KDE 4.5 libraries problem with Skype

[Manuel Escudero]

I have installed Fedora 13 Goddard x86_64 in my machine and I've updated to
KDE 4.5, in order to run Skype I installed some 32 bit Qt libraries and
when I installed the new KDE desktop I had to remove them because KDE 4.4
uses the "1:4.6" version of these libraries and KDE 4.5 the "1:4.7"...
Now I have KDE 4.5 and everything is fine but I can't run lastest Skype
because it needs the "1:4.6" Qt libraries, it doesn't work with the new
ones, but if I remove the new ones and I replace them with
the older ones, many apps seem to be "downgraded" or they just don't work
anymore...
Does this mean we're not having Skype in Fedora 14 KDE Spin as it's going to
be based on KDE 4.5?

Many users need skype (in my case I'm running it in a Windows 7 VM) But
without it we can't offer reliable "Videocalls" as they're not implemented
in IM Clients Linux have.

And please do not start with fanaticism about opensource, as I said in
ambassadors mailing list:

Quoted Mail:

Well, I know about the free alternatives, what I'm discussing here is that
many users USE SKYPE. We have free software but we can't tell those users
who use skype: CANCEL YOUR SKYPE ACCOUNT BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE FREE. We, as
ambassadors, are supposed to help the user and this is an issue that is
going to affect many skype users in fedora 14 KDE unless someone finds a
solution.

Yes, we have free software, but tell me: Any of our free software supports
skype's protocol? The answer is NO. and by "demonizing" skype's use you're
commiting fanaticism... If GNU/LINUX and OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE is what
matters to you, change to UTUTO or GNEWSENSE as Fedora isn't considered
COMPLETELY OPEN SOURCE by the Gnu Foundation.

I'm not gonna continue arguing... I'm open to solutions, not "empty
opinions"

And for me, it's sad that some ambassadors are not thinking in the future of
the user... This is not the way to win "ground" in technologies battle...

End of Quoted mail...

P.S. Sorry for the words in capital letters.

P.S.2: For me, the final user is as important as OpenSource and Fedora :)

[Sven Lankes]

On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 06:09:26PM -0500, Manuel Escudero wrote:
> Does this mean we're not having Skype in Fedora 14 KDE Spin as it's going to
> be based on KDE 4.5?
> Many users need skype (in my case I'm running it in a Windows 7 VM) But
> without it we can't offer reliable "Videocalls" as they're not implemented
> in IM Clients Linux have.

What do you expect us to do? Ship an older QT version instead of the
newer one so that skype works? And while we're at it don't ship the
current x-server so that nvidia and ati-binary-drivers work (no - I
don't care if they currently work - this is just an example).

If proprietary apps work with Fedora - great. If they don't - it's up to
the application vendor to fix, not Fedora.

[Markus Slopianka]

Get the static version from
http://www.skype.com/intl/de/get-skype/on-your-computer/linux/post-download/
and stop writing "KDE 4.5" (which is the wrong term since almost a year).

[Manuel Escudero]

2010/8/30 Markus Slopianka
> Get the static version from
> <
> http://www.skype.com/intl/de/get-skype/on-your-computer/linux/post-download/
> >
>
> and stop writing "KDE 4.5" (which is the wrong term since almost a year).
> _______________________________________________
> kde mailing list
> [e-mail]
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kde
> New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org

I was thinking about getting a community solution, maybe an idea from
someone that can help users in this case... Obviously we can't ship older
libraries... but for me, it's important to give an announcement of this
problem.

P.S. ¿What's the Correct term then?

Thank's

[Patrick Boutilier]

On 08/30/2010 08:43 PM, Manuel Escudero wrote:
> 2010/8/30 Markus Slopianka <[e-mail]
> >
> Get the static version from
> <http://www.skype.com/intl/de/get-skype/on-your-computer/linux/post-download/>
> and stop writing "KDE 4.5" (which is the wrong term since almost a
> year).
> _______________________________________________
> kde mailing list
> [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kde
> New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org
>
>
> I was thinking about getting a community solution, maybe an idea from
> someone that can help users in this case... Obviously we can't ship
> older libraries... but for me, it's important to give an announcement of
> this problem.

