Am I alone in finding what I see on the screen when re-booting very drab, and much inferior to what Fedora/KDE used to provide?
Is it possible to choose a more interesting non-default setup? I find the slowly filling horizontal line under the K icon particularly boring; it makes the Microsoft rotating circle seem like an exciting entry into the Windows world.
In older versions of Fedora/KDE various icons used to appear in order, showing what was happening at that moment during the re-boot.
I've always thought it was a selling-point of Linux that it wasn't a black box, one could see (if one wished) what is going on.
Am 23.07.2016 um 16:55 schrieb Timothy Murphy:
I've always thought it was a selling-point of Linux that it wasn't a black box
it isn't
one could see (if one wished) what is going on
you don't wish - otherwise you would just remove "qiet" and "rhgb" from your boot configuration and add "rd.plymouth=0 plymouth.enable=0" followed by a "drcaut -f" and "grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg" as i do for 10 years now (for the first two parts)
On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 8:13 AM, Reindl Harald h.reindl@thelounge.net wrote:
you don't wish - otherwise you would just remove "qiet" and "rhgb" from your boot configuration and add "rd.plymouth=0 plymouth.enable=0" followed by a "drcaut -f" and "grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg" as i do for 10 years now (for the first two parts)
You can also just hit the ESC key after the boot selection and it will show you the output. That way, you see it when you're interested, and not if you aren't.
On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 2:09 PM, Gerald B. Cox gbcox@bzb.us wrote:
On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 8:13 AM, Reindl Harald h.reindl@thelounge.net wrote:
you don't wish - otherwise you would just remove "qiet" and "rhgb" from your boot configuration and add "rd.plymouth=0 plymouth.enable=0" followed by a "drcaut -f" and "grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg" as i do for 10 years now (for the first two parts)
You can also just hit the ESC key after the boot selection and it will show you the output. That way, you see it when you're interested, and not if you aren't.
For EFI systems you need to: grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/efi/EFI/fedora/grub.cfg
Also, I was getting all kinds of "grub2 4096 sector unsupported errors" when running grub2-mkconfig. Found this bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=743136
It was suppose to have been fixed, but obviously not. If you get the error, it is recommended to add this line to your /etc/default/grub: GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER="true" per: https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2016-January/157022.html
On Saturday, 23 July 2016 14:09:15 BST Gerald B. Cox wrote:
On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 8:13 AM, Reindl Harald h.reindl@thelounge.net
wrote:
you don't wish - otherwise you would just remove "qiet" and "rhgb" from your boot configuration and add "rd.plymouth=0 plymouth.enable=0" followed by a "drcaut -f" and "grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg" as i do for 10 years now (for the first two parts)
You can also just hit the ESC key after the boot selection and it will show you the output. That way, you see it when you're interested, and not if you aren't.
I think Tim was talking about the Splash Screen when KDE starts? And yes they are all quite basic looking now with no option now to download new splash screens.
Its only "eye candy" though.
Colin
On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Colin J Thomson colin.thomson@g6avk.co.uk wrote:
I think Tim was talking about the Splash Screen when KDE starts? And yes they are all quite basic looking now with no option now to download new splash screens.
Its only "eye candy" though.
Yeah, I think minimalism is the new style of things. Look at IOS, Android, MacOS, Windows... even corporate logos...
Am 23.07.2016 um 23:33 schrieb Colin J Thomson:
On Saturday, 23 July 2016 14:09:15 BST Gerald B. Cox wrote:
On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 8:13 AM, Reindl Harald h.reindl@thelounge.net
wrote:
you don't wish - otherwise you would just remove "qiet" and "rhgb" from your boot configuration and add "rd.plymouth=0 plymouth.enable=0" followed by a "drcaut -f" and "grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg" as i do for 10 years now (for the first two parts)
You can also just hit the ESC key after the boot selection and it will show you the output. That way, you see it when you're interested, and not if you aren't.
