2:12 a.m.
I allowed the automatic update on the netbook last night. All seemed to go
well up to and including the message that it was finishing off the install.
When next I looked I had a black screen with a white square cursor. I left
this overnight, in case something was still running in the background, but it
wasn't.
A reboot brought the same display. I was able to get a level3 login, both as
user and root. Can someone advise me where to look now? Thanks
Anne
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2:33 a.m.
On Tuesday 23 June 2009 10:12:45 Anne Wilson wrote:
I allowed the automatic update on the netbook last night. All seemed
to go
well up to and including the message that it was finishing off the install.
When next I looked I had a black screen with a white square cursor. I left
this overnight, in case something was still running in the background, but it
wasn't.
A reboot brought the same display. I was able to get a level3 login, both as
user and root. Can someone advise me where to look now? Thanks
Anne
What happens in lvl3 when you run startx?
Eli
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On Tuesday 23 June 2009 08:33:33 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
On Tuesday 23 June 2009 10:12:45 Anne Wilson wrote:
> I allowed the automatic update on the netbook last night. All seemed to
> go well up to and including the message that it was finishing off the
> install. When next I looked I had a black screen with a white square
> cursor. I left this overnight, in case something was still running in
> the background, but it wasn't.
>
> A reboot brought the same display. I was able to get a level3 login,
> both as user and root. Can someone advise me where to look now? Thanks
>
> Anne
What happens in lvl3 when you run startx?
kstartupconfig4 does not exist or aills. The error code is 127. Che
and there seems to be no way to resize the panel to see the rest of the
message.
Anne
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On Tuesday 23 June 2009 08:33:33 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
On Tuesday 23 June 2009 10:12:45 Anne Wilson wrote:
> I allowed the automatic update on the netbook last night. All seemed to
> go well up to and including the message that it was finishing off the
> install. When next I looked I had a black screen with a white square
> cursor. I left this overnight, in case something was still running in
> the background, but it wasn't.
>
> A reboot brought the same display. I was able to get a level3 login,
> both as user and root. Can someone advise me where to look now? Thanks
>
> Anne
What happens in lvl3 when you run startx?
After I close the box previously reported I see lines that include
Is GTK+ supported: no
Is Qt supported: no #which probably explains something :-)
....
kstartupconfig4: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.7: cannot
open shared object file: No such file or directory
FreeType: couldn't open face /usr/share/fonts/cjkuni/ukai.ttc: 1
Warning Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion
Warning: Unable to load any usable fontset
Waiting for X server to shut down Dropping master
So I guess this explains what's happening. Now I presume I have to install
additional packages to correct these. Can you tell me which packages? Thanks
Anne
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2009/6/23 Anne Wilson <cannewilson(a)googlemail.com>:
kstartupconfig4: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.7: cannot
open shared object file: No such file or directory
That looks like it may be the primary error. libssl.so.7 is not
provided (as far as I can tell) by any package in Fedora 11 (is that
the version you're running?). /usr/lib/libssl.so.8 (note the digit) is
provided by openssl-0.9.8k-5.fc11, but there's nothing providing the
.7 version any more.
I don't even know what might be wanting to use that old library. Have
you tried "package-cleanup --problems" to see if anything is messed up
dependency-wise?
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6:40 a.m.
On Tuesday 23 June 2009 09:38:32 Mary Ellen Foster wrote:
2009/6/23 Anne Wilson <cannewilson(a)googlemail.com>:
> kstartupconfig4: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.7:
> cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
That looks like it may be the primary error. libssl.so.7 is not
provided (as far as I can tell) by any package in Fedora 11 (is that
the version you're running?). /usr/lib/libssl.so.8 (note the digit) is
provided by openssl-0.9.8k-5.fc11, but there's nothing providing the
.7 version any more.
I don't even know what might be wanting to use that old library. Have
you tried "package-cleanup --problems" to see if anything is messed up
dependency-wise?
That's a command I've never used/needed before. It gives me a huge list of
missing dependencies. I'll try to install them now.
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On Tuesday 23 June 2009 11:30:20 Anne Wilson wrote:
On Tuesday 23 June 2009 08:33:33 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> On Tuesday 23 June 2009 10:12:45 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > I allowed the automatic update on the netbook last night. All seemed to
> > go well up to and including the message that it was finishing off the
> > install. When next I looked I had a black screen with a white square
> > cursor. I left this overnight, in case something was still running in
> > the background, but it wasn't.
> >
> > A reboot brought the same display. I was able to get a level3 login,
> > both as user and root. Can someone advise me where to look now? Thanks
> >
> > Anne
>
> What happens in lvl3 when you run startx?
>
After I close the box previously reported I see lines that include
Is GTK+ supported: no
Is Qt supported: no #which probably explains something :-)
....
kstartupconfig4: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.7: cannot
open shared object file: No such file or directory
FreeType: couldn't open face /usr/share/fonts/cjkuni/ukai.ttc: 1
Warning Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion
Warning: Unable to load any usable fontset
Waiting for X server to shut down Dropping master
So I guess this explains what's happening. Now I presume I have to install
additional packages to correct these. Can you tell me which packages? Thanks
Anne
How did you upgrade you're system? If you used yum, then what happens when you run
yum-complete-transaction?
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On Tuesday 23 June 2009 10:02:05 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
On Tuesday 23 June 2009 11:30:20 Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Tuesday 23 June 2009 08:33:33 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > On Tuesday 23 June 2009 10:12:45 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > I allowed the automatic update on the netbook last night. All seemed
> > > to go well up to and including the message that it was finishing off
> > > the install. When next I looked I had a black screen with a white
> > > square cursor. I left this overnight, in case something was still
> > > running in the background, but it wasn't.
> > >
> > > A reboot brought the same display. I was able to get a level3 login,
> > > both as user and root. Can someone advise me where to look now?
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Anne
> >
> > What happens in lvl3 when you run startx?
>
> After I close the box previously reported I see lines that include
>
> Is GTK+ supported: no
> Is Qt supported: no #which probably explains something :-)
> ....
> kstartupconfig4: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.7:
> cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
> FreeType: couldn't open face /usr/share/fonts/cjkuni/ukai.ttc: 1
> Warning Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion
> Warning: Unable to load any usable fontset
>
> Waiting for X server to shut down Dropping master
>
> So I guess this explains what's happening. Now I presume I have to
> install additional packages to correct these. Can you tell me which
> packages? Thanks
>
> Anne
How did you upgrade you're system? If you used yum, then what happens when
you run yum-complete-transaction?
The updated daemon told me that an upgrade is available, and launched the
wizard. See my reply to MEF
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6:49 a.m.
On Tuesday 23 June 2009 10:02:05 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
On Tuesday 23 June 2009 11:30:20 Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Tuesday 23 June 2009 08:33:33 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > On Tuesday 23 June 2009 10:12:45 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > I allowed the automatic update on the netbook last night. All seemed
> > > to go well up to and including the message that it was finishing off
> > > the install. When next I looked I had a black screen with a white
> > > square cursor. I left this overnight, in case something was still
> > > running in the background, but it wasn't.
> > >
> > > A reboot brought the same display. I was able to get a level3 login,
> > > both as user and root. Can someone advise me where to look now?
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Anne
> >
> > What happens in lvl3 when you run startx?
>
> After I close the box previously reported I see lines that include
>
> Is GTK+ supported: no
> Is Qt supported: no #which probably explains something :-)
> ....