What is the problem again? I can run Skype with qt-4.7.0-0.27.rc1.fc13.i686
> P.S. ¿What's the Correct term then?

KDE SC 4.5
> Thank's
>
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[Manuel Escudero]

2010/8/30 Patrick Boutilier
> On 08/30/2010 08:43 PM, Manuel Escudero wrote:
> > 2010/8/30 Markus Slopianka <[e-mail]
> > >
> > Get the static version from
> > <
>
> http://www.skype.com/intl/de/get-skype/on-your-computer/linux/post-download/
> > and stop writing "KDE 4.5" (which is the wrong term since almost a
> > year).
> > _______________________________________________
> > kde mailing list
> > [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>
> > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kde
> > New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org
> >
> >
> > I was thinking about getting a community solution, maybe an idea from
> > someone that can help users in this case... Obviously we can't ship
> > older libraries... but for me, it's important to give an announcement of
> > this problem.
>
> What is the problem again? I can run Skype with qt-4.7.0-0.27.rc1.fc13.i686
> > P.S. ¿What's the Correct term then?
>
> KDE SC 4.5
> > Thank's
> >
> > --
> > <-Manuel Escudero->
> > Linux User #509052
> > @GWave: [e-mail] 
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>
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Maybe because you have a 32 Bits System, there shouldn't have to be a
problem... But I'm running a 64 Bit one

[Markus Slopianka]

On Tuesday 31 August 2010 01:43:48 Manuel Escudero wrote:
> I was thinking about getting a community solution, maybe an idea from
> someone that can help users in this case... Obviously we can't ship older
> libraries... but for me, it's important to give an announcement of this
> problem.

So and what's your problem with getting the static linked Skype version?

[John5342]

2010/8/31 Manuel Escudero :
> Maybe because you have a 32 Bits System, there shouldn't have to be a
> problem... But I'm running a 64 Bit one

You haven't actually so far stated what the problem is you are having
with skype. Only that it doesn't work. What i can say is it works fine
here on F13 using qt 4.7 on x86_64. I just installed the standard
Fedora rpms provided along with the i686 version of qt and the
appropriate i686 pulseaudio libs. I forget exactly which one is needed
but i have alsa-plugins-pulseaudio.i686 and pulseaudio-libs.i686
installed currently.

[Manuel Escudero]

2010/8/30 John5342
> 2010/8/31 Manuel Escudero :
> > Maybe because you have a 32 Bits System, there shouldn't have to be a
> > problem... But I'm running a 64 Bit one
>
> You haven't actually so far stated what the problem is you are having
> with skype. Only that it doesn't work. What i can say is it works fine
> here on F13 using qt 4.7 on x86_64. I just installed the standard
> Fedora rpms provided along with the i686 version of qt and the
> appropriate i686 pulseaudio libs. I forget exactly which one is needed
> but i have alsa-plugins-pulseaudio.i686 and pulseaudio-libs.i686
> installed currently.
>
> --
> There are 10 kinds of people in the world: Those who understand binary
> and those who don't...
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Yep. It worked fine for me until I upgraded to KDE 4.5 my fedora 13 because
of the new Qt libraries... I can't install 32 bit Skype's dependencies on my
Fedora 13 x86_64 KDE 4.5 because the Qt 32 bit libraries that skype needs
have conflicts with the newer ones, and if I downgrade the Qt Libraries all
my KDE 4.5 installation gets broken

[Manuel Escudero]

2010/8/30 Manuel Escudero
> 2010/8/30 John5342
>
> 2010/8/31 Manuel Escudero :
> > > Maybe because you have a 32 Bits System, there shouldn't have to be a
> > > problem... But I'm running a 64 Bit one
> >
> > You haven't actually so far stated what the problem is you are having
> > with skype. Only that it doesn't work. What i can say is it works fine
> > here on F13 using qt 4.7 on x86_64. I just installed the standard
> > Fedora rpms provided along with the i686 version of qt and the
> > appropriate i686 pulseaudio libs. I forget exactly which one is needed
> > but i have alsa-plugins-pulseaudio.i686 and pulseaudio-libs.i686
> > installed currently.
> >
> > --
> > There are 10 kinds of people in the world: Those who understand binary
> > and those who don't...
> > _______________________________________________
> > kde mailing list
> > [e-mail]
> > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kde
> > New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org
>
> Yep. It worked fine for me until I upgraded to KDE 4.5 my fedora 13 because
> of the new Qt libraries... I can't install 32 bit Skype's dependencies on my
> Fedora 13 x86_64 KDE 4.5 because the Qt 32 bit libraries that skype needs
> have conflicts with the newer ones, and if I downgrade the Qt Libraries all
> my KDE 4.5 installation gets broken