I think Tim was talking about the Splash Screen when KDE starts? And yes they are all quite basic looking now with no option now to download new splash screens
after the bug last year that it took virtually forever was gone i disabled that splash screens just because while the desktop is initialized in background i can already enter my passphrase for the ssh-key shortly followed by kwallet and firefox which is in autostart
that way the whole "login and ready to work" is way faster (disclaimer: 5 years old machine and it takes a few seconds)
On 23/07/16 22:09, Gerald B. Cox wrote:
On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 8:13 AM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl@thelounge.net mailto:h.reindl@thelounge.net> wrote:
you don't wish - otherwise you would just remove "qiet" and "rhgb" from your boot configuration and add "rd.plymouth=0 plymouth.enable=0" followed by a "drcaut -f" and "grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg" as i do for 10 years now (for the first two parts)You can also just hit the ESC key after the boot selection and it will show you the output. That way, you see it when you're interested, and not if you aren't.
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I also think it is far to basic and simplistic though, part of the current bad trend in my eyes. My young daughter has got bitten by this. Her machine was slow booting stuck with the bar 3/4 of the way through. So she reset it and it was the same, tried resetting at this stage again a few times. It was doing an fsck ... Just a few lines of text description of what is going on below, the bar, by default with system configurable option to show the full works in the GUI, would be much better and educational. Even a bit of text saying "press the Escape key for more information" would be better.
Timothy Murphy composed on 2016-07-23 16:55 (UTC+0200):
Am I alone in finding what I see on the screen when re-booting very drab, and much inferior to what Fedora/KDE used to provide?
You're not.
Is it possible to choose a more interesting non-default setup?
I found Elarun less juvenile looking than Breeze. I find everything better than Breeze.
I find the slowly filling horizontal line under the K icon particularly boring;
+1, though better than nothing at all indicating startup progress.
On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 9:07 AM, Felix Miata mrmazda@earthlink.net wrote:
I found Elarun less juvenile looking than Breeze. I find everything better than Breeze.
Hey now... let's now pick on Breeze... I actually like it. ;-)
On Saturday 23 July 2016 2:11:53 PM IST Gerald B. Cox wrote:
Hey now... let's now pick on Breeze... I actually like it. ;-)
Breeze is a nice addition. Most welcoming but recently I am feeling it's being over engineered.
Every color doesn't have to be a shade of blue. Take for example KMail, unread messages are some shade of blue/green on white screen. Unread message count is yellow on blue background. Quotes are green on white.
It feel like KMail color scheme is being designed for primary school kids.
All of these light-on-light color schemes are very bad for eyes. It puts too much strain on my eyes.
Sudhir Khanger composed on 2016-07-24 10:35 (UTC+0530):
Gerald B. Cox wrote:
Hey now... let's now pick on Breeze... I actually like it. ;-)
Breeze is a nice addition. Most welcoming but recently I am feeling it's being over engineered.
Every color doesn't have to be a shade of blue. Take for example KMail, unread messages are some shade of blue/green on white screen. Unread message count is yellow on blue background. Quotes are green on white.
It feel like KMail color scheme is being designed for primary school kids.
All of these light-on-light color schemes are very bad for eyes. It puts too much strain on my eyes.
Exactly, like much too much of today's Internet, only the Internet is worse because of its pervasive mousetype.
So what is it that makes Breeze a "nice addition"?
Am 24.07.2016 um 07:49 schrieb Felix Miata:
So what is it that makes Breeze a "nice addition"?
some people hope that drive linux desktops in the direction of OSX or Windows will bring a better marketshare - the opposite is true - we don't need a imitation of bad systems otherwise we could use them directly
these days there are even people willing to *sacrifice the whole ecosystem* like on devel a core gnome maintainer even proposed if upstream asks for it he supports even to remove the fedora rpm and point to the upstream flatpack
-------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht -------- Betreff: Re: Fedora development of Snap packages Datum: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 15:02:29 -0500 Von: Michael Catanzaro mcatanzaro@gnome.org Antwort an: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org An: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
On Tue, 2016-06-14 at 15:40 -0400, Ben Rosser wrote:
This is a slight tangent, but by "remove Fedora packages", do you mean actually remove them from the distribution entirely or simply not show the packaged version in e.g. GNOME Software in favor of the upstream Flatpak? The latter makes sense to me, the former seems potentially controversial.
I was thinking remove the Fedora package. What's the point in maintaining a secret Fedora package for a graphical app, when we're going to be presenting a different version of that app to users? And as Josh says, this would also create confusion regarding where to report bugs, and also confusion when users have two different sets of bugs depending on whether you use a Fedora package or the upstream Flatpak. But maybe we will need to keep the Fedora packages to support spins, e.g. we probably don't want to start removing packages before KDE grows support for Flatpaks in its graphical installer.