> kstartupconfig4: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.7:
> cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
> FreeType: couldn't open face /usr/share/fonts/cjkuni/ukai.ttc: 1
> Warning Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion
> Warning: Unable to load any usable fontset
>
> Waiting for X server to shut down Dropping master
>
> So I guess this explains what's happening. Now I presume I have to
> install additional packages to correct these. Can you tell me which
> packages? Thanks
>
> Anne
How did you upgrade you're system? If you used yum, then what happens when
you run yum-complete-transaction?
Eli
Updating the metadata was one display that seemed to go on a long time. I now
find that it is still trying to update from the F10 repos. How/where can I
get the release packages to change this?
Anne
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7:12 a.m.
On Tuesday 23 June 2009 14:49:01 Anne Wilson wrote:
On Tuesday 23 June 2009 10:02:05 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> On Tuesday 23 June 2009 11:30:20 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > On Tuesday 23 June 2009 08:33:33 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 23 June 2009 10:12:45 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > > I allowed the automatic update on the netbook last night. All
seemed
> > > > to go well up to and including the message that it was finishing off
> > > > the install. When next I looked I had a black screen with a white
> > > > square cursor. I left this overnight, in case something was still
> > > > running in the background, but it wasn't.
> > > >
> > > > A reboot brought the same display. I was able to get a level3
login,
> > > > both as user and root. Can someone advise me where to look now?
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > Anne
> > >
> > > What happens in lvl3 when you run startx?
> >
> > After I close the box previously reported I see lines that include
> >
> > Is GTK+ supported: no
> > Is Qt supported: no #which probably explains something :-)
> > ....
> > kstartupconfig4: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.7:
> > cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
> > FreeType: couldn't open face /usr/share/fonts/cjkuni/ukai.ttc: 1
> > Warning Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion
> > Warning: Unable to load any usable fontset
> >
> > Waiting for X server to shut down Dropping master
> >
> > So I guess this explains what's happening. Now I presume I have to
> > install additional packages to correct these. Can you tell me which
> > packages? Thanks
> >
> > Anne
>
> How did you upgrade you're system? If you used yum, then what happens when
> you run yum-complete-transaction?
>
> Eli
Updating the metadata was one display that seemed to go on a long time. I now
find that it is still trying to update from the F10 repos. How/where can I
get the release packages to change this?
Anne
Depending on your installation
http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/11/Fedora/x86...
or
http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/11/Fedora/i38...
One other thing.. You should make sure that you're *.rep files under /etc/yum.repos.d
have not been configured so that they are only able to get things from the Fedora 10 repos
that is
where on the line baseurl and / or mirrorlist where it should read "$releasever"
it says "10"
Eli
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On Tuesday 23 June 2009 13:12:31 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
On Tuesday 23 June 2009 14:49:01 Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Tuesday 23 June 2009 10:02:05 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > On Tuesday 23 June 2009 11:30:20 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 23 June 2009 08:33:33 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday 23 June 2009 10:12:45 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > > > I allowed the automatic update on the netbook last night. All
> > > > > seemed to go well up to and including the message that it was
> > > > > finishing off the install. When next I looked I had a black
> > > > > screen with a white square cursor. I left this overnight, in
> > > > > case something was still running in the background, but it
> > > > > wasn't.
> > > > >
> > > > > A reboot brought the same display. I was able to get a level3
> > > > > login, both as user and root. Can someone advise me where to
> > > > > look now? Thanks
> > > > >
> > > > > Anne
> > > >
> > > > What happens in lvl3 when you run startx?
> > >
> > > After I close the box previously reported I see lines that include
> > >
> > > Is GTK+ supported: no
> > > Is Qt supported: no #which probably explains something :-)
> > > ....
> > > kstartupconfig4: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.7:
> > > cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
> > > FreeType: couldn't open face /usr/share/fonts/cjkuni/ukai.ttc: 1
> > > Warning Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion
> > > Warning: Unable to load any usable fontset
> > >
> > > Waiting for X server to shut down Dropping master
> > >
> > > So I guess this explains what's happening. Now I presume I have to
> > > install additional packages to correct these. Can you tell me which
> > > packages? Thanks
> > >
> > > Anne
> >
> > How did you upgrade you're system? If you used yum, then what happens
> > when you run yum-complete-transaction?
> >
> > Eli
>
> Updating the metadata was one display that seemed to go on a long time.
> I now find that it is still trying to update from the F10 repos.
> How/where can I get the release packages to change this?
>
> Anne
Depending on your installation
http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/11/Fedora/x86_6
4/os/Packages/fedora-release-11-1.noarch.rpm
or
http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/11/Fedora/i386/
os/Packages/fedora-release-11-1.noarch.rpm
I grabbed that on this laptop and put it on a pendrive, but so far haven't
figured out how to identify the pendrive and mount it.
One other thing.. You should make sure that you're *.rep files under
/etc/yum.repos.d have not been configured so that they are only able to get
things from the Fedora 10 repos that is
where on the line baseurl and / or mirrorlist where it should read
"$releasever" it says "10"
No, they weren't, but that made me think of temporarily changing the repos to
11 instead of releasever. That didn't work. Presumably the url has changed
(urlopen error). I thought I had vi'd every repo, disabling everything except
fedora.repo and fedora-updates.repo, setting them to use '11', but no joy -
I'm still seeing F10 packages found. I don't mind using the command line but
there is simply no quick way of finding out which repo is still enabled.
I hate being beaten, but this is wasting a huge amount o time. I think it
would be quicker to download the DVD and start afresh.
Anne
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12:17 p.m.
On Tuesday 23 June 2009 16:39:51 Anne Wilson wrote:
On Tuesday 23 June 2009 13:12:31 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> On Tuesday 23 June 2009 14:49:01 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > On Tuesday 23 June 2009 10:02:05 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 23 June 2009 11:30:20 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday 23 June 2009 08:33:33 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday 23 June 2009 10:12:45 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > > > > I allowed the automatic update on the netbook last night.
All
> > > > > > seemed to go well up to and including the message that it
was
> > > > > > finishing off the install. When next I looked I had a
black
> > > > > > screen with a white square cursor. I left this overnight,
in
> > > > > > case something was still running in the background, but it
> > > > > > wasn't.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A reboot brought the same display. I was able to get a
level3
> > > > > > login, both as user and root. Can someone advise me where
to
> > > > > > look now? Thanks
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anne
> > > > >
> > > > > What happens in lvl3 when you run startx?
> > > >
> > > > After I close the box previously reported I see lines that include
> > > >
> > > > Is GTK+ supported: no
> > > > Is Qt supported: no #which probably explains something :-)
> > > > ....
> > > > kstartupconfig4: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.7:
> > > > cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
> > > > FreeType: couldn't open face /usr/share/fonts/cjkuni/ukai.ttc: 1
> > > > Warning Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion
> > > > Warning: Unable to load any usable fontset
> > > >
> > > > Waiting for X server to shut down Dropping master
> > > >
> > > > So I guess this explains what's happening. Now I presume I have
to
> > > > install additional packages to correct these. Can you tell me which
> > > > packages? Thanks
> > > >
> > > > Anne
> > >
> > > How did you upgrade you're system? If you used yum, then what happens
> > > when you run yum-complete-transaction?
> > >
> > > Eli
> >
> > Updating the metadata was one display that seemed to go on a long time.
> > I now find that it is still trying to update from the F10 repos.
> > How/where can I get the release packages to change this?
> >
> > Anne
>
> Depending on your installation
>
> http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/11/Fedora/x86_6
>4/os/Packages/fedora-release-11-1.noarch.rpm
>
> or
>
> http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/11/Fedora/i386/
>os/Packages/fedora-release-11-1.noarch.rpm
>
I grabbed that on this laptop and put it on a pendrive, but so far haven't
figured out how to identify the pendrive and mount it.
