc/kde/nepomukserverrc
> [Basic Settings]
> # startup often causes 1-3 minute stall on login
> # perhaps some virtuoso db-on-nfs issue
> Start Nepomuk=false
>
> [Service-nepomukfileindexer]
> # Disable this by default, not exactly nfs-friendly
> autostart=false

Hi,

I doubt the delay is - only - caused by nepomuk/virtuoso in combination with 
nfs. In fc17 I also see a 10-20 second startup delay and am not using nfs. 
When trying to totally disable nepomuk the delay remains. I've no idea were it 
comes from, but it looks like is has also something to do with sound - the 
welcome sound is first thing that appears after the delay. May be 
udisks/udisks2 has something to do with it.

Martin Kho

Btw.In fc18 there are much more delay issues caused by the combination of 
udisks2 and kde-4.9.2
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Kde Startup delays for 10 - 20 seconds (partially caused by nepomuk)

[Martin (KDE)]

Am 06.11.2012 18:32, schrieb Martin Kho:
> Hi,
>
> I doubt the delay is - only - caused by nepomuk/virtuoso in combination with 
> nfs. In fc17 I also see a 10-20 second startup delay and am not using nfs. 
> When trying to totally disable nepomuk the delay remains. I've no idea were it 
> comes from, but it looks like is has also something to do with sound - the 
> welcome sound is first thing that appears after the delay. May be 
> udisks/udisks2 has something to do with it.

I have the same problem. At first I thought NFS was the problem, but all
users (even root) has this delay about every second login.

I disabled nepomuk (and akonadi is disabled as well) and the delay after
login was almost the same (may be not that often but that is very hard
to tell).

At least on my system the problem was some settings in pulseaudio. it
was the script start-pulseaudio-x11 that caused the delay and here the
last call (/usr/bin/pactl load-module module-x11-xsmp).

I did not switch back to home folder on NFS by the way. Laptops via WLan
have very poor performance regarding NFS. So I wrote a set of scripts to
sync from/to the server at login/logout.

Martin
> Martin Kho
>
> Btw.In fc18 there are much more delay issues caused by the combination of 
> udisks2 and kde-4.9.2

Kde Startup delays for 10 - 20 seconds (partially caused by nepomuk)

[Martin Kho]

On Tuesday 06 November 2012 18:46:17 Martin wrote:
> Am 06.11.2012 18:32, schrieb Martin Kho:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I doubt the delay is - only - caused by nepomuk/virtuoso in combination
> > with nfs. In fc17 I also see a 10-20 second startup delay and am not
> > using nfs. When trying to totally disable nepomuk the delay remains. I've
> > no idea were it comes from, but it looks like is has also something to do
> > with sound - the welcome sound is first thing that appears after the
> > delay. May be
> > udisks/udisks2 has something to do with it.
>
> I have the same problem. At first I thought NFS was the problem, but all
> users (even root) has this delay about every second login.
>
> I disabled nepomuk (and akonadi is disabled as well) and the delay after
> login was almost the same (may be not that often but that is very hard
> to tell).
>
> At least on my system the problem was some settings in pulseaudio. it
> was the script start-pulseaudio-x11 that caused the delay and here the
> last call (/usr/bin/pactl load-module module-x11-xsmp).

You just disbled/removed this module?
> I did not switch back to home folder on NFS by the way. Laptops via WLan
> have very poor performance regarding NFS. So I wrote a set of scripts to
> sync from/to the server at login/logout.
>
> Martin
> > Martin Kho
> >
> > Btw.In fc18 there are much more delay issues caused by the combination of
> > udisks2 and kde-4.9.2
>
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Kde Startup delays for 10 - 20 seconds (partially caused by nepomuk)

[Martin (KDE)]

Am 06.11.2012 20:22, schrieb Martin Kho:
> On Tuesday 06 November 2012 18:46:17 Martin wrote:
> > Am 06.11.2012 18:32, schrieb Martin Kho:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I doubt the delay is - only - caused by nepomuk/virtuoso in combination
> > > with nfs. In fc17 I also see a 10-20 second startup delay and am not
> > > using nfs. When trying to totally disable nepomuk the delay remains. I've
> > > no idea were it comes from, but it looks like is has also something to do
> > > with sound - the welcome sound is first thing that appears after the
> > > delay. May be
> > > udisks/udisks2 has something to do with it.
> >
> > I have the same problem. At first I thought NFS was the problem, but all
> > users (even root) has this delay about every second login.
> >
> > I disabled nepomuk (and akonadi is disabled as well) and the delay after
> > login was almost the same (may be not that often but that is very hard
> > to tell).
> >
> > At least on my system the problem was some settings in pulseaudio. it
> > was the script start-pulseaudio-x11 that caused the delay and here the
> > last call (/usr/bin/pactl load-module module-x11-xsmp).
>
> You just disbled/removed this module?

For testing purpose I disabled it (remove the whole script from
startup). Currently it is enabled - I live with the 15 seconds delay at
startup. Until now no one could tell me why this module causes such a
delay and I was to lazy to check it out myself.

Martin

Kde Startup delays for 10 - 20 seconds (partially caused by nepomuk)

[Mary Ellen Foster]

On 6 November 2012 19:54, Martin (KDE)  wrote:
> Am 06.11.2012 20:22, schrieb Martin Kho:
> > On Tuesday 06 November 2012 18:46:17 Martin wrote:
> > > Am 06.11.2012 18:32, schrieb Martin Kho:
> > > > I doubt the delay is - only - caused by nepomuk/virtuoso in combination
> > > > with nfs. In fc17 I also see a 10-20 second startup delay and am not
> > > > using nfs. When trying to totally disable nepomuk the delay remains.
>
> I've
> > > > no idea were it comes from, but it looks like is has also something to
>
> do
> > > > with sound - the welcome sound is first thing that appears after the
> > > > delay. May be
> > > > udisks/udisks2 has something to do with it.
> > >
> > > I have the same problem. At first I thought NFS was the problem, but all
> > > users (even root) has this delay about every second login.
> > >
> > > I disabled nepomuk (and akonadi is disabled as well) and the delay after
> > > login was almost the same (may be not that often but that is very hard
> > > to tell).
> > >
> > > At least on my system the problem was some settings in pulseaudio. it
> > > was the script start-pulseaudio-x11 that caused the delay and here the
> > > last call (/usr/bin/pactl load-module module-x11-xsmp).
> >
> > You just disbled/removed this module?
>
> For testing purpose I disabled it (remove the whole script from
> startup). Currently it is enabled - I live with the 15 seconds delay at
> startup. Until now no one could tell me why this module causes such a
> delay and I was to lazy to check it out myself.

Aha -- this looks like the symptoms I've been seeing (
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=882506). But the problem
persists after the startup sound too: all other KDE system sounds are
delayed by about 1 second after the corresponding notification dialogue
box, and running software such as gcompris (http://gcompris.net/) also
shows a significant lag in all sounds.

I'll try getting rid of that module this evening (it's my home laptop) and
see if that solves the problem ... Note that this issue doesn't appear on
an identical computer with F17 + kde-unstable updates.

MEF