10:17 a.m.
anybody except me which can't connect to facebookchat any longer on F19
with 4.11.1 while XMPP/Jabber in fact works because it happily connects
to our internal prosody server?
the facebook connection always says "connecting" in kopete while
netstat shows it *is* connected but refuse to talk for whatever
reason
11:05 a.m.
On Friday 13 September 2013 17:17:36 Reindl Harald wrote:
anybody except me which can't connect to facebookchat any longer
on F19
with 4.11.1 while XMPP/Jabber in fact works because it happily connects
to our internal prosody server?
the facebook connection always says "connecting" in kopete while
netstat shows it *is* connected but refuse to talk for whatever
reason
I read this recently on kde planet:
http://www.sharpley.org.uk/blog/facebook-problems
it seems to be related to the problems you report.
Regards,
--
José Abílio
2:36 p.m.
Am 13.09.2013 18:05, schrieb José Matos:
On Friday 13 September 2013 17:17:36 Reindl Harald wrote:
> anybody except me which can't connect to facebookchat any longer on F19
> with 4.11.1 while XMPP/Jabber in fact works because it happily connects
> to our internal prosody server?
>
> the facebook connection always says "connecting" in kopete while
> netstat shows it *is* connected but refuse to talk for whatever
> reason
>
I read this recently on kde planet:
http://www.sharpley.org.uk/blog/facebook-problems
it seems to be related to the problems you report
kopete != telepathy
the really interesting is that while kopete claims that
it is connecting for days and not showing online contacts
yesterday i used facebook chat from the andoid phone and
after coming come kopete sowhed all anserws of the other
person while still claim it is connecting
so there is some stupidity in kopete on KDE 4.11 while
with Fedora 18 it had not such issue
12:22 p.m.
Reindl Harald wrote:
anybody except me which can't connect to facebookchat any longer
on F19
with 4.11.1 while XMPP/Jabber in fact works because it happily connects
to our internal prosody server?
the facebook connection always says "connecting" in kopete while
netstat shows it *is* connected but refuse to talk for whatever
reason
Looks like this bug,
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=324937
-- Rex
12:58 p.m.
Am 18.09.2013 19:22, schrieb Rex Dieter:
Reindl Harald wrote:
> anybody except me which can't connect to facebookchat any longer on F19
> with 4.11.1 while XMPP/Jabber in fact works because it happily connects
> to our internal prosody server?
>
> the facebook connection always says "connecting" in kopete while
> netstat shows it *is* connected but refuse to talk for whatever
> reason
Looks like this bug,
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=324937
as far as i can say - yes
would be nice to have this somehow fixed in the 4.11 builds
not that my life depends on facebookchat but some persons
are easier to reach and i do not want ktp for now because
for me the dependency chain for a simple chat is unacceptable
ktp finally pulls gtk-deps and whatelse while i try to keep
my systems as tiny as possible and whereever i can KDE/QT only
1:35 p.m.
Am 18.09.2013 20:01, schrieb Rex Dieter:
On 09/18/2013 12:58 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> ktp finally pulls gtk-dep
Like what?
maybe this has changed in F19
52 MB is still far too much for a messenger given that
Apache/PHP does fit in this space and is much more complex
the last time i tried it because kopete for now does not support
filetransfers i was unable to connect to facebookchat or our own
jabber server and the fact that it does not minimize to systray
and close the contact list doe snot behave like kopete makes it
unuseable for me
with what i could libe is kopete using telepathy backends
and not change the user interface/behaviour with only really
needed dependencies (gnupnp is nothing i want on my systems)
[root@srv-rhsoft:/fileserver/yum-repo/fc18/x86_64]$ yum install ktp-common-internals
ktp-contact-list
ktp-contact-runner ktp-filetransfer-handler telepathy-gabble
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ktp-contact-list x86_64
0.6.3-1.fc19
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ktp-contact-runner x86_64
0.6.3-1.fc19
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ktp-filetransfer-handler x86_64
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telepathy-gabble x86_64
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0.6.31-11.fc19 fedora
33 k
cyrus-sasl-scram x86_64
2.1.26-9.fc19
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farstream x86_64
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gupnp x86_64
0.20.6-1.fc19
updates-testing
92 k
gupnp-igd x86_64
0.2.2-1.fc19
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27 k
ktp-accounts-kcm x86_64
0.6.3-1.fc19
updates
434 k
libnice x86_64
0.1.3-2.fc19
fedora
127 k
libpurple x86_64
2.10.7-3.fc19
updates
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libsilc x86_64
1.1.10-8.fc19
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qt-gstreamer x86_64
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telepathy-filesystem noarch
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0.20.4-1.fc19
updates
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0.7.0-3.fc19
fedora
87 k
telepathy-logger x86_64
0.8.0-2.fc19
fedora
97 k
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0.8.0-1.fc19
fedora
67 k
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0.8.1-2.fc19
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Transaction Summary
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Install 5 Packages (+22 Dependent packages)
Total download size: 13 M
Installed size: 52 M
Is this ok [y/d/N]:
3:36 a.m.