>
> One other thing.. You should make sure that you're *.rep files under
> /etc/yum.repos.d have not been configured so that they are only able to get
> things from the Fedora 10 repos that is
>
> where on the line baseurl and / or mirrorlist where it should read
> "$releasever" it says "10"
>
No, they weren't, but that made me think of temporarily changing the repos to
11 instead of releasever. That didn't work. Presumably the url has changed
(urlopen error). I thought I had vi'd every repo, disabling everything except
fedora.repo and fedora-updates.repo, setting them to use '11', but no joy -
I'm still seeing F10 packages found. I don't mind using the command line but
there is simply no quick way of finding out which repo is still enabled.
I hate being beaten, but this is wasting a huge amount o time. I think it
would be quicker to download the DVD and start afresh.
Anne
What happens when you reboot your computer with your pendrive still plugged in the
computer.
You should see an extra folder under /media
Eli
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On Tuesday 23 June 2009 18:17:31 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
What happens when you reboot your computer with your pendrive still plugged
in the computer.
You should see an extra folder under /media
I've managed to get the fedora-release installed, but I can't get the
network
running. I don't think I stand a snowball in hell's chance of getting this
sorted out.
Anne
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On Tuesday 23 June 2009 20:42:37 Anne Wilson wrote:
On Tuesday 23 June 2009 18:17:31 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
>
> What happens when you reboot your computer with your pendrive still plugged
> in the computer.
>
> You should see an extra folder under /media
>
I've managed to get the fedora-release installed, but I can't get the network
running. I don't think I stand a snowball in hell's chance of getting this
sorted out.
If you run ifconfig, you don't see any network connection at all?
Did you try running your computer with the older kernel? It should still be there.
Eli
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On Tuesday 23 June 2009 20:46:27 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
On Tuesday 23 June 2009 20:42:37 Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Tuesday 23 June 2009 18:17:31 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > What happens when you reboot your computer with your pendrive still
> > plugged in the computer.
> >
> > You should see an extra folder under /media
>
> I've managed to get the fedora-release installed, but I can't get the
> network running. I don't think I stand a snowball in hell's chance of
> getting this sorted out.
If you run ifconfig, you don't see any network connection at all?
Yes, the wired connection has an IP. The wireless connection fails.
That was the prompt I needed, I think. I just realised that it was still the
dhcp address. I had changed it to static with system-config-network so that I
could set the gateway and dns, but forgot to restart the network.
I've run yum-complete-transaction and it has completed, telling me that there
are no unfinished transactions. At last we are on the right track.
Yum update tells me that no packages are marked for update. What do I try
next?
Did you try running your computer with the older kernel? It should
still be
there.
As far as I can recall only one was offered.
ls /boot gives
config-2.6.29.5-191.fc11.i586
efi
grub
initrd-2.6.29.5-191.fc11.i586.img
System-map-2.6.29.5-191.fc11.i586
vmlinuz-2.6.29.5-191.fc11.i586
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On Wednesday 24 June 2009 00:26:06 Anne Wilson wrote:
On Tuesday 23 June 2009 20:46:27 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> On Tuesday 23 June 2009 20:42:37 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > On Tuesday 23 June 2009 18:17:31 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > > What happens when you reboot your computer with your pendrive still
> > > plugged in the computer.
> > >
> > > You should see an extra folder under /media
> >
> > I've managed to get the fedora-release installed, but I can't get the
> > network running. I don't think I stand a snowball in hell's chance of
> > getting this sorted out.
>
> If you run ifconfig, you don't see any network connection at all?
>
Yes, the wired connection has an IP. The wireless connection fails.
That was the prompt I needed, I think. I just realised that it was still the
dhcp address. I had changed it to static with system-config-network so that I
could set the gateway and dns, but forgot to restart the network.
I've run yum-complete-transaction and it has completed, telling me that there
are no unfinished transactions. At last we are on the right track.
Yum update tells me that no packages are marked for update. What do I try
next?
> Did you try running your computer with the older kernel? It should still be
> there.
>
As far as I can recall only one was offered.
ls /boot gives
config-2.6.29.5-191.fc11.i586
efi
grub
initrd-2.6.29.5-191.fc11.i586.img
System-map-2.6.29.5-191.fc11.i586
vmlinuz-2.6.29.5-191.fc11.i586
Anne
First... Probably a dumb question. When you upgraded your computer you were in runlevel 3
and no X Windows session (ie KDE, Gnome, etc) was running correct?
Next things we can try
1) Assuming you're in runlevel 3 run startx. Do you see any errors in the console
output?
2) Backup and /etc/sysconfig/Desktop if its there and delete the original. Then run:
init 5
Any difference in behaviour
3) While in runlevel backup /etc/X11/xorg.conf and then delete the original try running
startx or init 5 and note what if any changes have occured.
Eli
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On Wednesday 24 June 2009 06:14:32 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
First... Probably a dumb question. When you upgraded your computer you were
in runlevel 3 and no X Windows session (ie KDE, Gnome, etc) was running
correct?
Not a dumb question. I was working normally in rl 5 when the update daemon
asked me if I wanted to upgrade to F11. I accepted, and the automatic upgrade
began, with a statement that you can go on working while the update is in
progress. It did not give any option to come back later, which would have
allowed me to do necessary backups, etc. IMO that needs fixing -
Next things we can try
1) Assuming you're in runlevel 3 run startx. Do you see any errors in the
console output?
I get a blue screen, then a dialog tells me that kstartupconig4 does not exist
or fails. On the console I get
On Tuesday 23 June 2009 08:33:33 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
On Tuesday 23 June 2009 10:12:45 Anne Wilson wrote:
> I allowed the automatic update on the netbook last night. All seemed to
> go well up to and including the message that it was finishing off the
> install. When next I looked I had a black screen with a white square
> cursor. I left this overnight, in case something was still running in
> the background, but it wasn't.
>
> A reboot brought the same display. I was able to get a level3 login,
> both as user and root. Can someone advise me where to look now? Thanks
>
> Anne
What happens in lvl3 when you run startx?
After I close the box previously reported I see lines that include
Is GTK+ supported: no
Is Qt supported: no #which probably explains something :-)
....
kstartupconfig4: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.7: cannot
open shared object file: No such file or directory
FreeType: couldn't open face /usr/share/fonts/cjkuni/ukai.ttc: 1
Warning Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion
Warning: Unable to load any usable fontset
Waiting for X server to shut down Dropping master
Before I go on to the rest of your suggestions -
Last night I got as far as being able to run an update. A large number of
packages were downloaded (all F11, now in cache) but then it failed,
mentioning a couple of F10 packages.
rpm -qa | grep fc10 lists a huge number of packages, but update tells me that
no packages are marked for update.
I'm wondering if part of the problem is that I disabled all repos except
fedora and fedora-updates. Those f10 packages are from fedora-kde. Is the
high version number there interfering?
Should I re-enable kde.repo? It doesn't seem to use releasever - is that
right, or do I need a new release file?
2) Backup and /etc/sysconfig/Desktop if its there and delete the
original.
Then run:
init 5
Any difference in behaviour
3) While in runlevel backup /etc/X11/xorg.conf and then delete the original
try running startx or init 5 and note what if any changes have occured.
I'll come back to these when we've sorted out the earlier part.