I've been investigating... is Fedora's problem, not skype... Fedora 13 does
> not provide a 32 bit package for the qt libraries in their "1:4.7" version,
> only a 64 bit one, at least

in my package manager this is what I have, and I also have a 32 bit version
but it's only of the "1:4.6" release... Hope you take this in count...

New Libraries in both architechtures seem to be present in fedora 14 and
RPMFind says in Fedora 15 too.
> --
> <-Manuel Escudero->
> Linux User #509052
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[John5342]

2010/8/31 Manuel Escudero :
> 2010/8/30 John5342
> > 2010/8/31 Manuel Escudero :
> > > Maybe because you have a 32 Bits System, there shouldn't have to be a
> > > problem... But I'm running a 64 Bit one
> >
> > You haven't actually so far stated what the problem is you are having
> > with skype. Only that it doesn't work. What i can say is it works fine
> > here on F13 using qt 4.7 on x86_64. I just installed the standard
> > Fedora rpms provided along with the i686 version of qt and the
> > appropriate i686 pulseaudio libs. I forget exactly which one is needed
> > but i have alsa-plugins-pulseaudio.i686 and pulseaudio-libs.i686
> > installed currently.
>
> Yep. It worked fine for me until I upgraded to KDE 4.5 my fedora 13 because
> of the new Qt libraries... I can't install 32 bit Skype's dependencies on my
> Fedora 13 x86_64 KDE 4.5 because the Qt 32 bit libraries that skype needs
> have conflicts with the newer ones, and if I downgrade the Qt Libraries all
> my KDE 4.5 installation gets broken

I am using KDE SC 4.5.0 from kde-testing and qt 4.7 and at least two
of us have already found it works fine. The more you tell us the more
chance there is we can help rather than having to guess the problem.
Have you by any chance used kde-redhat (kde-unstable for instance) in
the past? If so beware it is not multilib'd so you if you update
qt.x86_64 you have to add the related i686 repos so that qt.i686 can
be updated along with it (it also follows that if qt.i686 was not
installed before then you still need to enable the i686 repo so it can
install a matching version of qti686).

[Patrick Boutilier]

On 08/30/2010 08:52 PM, Manuel Escudero wrote:
<snip>
> Maybe because you have a 32 Bits System, there shouldn't have to be a
> problem... But I'm running a 64 Bit one

I am running 64 bit as well. But Skype is only a 32 bit app so you need 
32 bit qt installed as well.
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[Manuel Escudero]

2010/8/30 John5342
> 2010/8/31 Manuel Escudero :
> > 2010/8/30 John5342
> > > 2010/8/31 Manuel Escudero :
> > > > Maybe because you have a 32 Bits System, there shouldn't have to be a
> > > > problem... But I'm running a 64 Bit one
> > >
> > > You haven't actually so far stated what the problem is you are having
> > > with skype. Only that it doesn't work. What i can say is it works fine
> > > here on F13 using qt 4.7 on x86_64. I just installed the standard
> > > Fedora rpms provided along with the i686 version of qt and the
> > > appropriate i686 pulseaudio libs. I forget exactly which one is needed
> > > but i have alsa-plugins-pulseaudio.i686 and pulseaudio-libs.i686
> > > installed currently.
> >
> > Yep. It worked fine for me until I upgraded to KDE 4.5 my fedora 13
>
> because
> > of the new Qt libraries... I can't install 32 bit Skype's dependencies on
>
> my
> > Fedora 13 x86_64 KDE 4.5 because the Qt 32 bit libraries that skype needs
> > have conflicts with the newer ones, and if I downgrade the Qt Libraries
>
> all
> > my KDE 4.5 installation gets broken
>
> I am using KDE SC 4.5.0 from kde-testing and qt 4.7 and at least two
> of us have already found it works fine. The more you tell us the more
> chance there is we can help rather than having to guess the problem.
> Have you by any chance used kde-redhat (kde-unstable for instance) in
> the past? If so beware it is not multilib'd so you if you update
> qt.x86_64 you have to add the related i686 repos so that qt.i686 can
> be updated along with it (it also follows that if qt.i686 was not
> installed before then you still need to enable the i686 repo so it can
> install a matching version of qti686).
>
> --
> There are 10 kinds of people in the world: Those who understand binary
> and those who don't...
> _______________________________________________
> kde mailing list
> [e-mail]
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kde
> New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org

