On Mon 30 August 2010 13:22:51 Manuel Escudero wrote:
I have installed Fedora 13 Goddard x86_64 in my machine and I've updated to KDE 4.5, in order to run Skype I installed some 32 bit Qt libraries and when I installed the new KDE desktop I had to remove them because KDE 4.4 uses the "1:4.6" version of these libraries and KDE 4.5 the "1:4.7"... Now I have KDE 4.5 and everything is fine but I can't run lastest Skype because it needs the "1:4.6" Qt libraries, it doesn't work with the new ones, but if I remove the new ones and I replace them with the older ones, many apps seem to be "downgraded" or they just don't work anymore... Does this mean we're not having Skype in Fedora 14 KDE Spin as it's going to be based on KDE 4.5?
Many users need skype (in my case I'm running it in a Windows 7 VM) But without it we can't offer reliable "Videocalls" as they're not implemented in IM Clients Linux have.
So, a few things here...
This isn't Ambassadors material, please keep it either on the users@ list or (probably better) the kde@ list, where most KDE and Qt issues are handled. This is most definitely not the place for it, "urgent" or not.
Skype is indeed NOT going to be on the Fedora 14 KDE Spin as it is non-Free software. From my PoV, it's harmful for Ambassadors to promote the use of this software as it encourages lock in to proprietary applications and (probably worse) proprietary protocols. Also, as you can see by your mail, using proprietary applications can be more than a "philosophical" issue, given the breakage you caused yourself by installing it. Imagine telling a new user how to do this, and realizing they have just broken or messed up their installation. Does it really put our distribution in a positive light? You should be encouraging users to embrace Free solutions such as Ekiga softphone, Pidgin and other SIP-based solutions which can be properly packaged for our distribution.
Lastly, Qt is supposed to be backwards compatible, meaning that applications compiled in Qt 4.6 are supposed to work in Qt 4.7, etc... If you have encountered a regression, file a bug at Nokia's Qt bug tracker[1], and let the KDE Fedora list know of the issue. This is not the place to discuss such issues.
[1]: http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/
On 08/30/2010 05:43 PM, Ryan Rix wrote:
On Mon 30 August 2010 13:22:51 Manuel Escudero wrote:
I have installed Fedora 13 Goddard x86_64 in my machine and I've updated to KDE 4.5, in order to run Skype I installed some 32 bit Qt libraries and when I installed the new KDE desktop I had to remove them because KDE 4.4 uses the "1:4.6" version of these libraries and KDE 4.5 the "1:4.7"... Now I have KDE 4.5 and everything is fine but I can't run lastest Skype because it needs the "1:4.6" Qt libraries, it doesn't work with the new ones, but if I remove the new ones and I replace them with the older ones, many apps seem to be "downgraded" or they just don't work anymore... Does this mean we're not having Skype in Fedora 14 KDE Spin as it's going to be based on KDE 4.5?
Many users need skype (in my case I'm running it in a Windows 7 VM) But without it we can't offer reliable "Videocalls" as they're not implemented in IM Clients Linux have.
So, a few things here...
This isn't Ambassadors material, please keep it either on the users@ list or (probably better) the kde@ list, where most KDE and Qt issues are handled. This is most definitely not the place for it, "urgent" or not.
Skype is indeed NOT going to be on the Fedora 14 KDE Spin as it is non-Free software. From my PoV, it's harmful for Ambassadors to promote the use of this software as it encourages lock in to proprietary applications and (probably worse) proprietary protocols. Also, as you can see by your mail, using proprietary applications can be more than a "philosophical" issue, given the breakage you caused yourself by installing it. Imagine telling a new user how to do this, and realizing they have just broken or messed up their installation. Does it really put our distribution in a positive light? You should be encouraging users to embrace Free solutions such as Ekiga softphone, Pidgin and other SIP-based solutions which can be properly packaged for our distribution.
Lastly, Qt is supposed to be backwards compatible, meaning that applications compiled in Qt 4.6 are supposed to work in Qt 4.7, etc... If you have encountered a regression, file a bug at Nokia's Qt bug tracker[1], and let the KDE Fedora list know of the issue. This is not the place to discuss such issues.
Not to promote Skype, but I have no problems running Skype with:
qt-4.7.0-0.27.rc1.fc13.x86_64 qt-4.7.0-0.27.rc1.fc13.i686
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