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On Wednesday 24 June 2009 10:15:08 Anne Wilson wrote:
I'm wondering if part of the problem is that I disabled all repos
except
fedora and fedora-updates. Those f10 packages are from fedora-kde. Is the
high version number there interfering?
Yes...
You missed part of the magic of using yum to update the system. All repos should be
enabled as usual. So that you can maintain the rep and package priorities that you have
set. Otherwise you could very easily break something.
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On Wednesday 24 June 2009 09:00:53 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
On Wednesday 24 June 2009 10:15:08 Anne Wilson wrote:
> I'm wondering if part of the problem is that I disabled all repos except
> fedora and fedora-updates. Those f10 packages are from fedora-kde. Is
> the high version number there interfering?
Yes...
You missed part of the magic of using yum to update the system. All repos
should be enabled as usual. So that you can maintain the rep and package
priorities that you have set. Otherwise you could very easily break
something.
:-) That seems to explain a lot. A large update is currently taking place.
I'll report back.
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On Wednesday 24 June 2009 11:35:55 Anne Wilson wrote:
On Wednesday 24 June 2009 09:00:53 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> On Wednesday 24 June 2009 10:15:08 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > I'm wondering if part of the problem is that I disabled all repos except
> > fedora and fedora-updates. Those f10 packages are from fedora-kde. Is
> > the high version number there interfering?
>
> Yes...
>
> You missed part of the magic of using yum to update the system. All repos
> should be enabled as usual. So that you can maintain the rep and package
> priorities that you have set. Otherwise you could very easily break
> something.
>
:-) That seems to explain a lot. A large update is currently taking place.
I'll report back.
Anne
Good to hear. One last thing about the current update....
After this one completes, then you should run...
yum --allow-downgrade update
It does happen becuase of build number from the more recent version is less than the build
from the previous version. As such yum would think that the version installed from, lets
say Fedora 10 is newer than the build from Fedora 11 and you wouldn't know it.
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On Wednesday 24 June 2009 09:51:04 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
On Wednesday 24 June 2009 11:35:55 Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Wednesday 24 June 2009 09:00:53 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > On Wednesday 24 June 2009 10:15:08 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > I'm wondering if part of the problem is that I disabled all repos
> > > except fedora and fedora-updates. Those f10 packages are from
> > > fedora-kde. Is the high version number there interfering?
> >
> > Yes...
> >
> > You missed part of the magic of using yum to update the system. All
> > repos should be enabled as usual. So that you can maintain the rep and
> > package priorities that you have set. Otherwise you could very easily
> > break something.
> >
> :-) That seems to explain a lot. A large update is currently taking
> : place.
>
> I'll report back.
>
> Anne
Good to hear. One last thing about the current update....
After this one completes, then you should run...
yum --allow-downgrade update
It does happen becuase of build number from the more recent version is less
than the build from the previous version. As such yum would think that the
version installed from, lets say Fedora 10 is newer than the build from
Fedora 11 and you wouldn't know it.
Hmm - problem. "Command line error: no such option: --allow-downgrade"
I now have a kde install. There are still a few fc10 packages around:
google-gadgets-0.10.5-7
libdcp4client-4.0.0-35
neon-0.28.4-1.1
iptables-ipv6-1.4.3.2-1
ca-certificates-2009-1
kbackup-0.5.4-1
GeoIP-1.4.6-2
libtalloc-1.2.0-31
compat-db45-4.5.20
sudo-1.7.1-2
kompose-0.5.3-13
iptables-1.4.3.2-1
google-gadgets-qt-0.10.5-7
libtar-1.2.11-11
kipi-plugins-0.3.0-1
I presume these are the ones that will be taken care of by the --allow-
download? (The yum help file doesn't show --allow-downgrade.)
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4:41 a.m.
On Wednesday 24 June 2009 12:29:17 Anne Wilson wrote:
On Wednesday 24 June 2009 09:51:04 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> On Wednesday 24 June 2009 11:35:55 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > On Wednesday 24 June 2009 09:00:53 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 24 June 2009 10:15:08 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > > I'm wondering if part of the problem is that I disabled all
repos
> > > > except fedora and fedora-updates. Those f10 packages are from
> > > > fedora-kde. Is the high version number there interfering?
> > >
> > > Yes...
> > >
> > > You missed part of the magic of using yum to update the system. All
> > > repos should be enabled as usual. So that you can maintain the rep and
> > > package priorities that you have set. Otherwise you could very easily
> > > break something.
> > >
> > :-) That seems to explain a lot. A large update is currently taking
> > : place.
> >
> > I'll report back.
> >
> > Anne
>
> Good to hear. One last thing about the current update....
>
> After this one completes, then you should run...
>
> yum --allow-downgrade update
>
> It does happen becuase of build number from the more recent version is less
> than the build from the previous version. As such yum would think that the
> version installed from, lets say Fedora 10 is newer than the build from
> Fedora 11 and you wouldn't know it.
>
Hmm - problem. "Command line error: no such option: --allow-downgrade"
I now have a kde install. There are still a few fc10 packages around:
google-gadgets-0.10.5-7
libdcp4client-4.0.0-35
neon-0.28.4-1.1
iptables-ipv6-1.4.3.2-1
ca-certificates-2009-1
kbackup-0.5.4-1
GeoIP-1.4.6-2
libtalloc-1.2.0-31
compat-db45-4.5.20
sudo-1.7.1-2
kompose-0.5.3-13
iptables-1.4.3.2-1
google-gadgets-qt-0.10.5-7
libtar-1.2.11-11
kipi-plugins-0.3.0-1
I presume these are the ones that will be taken care of by the --allow-
download? (The yum help file doesn't show --allow-downgrade.)
Anne
Check to see if yum-plugin-allowdowngrade-1.1.21-2.fc11.noarch has been installed and
/etc/yum/pluginconf.d/allowdowngrade.conf
has been configured so that it enabled = 1
Also, do you have your other repos like rpmfusion enabled? If not, then enable them making
sure that you are getting the right updates.
By the way. Is X finally running?
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On Wednesday 24 June 2009 10:41:01 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
On Wednesday 24 June 2009 12:29:17 Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Wednesday 24 June 2009 09:51:04 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > On Wednesday 24 June 2009 11:35:55 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 24 June 2009 09:00:53 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday 24 June 2009 10:15:08 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > > > I'm wondering if part of the problem is that I disabled all
repos
> > > > > except fedora and fedora-updates. Those f10 packages are from
> > > > > fedora-kde. Is the high version number there interfering?
> > > >
> > > > Yes...
> > > >
> > > > You missed part of the magic of using yum to update the system. All
> > > > repos should be enabled as usual. So that you can maintain the rep
> > > > and package priorities that you have set. Otherwise you could very
> > > > easily break something.
> > > >
> > > :-) That seems to explain a lot. A large update is currently taking
> > > : place.
> > >
> > > I'll report back.
> > >
> > > Anne
> >
> > Good to hear. One last thing about the current update....
> >
> > After this one completes, then you should run...
> >
> > yum --allow-downgrade update
> >
> > It does happen becuase of build number from the more recent version is
> > less than the build from the previous version. As such yum would think
> > that the version installed from, lets say Fedora 10 is newer than the
> > build from Fedora 11 and you wouldn't know it.
