Kf5 dependencies.

[eddy edpil]

I come from Plasma archlinux which has no kf5 dependencies why are there some in fedora :

dnf remove kf5*
Removing dependent packages:
plasma-breeze x86_64 6.2.2-1.fc42 rawhide
plasma-desktop x86_64 6.2.2 -1.fc42 rawhide
plasma-print-manager x86_64 6.2.2-1.fc42 rawhide
plasma-workspace x86_64 6.2.2-1.fc42 rawhide 
plasma-workspace-wayland x86_64 6.2.2-1.fc42 rawhide  
plasma-workspace-x11 x86_64 6.2.2-1.fc42 rawhide 
sddm-breeze

[Anthony Messina]

In my case, this appears to be related to maliit-keyboard since it's a hard requirement of plasma-workspace:

Failed to resolve the transaction:
Problem: installed package maliit-keyboard-2.3.1-8.fc41.x86_64 requires libQt5Gui.so.5()(64bit), but none of the providers can be installed
  - installed package maliit-keyboard-2.3.1-8.fc41.x86_64 requires libQt5Gui.so.5(Qt_5)(64bit), but none of the providers can be installed
  - installed package plasma-breeze-6.3.0-1.fc41.x86_64 requires (plasma-breeze-qt5 if qt5-qtbase-gui), but none of the providers can be installed
  - installed package plasma-workspace-6.3.0-1.fc41.x86_64 requires maliit-keyboard, but none of the providers can be installed
  - installed package plasma-integration-6.3.0-1.fc41.x86_64 requires plasma-breeze(x86-64), but none of the providers can be installed
  - installed package plasma-desktop-6.3.0-1.fc41.x86_64 requires plasma-workspace, but none of the providers can be installed
  - installed package plasma-desktop-6.3.0-1.fc41.x86_64 requires plasma-integration, but none of the providers can be installed
  - conflicting requests
  - problem with installed package

There is an old issue here:
https://github.com/maliit/keyboard/issues/122

and some work here:
https://github.com/maliit/keyboard/pull/235

On Tuesday, November 5, 2024 2:02:15 AM Central Standard Time eddy edpil via kde wrote:
> I come from Plasma archlinux which has no kf5 dependencies why are there
> some in fedora :
> dnf remove kf5*
> Removing dependent packages:
> plasma-breeze x86_64 6.2.2-1.fc42 rawhide
> plasma-desktop x86_64 6.2.2 -1.fc42 rawhide
> plasma-print-manager x86_64 6.2.2-1.fc42 rawhide
> plasma-workspace x86_64 6.2.2-1.fc42 rawhide 
> plasma-workspace-wayland x86_64 6.2.2-1.fc42 rawhide  
> plasma-workspace-x11 x86_64 6.2.2-1.fc42 rawhide 
> sddm-breeze

[Sérgio Basto]

On Fri, 2025-02-14 at 17:10 -0600, Anthony Messina via kde wrote:
> Problem: installed package maliit-keyboard-2.3.1-8.fc41.x86_64
> requires libQt5Gui.so.5()(64bit), but none of the providers can be
> installed

I don't had problem to update , but #rpm -qf /usr/lib64/libQt5Gui.so.5 
qt5-qtbase-gui-5.15.15-3.fc41.x86_64

please try update qt5-qtbase* first

[Anthony Messina]

On Friday, February 14, 2025 7:25:01 PM Central Standard Time Sérgio Basto 
wrote:
> On Fri, 2025-02-14 at 17:10 -0600, Anthony Messina via kde wrote:
> > Problem: installed package maliit-keyboard-2.3.1-8.fc41.x86_64
> > requires libQt5Gui.so.5()(64bit), but none of the providers can be
> > installed
>
> I don't had problem to update , but #rpm -qf /usr/lib64/libQt5Gui.so.5
> qt5-qtbase-gui-5.15.15-3.fc41.x86_64
>
> please try update qt5-qtbase* first

Thanks Sérgio.  I had missed the OP from November 2024, but my sense of the 
question was question was why there are still kf5 dependencies in Fedora.  It 
appears that maliit-keyboard being a hard "Requires" for plasma-workspace is 
one of the reasons so many kf5 (and qt5) packages are pulled in.