On Wednesday 18 of September 2013 20:35:38 Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 18.09.2013 20:01, schrieb Rex Dieter:
> On 09/18/2013 12:58 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> ktp finally pulls gtk-dep
>
> Like what?
maybe this has changed in F19
52 MB is still far too much for a messenger given that
Apache/PHP does fit in this space and is much more complex
the last time i tried it because kopete for now does not support
filetransfers i was unable to connect to facebookchat
That might have been because of Facebook migrating to new servers - many
people had problems. Now it works again.
or our own jabber server
That's weird. Maybe you need to disable SSL, or enable "Ignore SSL errors"?
and the fact that it does not minimize to systray
and close the contact list doe snot behave like kopete makes it
unuseable for me
If the concern is about staying online, when KTp contactlist is closed you are
/not/ disconnected. The connection is maintained by Telepathy in the
background.
You can also add "Presence Applet" to systray, which will show your presence
(status), allows to change it via popup menu and when you left-click the
applet, it will open the contact list (so you get effectively the same behavior
as with Kopete). Additionally there's a Plasma applet with contact list that
can be nicely embedded into the panel so you don't even need to open a new
window.
with what i could libe is kopete using telepathy backends
and not change the user interface/behaviour with only really
needed dependencies (gnupnp is nothing i want on my systems)
Not sure how that would help - most of the 52MB is taken by Telepathy and it's
dependencies. KTp itself is quite small (and you can uninstall parts you don't
need).
Looking at the dependencies, it's a bit unfortunate that ktp-accounts-kcm
pulls in so many Telepathy backends - most people could probably do just with
telepathy-gabble (XMPP)...
Also please note that Kopete is considered unmaintained (although there were a
few patches in 4.11) and it's future (longterm) is unclear.
Cheers,
Dan
--
Daniel Vrátil
KDE Desktop Team
Associate Software Engineer, Red Hat, Inc.
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8:58 a.m.
sadly 4.1..2 suffers the same problem...........
Am 19.09.2013 10:36, schrieb Daniel Vrátil:
On Wednesday 18 of September 2013 20:35:38 Reindl Harald wrote:
> Am 18.09.2013 20:01, schrieb Rex Dieter:
>> On 09/18/2013 12:58 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>>> ktp finally pulls gtk-dep
>>
>> Like what?
>
> maybe this has changed in F19
>
> 52 MB is still far too much for a messenger given that
> Apache/PHP does fit in this space and is much more complex
>
> the last time i tried it because kopete for now does not support
> filetransfers i was unable to connect to facebookchat
That might have been because of Facebook migrating to new servers - many
people had problems. Now it works again.
while at the same time kopete worked?
i do not need a *multi* protocol messenger when i
need for each service a different one
> or our own jabber server
That's weird. Maybe you need to disable SSL, or enable "Ignore SSL errors"?
i do not take a application serious which doe snot ask in case
of a self-signed certificate like browsers and mail clients
do over decades nor do i buy certificates for LAN services
> and the fact that it does not minimize to systray
> and close the contact list doe snot behave like kopete makes it
> unuseable for me
If the concern is about staying online, when KTp contactlist is closed you are
/not/ disconnected. The connection is maintained by Telepathy in the
background.
You can also add "Presence Applet" to systray, which will show your presence
(status), allows to change it via popup menu and when you left-click the
applet, it will open the contact list (so you get effectively the same behavior
as with Kopete). Additionally there's a Plasma applet with contact list that
can be nicely embedded into the panel so you don't even need to open a new
window.
a desktop application tehse days needs proper usability
out-of-the-box and not force the user to search manually
for plasma addons
> with what i could libe is kopete using telepathy backends
> and not change the user interface/behaviour with only really
> needed dependencies (gnupnp is nothing i want on my systems)
Not sure how that would help - most of the 52MB is taken by Telepathy and it's
dependencies. KTp itself is quite small (and you can uninstall parts you don't
need).
Looking at the dependencies, it's a bit unfortunate that ktp-accounts-kcm
pulls in so many Telepathy backends - most people could probably do just with
telepathy-gabble (XMPP)...
exactly that is my point
all these sub-packages are completly nonsense as long there are
endless dependency chains pulling them all
Also please note that Kopete is considered unmaintained (although
there were a
few patches in 4.11) and it's future (longterm) is unclear
i am aware of this and it makes me very unhappy that the one
mesenger with a perfect UI and only missing some features
like video-chat is dying and the other is no useable replacement
for now nor that i want the GNOME alternatives on my system
if i could i would do "yum remove \*gtk\*"
2:22 p.m.
Am 13.09.2013 17:17, schrieb Reindl Harald:
anybody except me which can't connect to facebookchat any longer
on F19
with 4.11.1 while XMPP/Jabber in fact works because it happily connects
to our internal prosody server?
the facebook connection always says "connecting" in kopete while
netstat shows it *is* connected but refuse to talk for whatever
reason
kde 4.11.3 from kde-testing (brand new) is fixing this
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