>
> Hmm - problem. "Command line error: no such option: --allow-downgrade"
>
> I now have a kde install. There are still a few fc10 packages around:
>
> google-gadgets-0.10.5-7
> libdcp4client-4.0.0-35
> neon-0.28.4-1.1
> iptables-ipv6-1.4.3.2-1
> ca-certificates-2009-1
> kbackup-0.5.4-1
> GeoIP-1.4.6-2
> libtalloc-1.2.0-31
> compat-db45-4.5.20
> sudo-1.7.1-2
> kompose-0.5.3-13
> iptables-1.4.3.2-1
> google-gadgets-qt-0.10.5-7
> libtar-1.2.11-11
> kipi-plugins-0.3.0-1
>
> I presume these are the ones that will be taken care of by the --allow-
> download? (The yum help file doesn't show --allow-downgrade.)
>
> Anne
Check to see if yum-plugin-allowdowngrade-1.1.21-2.fc11.noarch has been
installed and
It wasn't - I thought it was part of yum-utils.
/etc/yum/pluginconf.d/allowdowngrade.conf
has been configured so that it enabled = 1
Yes, it is.
Also, do you have your other repos like rpmfusion enabled? If not,
then
enable them making sure that you are getting the right updates.
Everything I had enabled before is currently enabled, but it still says that
nothing needs updating.
By the way. Is X finally running?
Yes it is.
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On Wednesday 24 June 2009 11:18:09 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
On Wednesday 24 June 2009 13:09:44 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > By the way. Is X finally running?
>
> Yes it is.
>
> Anne
So where is your beautiful smile :)
Hidden behind the concentration wrinkles :-) but still there.
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On Wednesday 24 June 2009 13:09:44 Anne Wilson wrote:
Everything I had enabled before is currently enabled, but it still
says that
nothing needs updating.
It could be that this is a packaging error, or the packages are not available from the
mirrors that yum selected
You could check manually by visiting the relevant sites. A good place to start would be
http://download.fedora.redhat.com
Oh... by the way, Yumex has picked up steam tremendously.
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On Wednesday 24 June 2009 11:21:20 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
On Wednesday 24 June 2009 13:09:44 Anne Wilson wrote:
> Everything I had enabled before is currently enabled, but it still says
> that nothing needs updating.
It could be that this is a packaging error, or the packages are not
available from the mirrors that yum selected
You could check manually by visiting the relevant sites. A good place to
start would be
http://download.fedora.redhat.com
OK - as soon as I've caught up with other jobs
Oh... by the way, Yumex has picked up steam tremendously.
I haven't used yumex for a very long time until last week, I was quite
surprised to see how it has progressed
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On Wednesday 24 June 2009 13:09:44 Anne Wilson wrote:
One other thing that you mentioned in a previous post is that you allowed the automatic
updates while still in runlevel 5. I agree that there are couple of things about this that
needs more Windows installer like behavior especially with packages that can have an
impact on locked links or libraries. And it is the main reason I never do automatic
updates.
Packages that need to be watched out for anything xorg, qt, kdebase, kdelibs. I imagine
that there would be a whole lot more if they were gnome applications. It can make
problems. And so it would be good that if packages were upgraded then rpm should detect
that a link or library was not updated and upon next reboot overwrite them as required and
restart services if required.
Another thing that would be good is if services were updated then part of the output at
the end of the updating process should be some sort of message to check possible changes
to configurations and to at least manually restart the relevant services. Services like
mysql and cyrus-imap should be stopped before the update begins and later restarted after
completed.
But as usual, that's just my 2 cents worth.
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On Wednesday 24 June 2009 13:38:21 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
On Wednesday 24 June 2009 13:09:44 Anne Wilson wrote:
One other thing that you mentioned in a previous post is that you allowed the automatic
updates while still in runlevel 5. I agree that there are couple of things about this that
needs more Windows installer like behavior especially with packages that can have an
impact on locked links or libraries. And it is the main reason I never do automatic
updates.
Packages that need to be watched out for anything xorg, qt, kdebase, kdelibs. I imagine
that there would be a whole lot more if they were gnome applications. It can make
problems. And so it would be good that if packages were upgraded then rpm should detect
that a link or library was not updated and upon next reboot overwrite them as required and
restart services if required.
And should be upgraded in runlevel 3
(Sorry forgot to mention that)
Another thing that would be good is if services were updated then
part of the output at the end of the updating process should be some sort of message to
check possible changes to configurations and to at least manually restart the relevant
services. Services like mysql and cyrus-imap should be stopped before the update begins
and later restarted after completed.
But as usual, that's just my 2 cents worth.
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On Wednesday 24 June 2009 11:53:39 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
On Wednesday 24 June 2009 13:38:21 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> On Wednesday 24 June 2009 13:09:44 Anne Wilson wrote:
>
> One other thing that you mentioned in a previous post is that you allowed
> the automatic updates while still in runlevel 5. I agree that there are
> couple of things about this that needs more Windows installer like
> behavior especially with packages that can have an impact on locked links
> or libraries. And it is the main reason I never do automatic updates.
>
> Packages that need to be watched out for anything xorg, qt, kdebase,
> kdelibs. I imagine that there would be a whole lot more if they were
> gnome applications. It can make problems. And so it would be good that if
> packages were upgraded then rpm should detect that a link or library was
> not updated and upon next reboot overwrite them as required and restart
> services if required.
And should be upgraded in runlevel 3
(Sorry forgot to mention that)
> Another thing that would be good is if services were updated then part of
> the output at the end of the updating process should be some sort of
> message to check possible changes to configurations and to at least
> manually restart the relevant services. Services like mysql and
> cyrus-imap should be stopped before the update begins and later restarted
> after completed.
>
> But as usual, that's just my 2 cents worth.
>
Being a lengthy process, I continued working on the main laptop while it
progressed, so wasn't giving it my full attention, but I think the download
process happens while you are in rl5, dropping out to rl3 when the actual
update happens. But I couldn't swear to that.
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Anne Wilson wrote:
Being a lengthy process, I continued working on the main laptop while
it
progressed, so wasn't giving it my full attention, but I think the
download process happens while you are in rl5, dropping out to rl3 when
the actual update happens. But I couldn't swear to that.
If you just run "yum upgrade" or "yum update" (they behave the same
by
default), that's not what happens. To achieve that, you have to:
yum --downloadonly upgrade
telinit 3
yum -C upgrade
On the other hand, preupgrade does drop you out of the running system, it
does the upgrade in an Anaconda environment.
Kevin Kofler
1:48 a.m.
On Thursday 25 June 2009 05:50:03 Kevin Kofler wrote:
If you just run "yum upgrade" or "yum update"
(they behave the same by
default), that's not what happens. To achieve that, you have to:
yum --downloadonly upgrade
telinit 3
yum -C upgrade
On the other hand, preupgrade does drop you out of the running system, it
does the upgrade in an Anaconda environment.
Kevin, please understand that I did not initiate this upgrade, in a sense.
When the update notifier sends out that invitation to upgrade it takes control
of the upgrade. This is a service/utility provided by fedora.
I accept that most of my problem seems to stem from being more at the bleeding
edge than I've ever been before. I've learned a lot from this experience.
Now I just want to know how to deal with the remaining 15 f10 packages.
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On 06/25/2009 03:48 AM, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Thursday 25 June 2009 05:50:03 Kevin Kofler wrote:
> If you just run "yum upgrade" or "yum update" (they behave the
same by
> default), that's not what happens. To achieve that, you have to:
> yum --downloadonly upgrade
> telinit 3
> yum -C upgrade
>
> On the other hand, preupgrade does drop you out of the running system, it
> does the upgrade in an Anaconda environment.
Kevin, please understand that I did not initiate this upgrade, in a sense.
When the update notifier sends out that invitation to upgrade it takes control
of the upgrade. This is a service/utility provided by fedora.