Personlly, it seems like a lot of baggage still hanging around for a feature 
that may not be very widely used considering the question of Qt6 support in 
maliit-keyboard was raised in April 2022 and isn't yet resolved upstream.

[Neal Gompa]

On Fri, Feb 14, 2025 at 10:28 PM Anthony Messina via kde
 wrote:
> On Friday, February 14, 2025 7:25:01 PM Central Standard Time Sérgio Basto
> wrote:
> > On Fri, 2025-02-14 at 17:10 -0600, Anthony Messina via kde wrote:
> > > Problem: installed package maliit-keyboard-2.3.1-8.fc41.x86_64
> > > requires libQt5Gui.so.5()(64bit), but none of the providers can be
> > > installed
> >
> > I don't had problem to update , but #rpm -qf /usr/lib64/libQt5Gui.so.5
> > qt5-qtbase-gui-5.15.15-3.fc41.x86_64
> >
> > please try update qt5-qtbase* first
>
> Thanks Sérgio.  I had missed the OP from November 2024, but my sense of the
> question was question was why there are still kf5 dependencies in Fedora.  It
> appears that maliit-keyboard being a hard "Requires" for plasma-workspace is
> one of the reasons so many kf5 (and qt5) packages are pulled in.
>
> Personlly, it seems like a lot of baggage still hanging around for a feature
> that may not be very widely used considering the question of Qt6 support in
> maliit-keyboard was raised in April 2022 and isn't yet resolved upstream.

It is required for accessibility and touch input devices, and until a
replacement is made, we don't really have another option.

[eddy edpil]

I understand your situation, but why not put it in optional dependencies or something like that.

In order to have a "clean" install , I always use a rawhide netinstall and I spent time to port  my  last qt5 apps to qt6.
And despite that I end up with about forty dependencies (kf5 qt5) because of a Qt6 desktop.
It's almost funny.
Sorry for my english.

[Neal Gompa]

On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 3:47 AM eddy edpil via kde
 wrote:
> I understand your situation, but why not put it in optional dependencies or something like that.
>
> In order to have a "clean" install , I always use a rawhide netinstall and I spent time to port  my  last qt5 apps to qt6.
> And despite that I end up with about forty dependencies (kf5 qt5) because of a Qt6 desktop.
> It's almost funny.
> Sorry for my english.

Because it is not optional. Not having the keyboard is considered
broken according to upstream. A new one is in development, but it'll
be some time before it's ready.

[eddy edpil]

Tell you about that?
Thanks.

https://invent.kde.org/plasma/plasma-keyboard

[Neal Gompa]

On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 8:33 AM eddy edpil via kde
 wrote:
> Tell you about that?
> Thanks.
>
> https://invent.kde.org/plasma/plasma-keyboard

We're waiting on that to be in a ready state to replace
maliit-keyboard, yes. It is brand new and very incomplete right now.

[Steve Cossette]

I actually have a copr with a build of plasma-keyboard, and yes I can
confirm it's incomplete and not functional right now.

On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 8:39 AM Neal Gompa via kde <
[e-mail]> wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 8:33 AM eddy edpil via kde
>  wrote:
> > Tell you about that?
> > Thanks.
> >
> > https://invent.kde.org/plasma/plasma-keyboard
>
> We're waiting on that to be in a ready state to replace
> maliit-keyboard, yes. It is brand new and very incomplete right now.
>
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[Eddy02 Edpil]

Plasma-keyboard is now optional for plasma but I believe there is still a hard dependency in the build that prevents uninstalling maliit-keyboard , especially since it creates lots of crashs in journalctl.
ex: kwin_wayland[9554]: Input Method crashed "maliit-keyboard" QList() 6 QProcess::CrashExit.

