kate and it's chown/chgrp drives me crazy

[Reindl Harald]

i wrote a bugreport *years ago* that kate permanently changes 
onwer/group of files at store and i am really tired of such *major 
usability* bugs

not only when you open a file as root it get owned by root, the same as 
normal user, kate does a 'chgrp' at save (most likely because taht 
stupid tempfile get created with default owner/group/permissions and 
then just renamed)

guess what the result below is and *exactly* the same happens when you 
mount a remote-filesystem with sshfs and edit something with kate

frankly, that whole temp-file stuff is just broken by intention because 
when you don't have write permissions for the parent folder that fails 
while you are even owner of the file you want to edit - and *yes* take 
away write permissions for a folder is the only way to avoid somebody 
just renames a file he must not write to and create a new one with the 
same name

[Tue Dec 01 14:54:43.814602 2015] [core:error] [pid 7495] (13)Permission 
denied: [client 10.0.0.99:25412] AH00132: file permissions deny server 
access: /Volumes/dune/www-servers/contentlounge/cms/contentlounge.js, 
referer: 
http://contentlounge.test.rh/cms/modules/voting_ng/interface_container_fo...


[harry@rh:~]$ stat 
/Volumes/dune/www-servers/contentlounge/cms/contentlounge.js
   Datei: ?/Volumes/dune/www-servers/contentlounge/cms/contentlounge.js?
   Größe: 15222          Blöcke: 32         EA Block: 4096   reguläre Datei
Gerät: 902h/2306d       Inode: 56492839    Verknüpfungen: 1
Zugriff: (0640/-rw-r-----)  Uid: (  500/   harry)   Gid: (   48/  apache)
Zugriff    : 2015-12-01 15:11:12.221155370 +0100
Modifiziert: 2015-12-01 15:10:30.237873256 +0100
Geändert   : 2015-12-01 15:11:11.474150350 +0100
  Geburt    : -

[harry@rh:~]$ stat 
/Volumes/dune/www-servers/contentlounge/cms/contentlounge.js
   Datei: ?/Volumes/dune/www-servers/contentlounge/cms/contentlounge.js?
   Größe: 15220          Blöcke: 32         EA Block: 4096   reguläre Datei
Gerät: 902h/2306d       Inode: 56492631    Verknüpfungen: 1
Zugriff: (0640/-rw-r-----)  Uid: (  500/   harry)   Gid: (  501/verwaltung)
Zugriff    : 2015-12-01 15:11:29.677272664 +0100
Modifiziert: 2015-12-01 15:11:29.584272040 +0100
Geändert   : 2015-12-01 15:11:29.660272550 +0100
  Geburt    : -

[Reindl Harald]

fuck it - nobody sane in his mind can work that way

nobody and nothing has to mangle permissions/owner/group when someone 
edits *existing files* - nobody and really nothing

there is a damned good reason that this file had "apache" as group 
before kate touched it
Access: (0640/-rw-r-----)  Uid: (  500/   harry)   Gid: (  501/verwaltung)

[Mon Dec 07 17:20:52.397428 2015] [core:error] [pid 29675] 
(13)Permission denied: [client 10.0.0.99:58566] AH00132: file 
permissions deny server access: 
/Volumes/dune/www-servers/contentlounge/cms/rte/catalog.js, referer: 
http://contentlounge/cms/rte/catalog.php?targetfield=window.opener.docume...

Am 01.12.2015 um 15:18 schrieb Reindl Harald:
>  i wrote a bugreport *years ago* that kate permanently changes
>  onwer/group of files at store and i am really tired of such *major
>  usability* bugs
>
>  not only when you open a file as root it get owned by root, the same as
>  normal user, kate does a 'chgrp' at save (most likely because taht
>  stupid tempfile get created with default owner/group/permissions and
>  then just renamed)
>
>  guess what the result below is and *exactly* the same happens when you
>  mount a remote-filesystem with sshfs and edit something with kate
>
>  frankly, that whole temp-file stuff is just broken by intention because
>  when you don't have write permissions for the parent folder that fails
>  while you are even owner of the file you want to edit - and *yes* take
>  away write permissions for a folder is the only way to avoid somebody
>  just renames a file he must not write to and create a new one with the
>  same name
>
>  [Tue Dec 01 14:54:43.814602 2015] [core:error] [pid 7495] (13)Permission
>  denied: [client 10.0.0.99:25412] AH00132: file permissions deny server
>  access: /Volumes/dune/www-servers/contentlounge/cms/contentlounge.js,
>  referer:
>
> http://contentlounge.test.rh/cms/modules/voting_ng/interface_container_fo...
>
>
>
>  [harry@rh:~]$ stat
>  /Volumes/dune/www-servers/contentlounge/cms/contentlounge.js
>     Datei: ?/Volumes/dune/www-servers/contentlounge/cms/contentlounge.js?
>     Größe: 15222          Blöcke: 32         EA Block: 4096   reguläre Datei
>  Gerät: 902h/2306d       Inode: 56492839    Verknüpfungen: 1
>  Zugriff: (0640/-rw-r-----)  Uid: (  500/   harry)   Gid: (   48/  apache)
>  Zugriff    : 2015-12-01 15:11:12.221155370 +0100
>  Modifiziert: 2015-12-01 15:10:30.237873256 +0100
>  Geändert   : 2015-12-01 15:11:11.474150350 +0100
>    Geburt    : -
>
>  [harry@rh:~]$ stat
>  /Volumes/dune/www-servers/contentlounge/cms/contentlounge.js
>     Datei: ?/Volumes/dune/www-servers/contentlounge/cms/contentlounge.js?
>     Größe: 15220          Blöcke: 32         EA Block: 4096   reguläre Datei
>  Gerät: 902h/2306d       Inode: 56492631    Verknüpfungen: 1
>  Zugriff: (0640/-rw-r-----)  Uid: (  500/   harry)   Gid: (  501/verwaltung)
>  Zugriff    : 2015-12-01 15:11:29.677272664 +0100
>  Modifiziert: 2015-12-01 15:11:29.584272040 +0100
>  Geändert   : 2015-12-01 15:11:29.660272550 +0100
>    Geburt    : -