I accept that most of my problem seems to stem from being more at the bleeding
edge than I've ever been before. I've learned a lot from this experience.
Now I just want to know how to deal with the remaining 15 f10 packages.
Maybe there isn't any f11 equivalent for them?
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On Thursday 25 June 2009 08:18:39 Patrick Boutilier wrote:
> Now I just want to know how to deal with the remaining 15 f10
packages.
Maybe there isn't any f11 equivalent for them?
That did occur to me. If they are unused I don't suppose that they matter.
If they are (correctly) being used, that's fine. However there are some on
the list that surely don't come into those categories - iptables, sudo and
libtar, for instance. This is the list
google-gadgets-0.10.5-7
libdcp4client-4.0.0-35
neon-0.28.4-1.1
iptables-ipv6-1.4.3.2-1
ca-certificates-2009-1
kbackup-0.5.4-1
GeoIP-1.4.6-2
libtalloc-1.2.0-31
compat-db45-4.5.20
sudo-1.7.1-2
kompose-0.5.3-13
iptables-1.4.3.2-1
google-gadgets-qt-0.10.5-7
libtar-1.2.11-11
kipi-plugins-0.3.0-1
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On Thursday 25 June 2009 08:54:02 Anne Wilson wrote:
On Thursday 25 June 2009 08:18:39 Patrick Boutilier wrote:
> > Now I just want to know how to deal with the remaining 15 f10 packages.
>
> Maybe there isn't any f11 equivalent for them?
That did occur to me. If they are unused I don't suppose that they matter.
If they are (correctly) being used, that's fine. However there are some on
the list that surely don't come into those categories - iptables, sudo and
libtar, for instance. This is the list
google-gadgets-0.10.5-7
libdcp4client-4.0.0-35
neon-0.28.4-1.1
iptables-ipv6-1.4.3.2-1
ca-certificates-2009-1
kbackup-0.5.4-1
GeoIP-1.4.6-2
libtalloc-1.2.0-31
compat-db45-4.5.20
sudo-1.7.1-2
kompose-0.5.3-13
iptables-1.4.3.2-1
google-gadgets-qt-0.10.5-7
libtar-1.2.11-11
kipi-plugins-0.3.0-1
I now find that neither dolphin nor konqueror will run, so I've runout of
patience. Later today I'll be backing up and doing a clean install - although
without a file manager selecting files for backup will not be easy.
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On Thursday 25 June 2009 08:54:02 Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Thursday 25 June 2009 08:18:39 Patrick Boutilier wrote:
> > > Now I just want to know how to deal with the remaining 15 f10
> > > packages.
> >
> > Maybe there isn't any f11 equivalent for them?
>
> That did occur to me. If they are unused I don't suppose that they
> matter. If they are (correctly) being used, that's fine. However there
> are some on the list that surely don't come into those categories -
> iptables, sudo and libtar, for instance. This is the list
>
> google-gadgets-0.10.5-7
> libdcp4client-4.0.0-35
> neon-0.28.4-1.1
> iptables-ipv6-1.4.3.2-1
> ca-certificates-2009-1
> kbackup-0.5.4-1
> GeoIP-1.4.6-2
> libtalloc-1.2.0-31
> compat-db45-4.5.20
> sudo-1.7.1-2
> kompose-0.5.3-13
> iptables-1.4.3.2-1
> google-gadgets-qt-0.10.5-7
> libtar-1.2.11-11
> kipi-plugins-0.3.0-1
Hi Anne,
On a default F11 install with latest updates - I hope - these packages are
'older' than yours:
neon-0.28.4-1.x86_64
iptables-ipv6-1.4.3.1-1.fc11.x86_64
ca-certificates-2008-8.noarch
sudo-1.7.1-1.fc11.x86_64
libtalloc-1.2.0-29.14.fc11.x86_64
iptables-1.4.3.1-1.fc11.x86_64
kipi-plugins-0.2.0-2.fc11.x86_64
All other packages are not installed on my system. May be this can give you a
clue? De-install/re-install with --nodeps ...?
Martin Kho
I now find that neither dolphin nor konqueror will run, so I've runout of
patience. Later today I'll be backing up and doing a clean install -
although without a file manager selecting files for backup will not be
easy.
Anne
4:34 a.m.
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:24:43 +0100, Anne Wilson
<cannewilson(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
On Thursday 25 June 2009 08:54:02 Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Thursday 25 June 2009 08:18:39 Patrick Boutilier wrote:
> > > Now I just want to know how to deal with the remaining 15 f10
> > > packages.
> >
> > Maybe there isn't any f11 equivalent for them?
>
> That did occur to me. If they are unused I don't suppose that they
> matter.
> If they are (correctly) being used, that's fine. However there are
some
> on
> the list that surely don't come into those categories - iptables, sudo
> and
> libtar, for instance. This is the list
>
> google-gadgets-0.10.5-7
> libdcp4client-4.0.0-35
> neon-0.28.4-1.1
> iptables-ipv6-1.4.3.2-1
> ca-certificates-2009-1
> kbackup-0.5.4-1
> GeoIP-1.4.6-2
> libtalloc-1.2.0-31
> compat-db45-4.5.20
> sudo-1.7.1-2
> kompose-0.5.3-13
> iptables-1.4.3.2-1
> google-gadgets-qt-0.10.5-7
> libtar-1.2.11-11
> kipi-plugins-0.3.0-1
>
I now find that neither dolphin nor konqueror will run, so I've runout
of
patience. Later today I'll be backing up and doing a clean
install -
although
without a file manager selecting files for backup will not be easy.
Erm, do you really need a X filemanager for that or did I miss something?
:)
What about mc?
[eelko@eb Documents]$ yum info mc
Loaded plugins: presto, refresh-packagekit
Installed Packages
Name : mc
Arch : i586
Epoch : 1
Version : 4.6.2
Release : 10.fc11
Size : 5.3 M
Repo : installed
From repo : updates
Summary : User-friendly text console
file manager and visual shell
URL : http://www.midnight-commander.org/
License : GPLv2
Description: Midnight Commander is a visual shell much like a file
manager, only
: with many more features. It is a text mode application, but
it also
: includes mouse support. Midnight Commander's best features
are its
: ability to FTP, view tar and zip files, and to poke into RPMs
for
: specific files.
Anne
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5 a.m.
On Thursday 25 June 2009 10:34:56 Eelko Berkenpies wrote:
Erm, do you really need a X filemanager for that or did I miss
something?
:)
What about mc?
Probably. It's just slower, mainly because I'm not as used to it. I need to
get a good working system before the weekend when I go away, and as time
diminishes I get more inclined to panic :-)
The reason I like using dolphin etc is that I can scan directories and take in
the information faster than I can with a text listing. This is personal, I
know. Not everyone will agree. I just does help me to do things quickly.
For instance, when deciding whether I want to back up a text file, if I can't
remember the contents I'll use dolphin's preview to see the beginning of it in
miniature - that's enough to remind me.
My grandfather used to say that in life only two things are impossible - to
whistle and laugh at the same time, and to play a fiddle with boxing gloves on
:-) Still, some things are easier than others.
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3:43 a.m.
On Thursday 25 June 2009 10:54:02 Anne Wilson wrote:
On Thursday 25 June 2009 08:18:39 Patrick Boutilier wrote:
> > Now I just want to know how to deal with the remaining 15 f10 packages.
>
> Maybe there isn't any f11 equivalent for them?
That did occur to me. If they are unused I don't suppose that they matter.