@John5342: How do I add the "new" i686 KDE 4.5 SC repo? I think that's the
solution

[John5342]

2010/8/31 Manuel Escudero :
> @John5342: How do I add the "new" i686 KDE 4.5 SC repo? I think that's the
> solution

I just added the definitions below to my
/etc/yum.repos.d/kde-redhat.repo file. Unfortunately the mirror list
seems to contain $basearch substitution variables so we have to set a
known mirror directly in order to override the architecture. Also in
the following all the repos are enabled. Obviously in reality you only
need to enable the ones that match the enabled x86_64 ones...

[kde-32]
name=kde-32
baseurl=http://mirror.unl.edu/kde-redhat/fedora/$releasever/i386/stable
gpgkey=http://apt.kde-redhat.org/apt/kde-redhat/kde-redhat.RPM-GPG-KEY
enabled=1

[kde-testing-32]
name=kde-testing-32
baseurl=http://mirror.unl.edu/kde-redhat/fedora/$releasever/i386/testing
gpgkey=http://apt.kde-redhat.org/apt/kde-redhat/kde-redhat.RPM-GPG-KEY
enabled=1

[kde-unstable-32]
name=kde-unstable-32
baseurl=http://mirror.unl.edu/kde-redhat/fedora/$releasever/i386/unstable
gpgkey=http://apt.kde-redhat.org/apt/kde-redhat/kde-redhat.RPM-GPG-KEY
enabled=1

[Ryan Rix]

On Mon 30 August 2010 17:43:12 Manuel Escudero wrote:
> 2010/8/30 Manuel Escudero
> > 2010/8/30 John5342
> >
> > 2010/8/31 Manuel Escudero :
> > > > Maybe because you have a 32 Bits System, there shouldn't have to be a
> > > > problem... But I'm running a 64 Bit one
> > >
> > > You haven't actually so far stated what the problem is you are having
> > > with skype. Only that it doesn't work. What i can say is it works fine
> > > here on F13 using qt 4.7 on x86_64. I just installed the standard
> > > Fedora rpms provided along with the i686 version of qt and the
> > > appropriate i686 pulseaudio libs. I forget exactly which one is needed
> > > but i have alsa-plugins-pulseaudio.i686 and pulseaudio-libs.i686
> > > installed currently.
> > >
> > > --
> > > There are 10 kinds of people in the world: Those who understand binary
> > > and those who don't...
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > kde mailing list
> > > [e-mail]
> > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kde
> > > New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org
> >
> > Yep. It worked fine for me until I upgraded to KDE 4.5 my fedora 13
> > because of the new Qt libraries... I can't install 32 bit Skype's
> > dependencies on my Fedora 13 x86_64 KDE 4.5 because the Qt 32 bit
> > libraries that skype needs have conflicts with the newer ones, and if I
> > downgrade the Qt Libraries all my KDE 4.5 installation gets broken
>
> I've been investigating... is Fedora's problem, not skype... Fedora 13 does
> > not provide a 32 bit package for the qt libraries in their "1:4.7"
> > version, only a 64 bit one, at least
>
> in my package manager this is what I have, and I also have a 32 bit version
> but it's only of the "1:4.6" release... Hope you take this in count...
>
> New Libraries in both architechtures seem to be present in fedora 14 and
> RPMFind says in Fedora 15 too.