On Sunday 24 July 2016 1:49:18 AM IST Felix Miata wrote:
So what is it that makes Breeze a "nice addition"?
This is a complex question. Unlike other people I don't have a hardline view of how Plasma should be a concept from some old school Linux and old school Linux should be something from old school Unix.
I want my desktop to be clean, modern, and consistent. I think Breeze is a step in that direction. VDG is a very perceptive group. They are even more perceptive if you are willing to contribute in some form. It's a good thing that developers are thinking about design. You have to give credit where it's due.
User interface and usability is extremely hard. It's like walking with three legs. It is simply hard to do it perfectly and make everyone happy.
If you don't like don't like anything in particular it would be a lot more beneficial if you were to create a thread in VDG section of KDE Forums. I do it all the time.
Sudhir Khanger composed on 2016-07-24 15:43 (UTC+0530):
If you don't like don't like anything in particular it would be a lot more beneficial if you were to create a thread in VDG section of KDE Forums.
https://forum.kde.org/viewforum.php?f=285 demonstrates the heritage of what's wrong with Breeze:
0-http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/kdeVDGforum-201607-120.jpg 1-gray text instead of black 2-low contrast pastel colors 3-vast overabundance of whitespace 4-mousetype (rude, like the majority of the Internet: browser defaults disregarded by specifying base and other font sizes in px) 5-legibility conspicuously absent from HIG->Style pointed to from one of its stickies: https://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Usability/HIG/Style
IOW, it's a hostile place to any but those with the best eyes, low density screens, and high patience, obviously produced by progenitor of Breeze theme.
On Sunday, July 24, 2016 10:35:51 AM WEST Sudhir Khanger wrote:
Breeze is a nice addition. Most welcoming but recently I am feeling it's being over engineered.
Every color doesn't have to be a shade of blue. Take for example KMail, unread messages are some shade of blue/green on white screen. Unread message count is yellow on blue background. Quotes are green on white.
It feel like KMail color scheme is being designed for primary school kids.
All of these light-on-light color schemes are very bad for eyes. It puts too much strain on my eyes.
Since I run a dark theme I really like the kmail colors. :-)
On Sunday 24 July 2016 11:35:57 AM IST José Abílio Matos wrote:
Since I run a dark theme I really like the kmail colors. :-)
The problem with dark theme is that a lot of emails I recieve have hard coded html colors in them which look all weird in dark theme.
On Sunday, 24 July 2016 11:35:57 BST José Abílio Matos wrote:
On Sunday, July 24, 2016 10:35:51 AM WEST Sudhir Khanger wrote:
Breeze is a nice addition. Most welcoming but recently I am feeling it's being over engineered.
Every color doesn't have to be a shade of blue. Take for example KMail, unread messages are some shade of blue/green on white screen. Unread message count is yellow on blue background. Quotes are green on white.
It feel like KMail color scheme is being designed for primary school kids.
All of these light-on-light color schemes are very bad for eyes. It puts too much strain on my eyes.
Since I run a dark theme I really like the kmail colors. :-)
I have to agree, using the dark theme here as well :) There are some occasions an HTML Email is unredable but that is for a new thread.
Colin
Timothy Murphy wrote:
I find the slowly filling horizontal line under the K icon particularly boring; it makes the Microsoft rotating circle seem like an exciting entry into the Windows world.
I like it. It's short and sweet and you know that something is happening. Lately, though, it never makes it all the way to the end before the desktop arrives. I'm always left wondering if something didn't get loaded :-(
In older versions of Fedora/KDE various icons used to
appear in order,
showing what was happening at that moment during the re-
boot.
I always hated those icons :-( I found them tired and not indicative of what was going on at that particular point in time—and the final one wasn't even a part of the set: it was an oversized KDE icon. I think they were holdovers from the 1990s.
I'll take that slick and matter-of-fact bar and the pretty background image any day. And with the background images to all components—grub (mine is not graphical), gdm/sddm and the desktop all the same, the entire system looks mature, modern, polished and professional. I think the art or graphic sig deserves credit for having created a successful unified look.
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