If they are (correctly) being used, that's fine. However there are some on
the list that surely don't come into those categories - iptables, sudo and
libtar, for instance. This is the list
google-gadgets-0.10.5-7
libdcp4client-4.0.0-35
neon-0.28.4-1.1
iptables-ipv6-1.4.3.2-1
ca-certificates-2009-1
kbackup-0.5.4-1
GeoIP-1.4.6-2
libtalloc-1.2.0-31
compat-db45-4.5.20
sudo-1.7.1-2
kompose-0.5.3-13
iptables-1.4.3.2-1
google-gadgets-qt-0.10.5-7
libtar-1.2.11-11
kipi-plugins-0.3.0-1
Anne
I've just checked over at download.fedora.redhat.com
and using the example of iptables
Current version f10 is:
http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/10/Everything...
Current version f11 is:
http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/11/Everything...
So I need to ask from where you got iptables? Have you set priorities in the repo files?
One of the things that you can try to do is an example run
rpm -e --nodeps --justdb iptables iptables-ipv6
This won't break your system, but it will remove package reference from the rpm
database. Then try:
yum install iptables iptables-ipv6
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On Thursday 25 June 2009 09:43:41 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
On Thursday 25 June 2009 10:54:02 Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Thursday 25 June 2009 08:18:39 Patrick Boutilier wrote:
> > > Now I just want to know how to deal with the remaining 15 f10
> > > packages.
> >
> > Maybe there isn't any f11 equivalent for them?
>
> That did occur to me. If they are unused I don't suppose that they
> matter. If they are (correctly) being used, that's fine. However there
> are some on the list that surely don't come into those categories -
> iptables, sudo and libtar, for instance. This is the list
>
> google-gadgets-0.10.5-7
> libdcp4client-4.0.0-35
> neon-0.28.4-1.1
> iptables-ipv6-1.4.3.2-1
> ca-certificates-2009-1
> kbackup-0.5.4-1
> GeoIP-1.4.6-2
> libtalloc-1.2.0-31
> compat-db45-4.5.20
> sudo-1.7.1-2
> kompose-0.5.3-13
> iptables-1.4.3.2-1
> google-gadgets-qt-0.10.5-7
> libtar-1.2.11-11
> kipi-plugins-0.3.0-1
>
> Anne
I've just checked over at download.fedora.redhat.com
and using the example of iptables
Current version f10 is:
http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/10/Everything/i
386/os/Packages/iptables-1.4.1.1-2.fc10.i386.rpm
Current version f11 is:
http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/11/Everything/i
386/os/Packages/iptables-1.4.3.1-1.fc11.i586.rpm
So I need to ask from where you got iptables?
Nothing is from a strange source. I didn't check 'rpm -qi' before following
the rest of your instructions, so I can't be precise.
Have you set priorities in
the repo files?
Not on this system - I must do that once we're sorted.
One of the things that you can try to do is an example run
rpm -e --nodeps --justdb iptables iptables-ipv6
This won't break your system, but it will remove package reference from the
rpm database. Then try:
yum install iptables iptables-ipv6
That solved many of them. compat-db45 and libtar re-installed the fc10
version, so I guess I can forget about them.
I used the same method to dis-associate kdebase and reinstall it. Now dolphin
is working again. I'll file this tip for future reference. Thanks
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7:05 a.m.
On Thursday 25 June 2009 13:26:49 Anne Wilson wrote:
On Thursday 25 June 2009 09:43:41 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> On Thursday 25 June 2009 10:54:02 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > On Thursday 25 June 2009 08:18:39 Patrick Boutilier wrote:
> > > > Now I just want to know how to deal with the remaining 15 f10
> > > > packages.
> > >
> > > Maybe there isn't any f11 equivalent for them?
> >
> > That did occur to me. If they are unused I don't suppose that they
> > matter. If they are (correctly) being used, that's fine. However there
> > are some on the list that surely don't come into those categories -
> > iptables, sudo and libtar, for instance. This is the list
> >
> > google-gadgets-0.10.5-7
> > libdcp4client-4.0.0-35
> > neon-0.28.4-1.1
> > iptables-ipv6-1.4.3.2-1
> > ca-certificates-2009-1
> > kbackup-0.5.4-1
> > GeoIP-1.4.6-2
> > libtalloc-1.2.0-31
> > compat-db45-4.5.20
> > sudo-1.7.1-2
> > kompose-0.5.3-13
> > iptables-1.4.3.2-1
> > google-gadgets-qt-0.10.5-7
> > libtar-1.2.11-11
> > kipi-plugins-0.3.0-1
> >
> > Anne
>
> I've just checked over at download.fedora.redhat.com
>
> and using the example of iptables
>
> Current version f10 is:
> http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/10/Everything/i
>386/os/Packages/iptables-1.4.1.1-2.fc10.i386.rpm
>
>
> Current version f11 is:
> http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/11/Everything/i
>386/os/Packages/iptables-1.4.3.1-1.fc11.i586.rpm
>
>
> So I need to ask from where you got iptables?
Nothing is from a strange source. I didn't check 'rpm -qi' before following
the rest of your instructions, so I can't be precise.
> Have you set priorities in
> the repo files?
>
Not on this system - I must do that once we're sorted.
>
> One of the things that you can try to do is an example run
>
> rpm -e --nodeps --justdb iptables iptables-ipv6
>
> This won't break your system, but it will remove package reference from the
> rpm database. Then try:
>
> yum install iptables iptables-ipv6
>
That solved many of them. compat-db45 and libtar re-installed the fc10
version, so I guess I can forget about them.
I used the same method to dis-associate kdebase and reinstall it. Now dolphin
is working again. I'll file this tip for future reference. Thanks
Anne
Your Welcome. Great to hear that things are shaping up. Yes you can forget about those 2
packages. According to rpmfind.net the labels for those 2 packages are indeed labeled with
fc10. The labeling is something that can be taken up with the packagers. While confusing,
its not critical.
Glad I could be of help
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Anne Wilson wrote:
Kevin, please understand that I did not initiate this upgrade, in a
sense.
When the update notifier sends out that invitation to upgrade it takes
control of the upgrade. This is a service/utility provided by fedora.
That stuff (which is offered by PackageKit) uses preupgrade.
So if you end up with leftover F10 stuff after that, there are 3
possibilities:
1. Your preupgrade was too old. The current version is 1.1.0, it uses F11
updates and even the F11 versions of 3rd-party repos like kde-redhat to
upgrade your system. Older versions fetched only what's in the F11
Everything repo and that tends to be older than the current F10 updates.
2. You fetched some packages from something like updates-testing or
kde-redhat testing/unstable (using --enablerepo= or equivalent) which you
don't have permanently enabled, so preupgrade didn't find the F11
equivalents.
3. The upgrade paths are broken in the repositories. In that case, bugs
should be filed against the affected packages.
Kevin Kofler
4:13 a.m.
On Friday 26 June 2009 23:41:46 Kevin Kofler wrote:
Anne Wilson wrote:
> Kevin, please understand that I did not initiate this upgrade, in a
> sense. When the update notifier sends out that invitation to upgrade it
> takes control of the upgrade. This is a service/utility provided by
> fedora.
That stuff (which is offered by PackageKit) uses preupgrade.
So if you end up with leftover F10 stuff after that, there are 3
possibilities:
1. Your preupgrade was too old. The current version is 1.1.0, it uses F11
updates and even the F11 versions of 3rd-party repos like kde-redhat to
upgrade your system. Older versions fetched only what's in the F11
Everything repo and that tends to be older than the current F10 updates.