So, I'm going to try to ignore the personal attack which you sent me on the 
Ambassadors list, and help you, since I think I know what happened after 
thinking about it all afternoon...

I assume, since Qt4.7 and KDE4.5 aren't in Fedora's main repositories yet 
(note that; you're using unofficial repositories provided by community 
members!), that you're using builds from kde-redhat.sf.net... Correct me if 
I'm wrong. If I'm not, in that case, the problem is that by default 
applications and libraries in there arne't multilib'd, and that they aren't 
kept in the same repository; there are different repositories for 32 bit and 
64 bit.

I assume you don't have the kde-redhat 32 bit repo enabled. Looking at 
/etc/yum.repos.d/kde.repo, the mirrorlist points to, for example
http://apt.kde-redhat.org/apt/kde-redhat/fedora/mirrors-testing, which are 
mirrors like http://mirror.unl.edu/kde-
redhat/fedora/$releasever/$basearch/testing ... $basearch is of course 
expanding to x86_64, leaving all the i686 packages unreachable in the kde-
redhat repositories.

So, take one of the mirrors in your mirrorlist, add a new entry to kde.repo  
for each repo:

[kde-i686]
name=kde
baseurl=http://mirror.unl.edu/kde-redhat/fedora/$releasever/i686/testing
gpgkey=http://apt.kde-redhat.org/apt/kde-redhat/kde-redhat.RPM-GPG-KEYat
enabled=1

Note that none of these issues will exist when KDE Plasma Desktop and the KDE 
Application Suite 4.5 are officially supported by us.

Oh, and that's the "proper" branding... KDE-promo intended the "KDE SC" 
terminology to be an engineering term (not something for End Users), but it 
caught on. There are two "products", the KDE Plasma Deskop, Plasma kwin etc, 
and the KDE Application Suite, which is all the applications which are 
developed by KDE, the community behind the products.

The KDE SIG is appreciative of all users' testing of KDE prereleases, but 
there will always be complications involved, bugs, etc, and we appreciate all 
feedback on the releases.

~r
> > --
> > <-Manuel Escudero->
> > Linux User #509052
> > @GWave: [e-mail]
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[Manuel Escudero]