--  Information for build plasma-workspace-6.4.4-3.fc43   
      Changelog	    * Tue Aug 26 2025 Steve Cossette  - 6.4.4-3
      - Adding plasma-keyboard as a runtime dependancy

dnf remove maliit-keyboard

Removal of :
 maliit-keyboard                        x86_64          2.3.1-11.fc43                           rawhide              8.7 MiB
Removing dependent packages:
 sddm                                       x86_64              0.21.0-10.fc43                             rawhide              1.7 MiB
 sddm-breeze                            noarch          6.4.4-1.fc43                            rawhide              1.1 MiB
 sddm-kcm                               x86_64          6.4.4-2.fc44                            rawhide            655.2 KiB

it is the sddm-wayland-plasma subpacket that has this dependency.

[Steve Cossette]

Yes, as things stand, plasma-keyboard cannot fully replace maliit-keyboard
on SDDM. Last I heard the reason for it was the PAM config for SDDM can
either take plasma-keyboard or maliit-keyboard not both.

On Thu, Sep 4, 2025 at 12:05 AM Eddy02 Edpil via kde <
[e-mail]> wrote:
> Plasma-keyboard is now optional for plasma but I believe there is still a
> hard dependency in the build that prevents uninstalling maliit-keyboard ,
> especially since it creates lots of crashs in journalctl.
> ex: kwin_wayland[9554]: Input Method crashed "maliit-keyboard" QList() 6
> QProcess::CrashExit.
>
> --  Information for build plasma-workspace-6.4.4-3.fc43
>       Changelog     * Tue Aug 26 2025 Steve Cossette
> 6.4.4-3
>     - Adding plasma-keyboard as a runtime dependancy
>
> dnf remove maliit-keyboard
>
> Removal of :
>  maliit-keyboard                        x86_64          2.3.1-11.fc43
>                      rawhide              8.7 MiB
> Removing dependent packages:
>  sddm                                       x86_64
> 0.21.0-10.fc43                             rawhide              1.7 MiB
>  sddm-breeze                            noarch          6.4.4-1.fc43
>                       rawhide              1.1 MiB
>  sddm-kcm                               x86_64          6.4.4-2.fc44
>                       rawhide            655.2 KiB
> it is the sddm-wayland-plasma subpacket that has this dependency.
>
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[Troy Dawson]

I was looking at seeing how the two keyboards compare and I found that F42
plasma-mobile wouldn't let me switch virtual keyboards.
Both plasma-keyboard and maliit-keyboard showed up in the switchng keyboard
page, but I couldn't select the other keyboard.
I/we need to investigate so when the time comes, we can switch easier.

On Sat, Sep 6, 2025 at 7:08 AM Steve Cossette via kde <
[e-mail]> wrote:
> Yes, as things stand, plasma-keyboard cannot fully replace maliit-keyboard
> on SDDM. Last I heard the reason for it was the PAM config for SDDM can
> either take plasma-keyboard or maliit-keyboard not both.
>
> On Thu, Sep 4, 2025 at 12:05 AM Eddy02 Edpil via kde <
> [e-mail]> wrote:
> > Plasma-keyboard is now optional for plasma but I believe there is still a
> > hard dependency in the build that prevents uninstalling maliit-keyboard ,
> > especially since it creates lots of crashs in journalctl.
> > ex: kwin_wayland[9554]: Input Method crashed "maliit-keyboard" QList() 6
> > QProcess::CrashExit.
> >
> > --  Information for build plasma-workspace-6.4.4-3.fc43
> >       Changelog     * Tue Aug 26 2025 Steve Cossette
> > 6.4.4-3
> >     - Adding plasma-keyboard as a runtime dependancy
> >
> > dnf remove maliit-keyboard
> >
> > Removal of :
> >  maliit-keyboard                        x86_64          2.3.1-11.fc43
> >                        rawhide              8.7 MiB
> > Removing dependent packages:
> >  sddm                                       x86_64
> > 0.21.0-10.fc43                             rawhide              1.7 MiB
> >  sddm-breeze                            noarch          6.4.4-1.fc43
> >                       rawhide              1.1 MiB
> >  sddm-kcm                               x86_64          6.4.4-2.fc44
> >                       rawhide            655.2 KiB
> > it is the sddm-wayland-plasma subpacket that has this dependency.
> >
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