2. You fetched some packages from something like updates-testing or
kde-redhat testing/unstable (using --enablerepo= or equivalent) which you
don't have permanently enabled, so preupgrade didn't find the F11
equivalents.
3. The upgrade paths are broken in the repositories. In that case, bugs
should be filed against the affected packages.
As I stated elsewhere, #2 is the reason. My only gripe, if you can call it
that, is that it all happens so automatically that there is no opportunity to
pause, make backups and think out consequences such as this. The only bug
report I'm inclined to file on this is the request the addition of a button
for "ask me tomorrow" or something similar.
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8:23 a.m.
On Saturday 27 June 2009 05:13:01 am Anne Wilson wrote:
<snip>
...My only gripe, if you can call it
that, is that it all happens so automatically that there is no opportunity
to pause, make backups and think out consequences such as this.
[sysadmin-mode enable]
Backups should be routine. One shouldn't have to stop anything to perform a
backup...
[/sysadmin-mode]
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8:44 a.m.
On Saturday 27 June 2009 14:23:00 Tim Wunder wrote:
On Saturday 27 June 2009 05:13:01 am Anne Wilson wrote:
<snip>
> ...My only gripe, if you can call it
> that, is that it all happens so automatically that there is no
> opportunity to pause, make backups and think out consequences such as
> this.
[sysadmin-mode enable]
Backups should be routine. One shouldn't have to stop anything to perform a
backup...
[/sysadmin-mode]
:-) On the server they are. On the laptop, I backup work-in-progress fairly
frequently, but not as seriously as the server. Horses for courses. I know
when I've just done something that's a must-not-be-lost :-)
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5:39 p.m.
Anne Wilson wrote:
As I stated elsewhere, #2 is the reason. My only gripe, if you can
call
it that, is that it all happens so automatically that there is no
opportunity to pause, make backups and think out consequences such as
this.
Uh, how automatically? I didn't even get offered the upgrade on my F9 and
F10 machines (are you running GNOME or XFCE or something like that on those
machines? Because I'm not aware of KPackageKit even supporting those
preupgrade notifications), and in any case there's the option to decline
(and run preupgrade by hand later if you really want to upgrade).
Kevin Kofler
11:15 a.m.
On Saturday 27 June 2009 23:39:13 Kevin Kofler wrote:
Anne Wilson wrote:
> As I stated elsewhere, #2 is the reason. My only gripe, if you can call
> it that, is that it all happens so automatically that there is no
> opportunity to pause, make backups and think out consequences such as
> this.
Uh, how automatically? I didn't even get offered the upgrade on my F9 and
F10 machines (are you running GNOME or XFCE or something like that on those
machines?
No, just F10 updated from kde-fedora, KDE desktop.
Because I'm not aware of KPackageKit even supporting those
preupgrade notifications),
Someone else on this (or user?) list has mentioned the same thing in the last
24 hours.
and in any case there's the option to decline
(and run preupgrade by hand later if you really want to upgrade).
Sure - but it's all or nothing. Yes/No/Later would be great.
The truth is that I had intended doing a clean install. Being offered that
automatic upgrade seduced me. I'm not complaining about that, but as it
stands I do think there is a pressure to do it at that particular moment.
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4:41 a.m.
On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 10:29:17 +0100, Anne Wilson
<cannewilson(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday 24 June 2009 09:51:04 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> On Wednesday 24 June 2009 11:35:55 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > On Wednesday 24 June 2009 09:00:53 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 24 June 2009 10:15:08 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > > I'm wondering if part of the problem is that I disabled all repos
> > > > except fedora and fedora-updates. Those f10 packages are from
> > > > fedora-kde. Is the high version number there interfering?
> > >
> > > Yes...
> > >
> > > You missed part of the magic of using yum to update the system. All
> > > repos should be enabled as usual. So that you can maintain the rep
> > > and
> > > package priorities that you have set. Otherwise you could very
easily
> > > break something.
> > >
> > :-) That seems to explain a lot. A large update is currently taking
> > : place.
> >
> > I'll report back.
> >
> > Anne
>
> Good to hear. One last thing about the current update....
>
> After this one completes, then you should run...
>
> yum --allow-downgrade update
>
> It does happen becuase of build number from the more recent version is
> less
> than the build from the previous version. As such yum would think that
> the
> version installed from, lets say Fedora 10 is newer than the build from
> Fedora 11 and you wouldn't know it.
>
Hmm - problem. "Command line error: no such option: --allow-downgrade"
I now have a kde install. There are still a few fc10 packages around:
google-gadgets-0.10.5-7
libdcp4client-4.0.0-35
neon-0.28.4-1.1
iptables-ipv6-1.4.3.2-1
ca-certificates-2009-1
kbackup-0.5.4-1
GeoIP-1.4.6-2
libtalloc-1.2.0-31
compat-db45-4.5.20
sudo-1.7.1-2
kompose-0.5.3-13
iptables-1.4.3.2-1
google-gadgets-qt-0.10.5-7
libtar-1.2.11-11
kipi-plugins-0.3.0-1
I presume these are the ones that will be taken care of by the --allow-
download? (The yum help file doesn't show --allow-downgrade.)
Anne
yum install yum-plugin-allowdowngrade ? :)
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3:03 a.m.
Anne Wilson wrote:
I'm wondering if part of the problem is that I disabled all repos
except
fedora and fedora-updates. Those f10 packages are from fedora-kde. Is the
high version number there interfering?
Should I re-enable kde.repo? It doesn't seem to use releasever - is that
right, or do I need a new release file?
I'd recommend re-enabling kde.repo, yes. Our setup uses releasever in
the mirrorlist serverside, which is why you don't see it in the repo file.
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3:03 a.m.
On Wednesday 24 June 2009 10:15:08 Anne Wilson wrote:
Should I re-enable kde.repo? It doesn't seem to use releasever -
is that
right, or do I need a new release file?
Nope that's actually wrong. All that dolar sign stuff are variables and things like 10
or 11 should be replaced with $releasever. Things like x86_64 or i386 should be replaced
by $basesearch. That should be done with all the repositories that you have configured.
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Eli Wapniarski wrote:
That's actually the same package (notice that it's noarch), so it doesn't
matter where you pick it from. Yum knows what arch to get updates from.
Kevin Kofler
4:47 a.m.
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Anne Wilson <cannewilson(a)googlemail.com>wrote:
A reboot brought the same display. I was able to get a level3 login,
both
as
user and root. Can someone advise me where to look now? Thanks
Following PreUpgrade I had to do the usual yum clean all ; yum update ;
reboot
There was some errormsg about kdm exiting with error status 2.
Lesson learned: never rely on wireless when upgrading to new fedora releases
;-)
BR Bent
6:41 a.m.
On Tuesday 23 June 2009 10:47:34 Bent Terp wrote:
Lesson learned: never rely on wireless when upgrading to new fedora
releases ;-)
I don't. I had switched to a wired connection.
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On Tuesday 23 June 2009 12:47:34 Bent Terp wrote:
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Anne Wilson
<cannewilson(a)googlemail.com>wrote:
> A reboot brought the same display. I was able to get a level3 login, both
> as
> user and root. Can someone advise me where to look now? Thanks
Following PreUpgrade I had to do the usual yum clean all ; yum update ;
reboot
There was some errormsg about kdm exiting with error status 2.
Lesson learned: never rely on wireless when upgrading to new fedora releases
;-)
BR Bent
Please tell me that no X Windows sesssion was running and that you were in runlevel 3
while upgrading.
It shouldn't make one bit of difference. If a file schedualed to download does get to
your computer then the transactions will not commence because of packages not being
downloaded.
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