2010/8/30 Ryan Rix
> On Mon 30 August 2010 17:43:12 Manuel Escudero wrote:
> > 2010/8/30 Manuel Escudero
> > > 2010/8/30 John5342
> > >
> > > 2010/8/31 Manuel Escudero :
> > > > > Maybe because you have a 32 Bits System, there shouldn't have to be
>
> a
> > > > > problem... But I'm running a 64 Bit one
> > > >
> > > > You haven't actually so far stated what the problem is you are having
> > > > with skype. Only that it doesn't work. What i can say is it works fine
> > > > here on F13 using qt 4.7 on x86_64. I just installed the standard
> > > > Fedora rpms provided along with the i686 version of qt and the
> > > > appropriate i686 pulseaudio libs. I forget exactly which one is needed
> > > > but i have alsa-plugins-pulseaudio.i686 and pulseaudio-libs.i686
> > > > installed currently.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > There are 10 kinds of people in the world: Those who understand binary
> > > > and those who don't...
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > kde mailing list
> > > > [e-mail]
> > > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kde
> > > > New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org
> > >
> > > Yep. It worked fine for me until I upgraded to KDE 4.5 my fedora 13
> > > because of the new Qt libraries... I can't install 32 bit Skype's
> > > dependencies on my Fedora 13 x86_64 KDE 4.5 because the Qt 32 bit
> > > libraries that skype needs have conflicts with the newer ones, and if I
> > > downgrade the Qt Libraries all my KDE 4.5 installation gets broken
> >
> > I've been investigating... is Fedora's problem, not skype... Fedora 13
>
> does
> > > not provide a 32 bit package for the qt libraries in their "1:4.7"
> > > version, only a 64 bit one, at least
> >
> > in my package manager this is what I have, and I also have a 32 bit
>
> version
> > but it's only of the "1:4.6" release... Hope you take this in count...
> >
> > New Libraries in both architechtures seem to be present in fedora 14 and
> > RPMFind says in Fedora 15 too.
>
> So, I'm going to try to ignore the personal attack which you sent me on the
> Ambassadors list, and help you, since I think I know what happened after
> thinking about it all afternoon...
>
> I assume, since Qt4.7 and KDE4.5 aren't in Fedora's main repositories yet
> (note that; you're using unofficial repositories provided by community
> members!), that you're using builds from kde-redhat.sf.net... Correct me if
> I'm wrong. If I'm not, in that case, the problem is that by default
> applications and libraries in there arne't multilib'd, and that they aren't
> kept in the same repository; there are different repositories for 32 bit
> and
> 64 bit.
>
> I assume you don't have the kde-redhat 32 bit repo enabled. Looking at
> /etc/yum.repos.d/kde.repo, the mirrorlist points to, for example
> http://apt.kde-redhat.org/apt/kde-redhat/fedora/mirrors-testing, which are
> mirrors like http://mirror.unl.edu/kde-
> redhat/fedora/$releasever/$basearch/testing ... $basearch is of course
> expanding to x86_64, leaving all the i686 packages unreachable in the kde-
> redhat repositories.
>
> So, take one of the mirrors in your mirrorlist, add a new entry to kde.repo
> for each repo:
>
> [kde-i686]
> name=kde
> baseurl=http://mirror.unl.edu/kde-redhat/fedora/$releasever/i686/testing
> gpgkey=http://apt.kde-redhat.org/apt/kde-redhat/kde-redhat.RPM-GPG-KEYat
> enabled=1
>
> Note that none of these issues will exist when KDE Plasma Desktop and the
> KDE
> Application Suite 4.5 are officially supported by us.
>
> Oh, and that's the "proper" branding... KDE-promo intended the "KDE SC"
> terminology to be an engineering term (not something for End Users), but it
> caught on. There are two "products", the KDE Plasma Deskop, Plasma kwin
> etc,
> and the KDE Application Suite, which is all the applications which are
> developed by KDE, the community behind the products.
>
> The KDE SIG is appreciative of all users' testing of KDE prereleases, but
> there will always be complications involved, bugs, etc, and we appreciate
> all
> feedback on the releases.
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I've got the solution, thanks!! Now Skype is working and I have the lastest
32 Bit Qt libraries installed in my 64 bit Fedora 13 with KDE 4.5!! :D

[Gilboa Davara]

On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 18:52 -0500, Manuel Escudero wrote:
> Maybe because you have a 32 Bits System, there shouldn't have to be a
> problem... But I'm running a 64 Bit one

skype works semi-fine on x86_64 F13 with 32bit qt, qt-x11, and
qt-sqlite.

I may switch to the static version of qt to solve a number of issues.
(E.g. file-open dialog doesn't work).

- Gilboa

[Kevin Kofler]

Manuel Escudero wrote:
> Does this mean we're not having Skype in Fedora 14 KDE Spin as it's going
> to be based on KDE 4.5?

No. It was a screwed up setup on your end, as the replies have evidenced.

And FWIW, the version of kdelibs (4.5.x) is irrelevant for Skype (and the 
rest of the KDE stuff even more so), only Qt matters. Skype does not use any 
KDE libraries.
> Many users need skype (in my case I'm running it in a Windows 7 VM) But
> without it we can't offer reliable "Videocalls" as they're not implemented
> in IM Clients Linux have.

Nonsense. Ekiga and several other applications support video calls just 
fine, cross-platform and using the standard SIP protocol.
> And please do not start with fanaticism about opensource, as I said in
> ambassadors mailing list:

What you call "fanaticism about opensource" is one of Fedora's core 
principles. If you don't believe in it, you should really reconsider being 
an Ambassador for Fedora!
> Well, I know about the free alternatives, what I'm discussing here is that
> many users USE SKYPE. We have free software but we can't tell those users
> who use skype: CANCEL YOUR SKYPE ACCOUNT BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE FREE.

Sure you can. Skype accounts are free, only communication from/to phones is 
charged for, so they wouldn't even lose money.

You can also tell them to run a second VoIP app using the standard SIP 
protocol in parallel (i.e. keeping Skype too), there's nothing which stops 
them from doing that either.
> We, as ambassadors, are supposed to help the user and this is an issue
> that is going to affect many skype users in fedora 14 KDE unless someone
> finds a solution.

This is already solved, but if it weren't, we wouldn't care. We do not 
support proprietary software, never have, never will. If it works, good for 
you, if it breaks, you get to keep the pieces.
> Yes, we have free software, but tell me: Any of our free software supports
> skype's protocol? The answer is NO.

That's exactly why using Skype is so harmful, not only do you force yourself 
into using proprietary software, but the other end as well!
> and by "demonizing" skype's use you're commiting fanaticism...

I call it "believing in the value of freedom".
> If GNU/LINUX and OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE is what matters to you, change to
> UTUTO or GNEWSENSE as Fedora isn't considered COMPLETELY OPEN SOURCE by
> the Gnu Foundation.

Fedora considers itself to be 100% Free. There is a known disagreement with 
the FSF over the issue of firmware, but as Skype is definitely NOT firmware, 
this is irrelevant.

Fedora believes strongly in freedom, it's one of our core objectives. If 
this isn't what matters to you, change to some distribution which doesn't 
care, e.g. Linux Mint.

Kevin Kofler

[Manuel Escudero]

2010/9/5 Kevin Kofler
> Manuel Escudero wrote:
> > Does this mean we're not having Skype in Fedora 14 KDE Spin as it's going
> > to be based on KDE 4.5?
>
> No. It was a screwed up setup on your end, as the replies have evidenced.
>
> And FWIW, the version of kdelibs (4.5.x) is irrelevant for Skype (and the
> rest of the KDE stuff even more so), only Qt matters. Skype does not use
> any
> KDE libraries.
> > Many users need skype (in my case I'm running it in a Windows 7 VM) But
> > without it we can't offer reliable "Videocalls" as they're not
>
> implemented
> > in IM Clients Linux have.
>
> Nonsense. Ekiga and several other applications support video calls just
> fine, cross-platform and using the standard SIP protocol.
> > And please do not start with fanaticism about opensource, as I said in
> > ambassadors mailing list:
>
> What you call "fanaticism about opensource" is one of Fedora's core
> principles. If you don't believe in it, you should really reconsider being
> an Ambassador for Fedora!
> > Well, I know about the free alternatives, what I'm discussing here is
>
> that
> > many users USE SKYPE. We have free software but we can't tell those users
> > who use skype: CANCEL YOUR SKYPE ACCOUNT BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE FREE.
>
> Sure you can. Skype accounts are free, only communication from/to phones is
> charged for, so they wouldn't even lose money.
>
> You can also tell them to run a second VoIP app using the standard SIP
> protocol in parallel (i.e. keeping Skype too), there's nothing which stops
> them from doing that either.
> > We, as ambassadors, are supposed to help the user and this is an issue
> > that is going to affect many skype users in fedora 14 KDE unless someone
> > finds a solution.
>
> This is already solved, but if it weren't, we wouldn't care. We do not
> support proprietary software, never have, never will. If it works, good for
> you, if it breaks, you get to keep the pieces.
> > Yes, we have free software, but tell me: Any of our free software
>
> supports
> > skype's protocol? The answer is NO.
>
> That's exactly why using Skype is so harmful, not only do you force
> yourself
> into using proprietary software, but the other end as well!
> > and by "demonizing" skype's use you're commiting fanaticism...
>
> I call it "believing in the value of freedom".
> > If GNU/LINUX and OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE is what matters to you, change to
> > UTUTO or GNEWSENSE as Fedora isn't considered COMPLETELY OPEN SOURCE by
> > the Gnu Foundation.
>
> Fedora considers itself to be 100% Free. There is a known disagreement with
> the FSF over the issue of firmware, but as Skype is definitely NOT
> firmware,
> this is irrelevant.
>
> Fedora believes strongly in freedom, it's one of our core objectives. If
> this isn't what matters to you, change to some distribution which doesn't
> care, e.g. Linux Mint.
>    Kevin Kofler
>
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@Everyone: I'm not interested in following this thread anymore, thanks! :)