Konqueror and Gmail

[Anoop]

Hi List,

Can someone tell me how to make Konqueror work with Gmail?

Thanks,
Anoop

[Mitchell Richters]

On 03/01/2010 07:41 PM, Anoop wrote:
> Hi List,
>
> Can someone tell me how to make Konqueror work with Gmail?
>
> Thanks,
> Anoop
> _______________________________________________
> kde mailing list
> [e-mail]
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kde
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Switch the rendering engine from KHTML to WebKit, Konqueror will be able 
to work with Gmail fully then.

Regards,
Mitch.

[Anoop]

Hi Mitchell,

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Mitchell Richters  wrote:
> On 03/01/2010 07:41 PM, Anoop wrote:
> > Hi List,
> >
> > Can someone tell me how to make Konqueror work with Gmail?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Anoop
> > _______________________________________________
> > kde mailing list
> > [e-mail]
> > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kde
> > New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org
>
> Switch the rendering engine from KHTML to WebKit, Konqueror will be able to
> work with Gmail fully then.

Thanks for the reply. How and where can I do that?

-Anoop
> Regards,
> Mitch.

[Mitchell Richters]

On 03/01/2010 09:01 PM, Anoop wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Mitchell Richters  wrote:
> > On 03/01/2010 07:41 PM, Anoop wrote:
> > > Hi List,
> > >
> > > Can someone tell me how to make Konqueror work with Gmail?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Anoop
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > kde mailing list
> > > [e-mail]
> > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kde
> > > New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org
> >
> > Switch the rendering engine from KHTML to WebKit, Konqueror will be able to
> > work with Gmail fully then.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mitch.
>
> Hi Mitchell,
>
> Thanks for the reply. How and where can I do that?
>
> -Anoop

Hi Anoop,

Go to View > View Mode > WebKit.

That is not a permanent change however. To change permanently, go to 
System Settings > File Associations > Search for "HTML" > Goto "text - 
html" > Click the "Embedding" tab > Adjust the "Services Preference 
Order" to place WebKit first in the list.

Cheers, Mitch.

[Anoop]

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Mitchell Richters  wrote:
> On 03/01/2010 09:01 PM, Anoop wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Mitchell Richters
> >  wrote:
> > > On 03/01/2010 07:41 PM, Anoop wrote:
> > > > Hi List,
> > > >
> > > > Can someone tell me how to make Konqueror work with Gmail?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Anoop
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > kde mailing list
> > > > [e-mail]
> > > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kde
> > > > New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org
> > >
> > > Switch the rendering engine from KHTML to WebKit, Konqueror will be able
> > > to
> > > work with Gmail fully then.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Mitch.
> >
> > Hi Mitchell,
> >
> > Thanks for the reply. How and where can I do that?
> >
> > -Anoop
>
> Hi Anoop,

Hi Mitchell,
> Go to View > View Mode > WebKit.

This option is not in my Konqueror (4.4.0)
> That is not a permanent change however. To change permanently, go to System
> Settings > File Associations > Search for "HTML" > Goto "text - html" >
> Click the "Embedding" tab > Adjust the "Services Preference Order" to place
> WebKit first in the list.

I did this, and gmail is opening nicely in Konqueror. Basically
sending thia mail from Konqueror :)

Thanks a lot!!!
-Anoop
> Cheers, Mitch.

Anoop wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Mitchell Richters
>  wrote:
> > On 03/01/2010 09:01 PM, Anoop wrote:
> > > On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Mitchell
> > > Richters wrote:
> > > > On 03/01/2010 07:41 PM, Anoop wrote:
> > > > > Hi List,
> > > > >
> > > > > Can someone tell me how to make Konqueror work with Gmail?

Try switching to "basic HTML view" gmail interface in Firefox.
Then it will work in Konqueror.
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Anoop
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > kde mailing list
> > > > > [e-mail]
> > > > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kde
> > > > > New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org
> > > >
> > > > Switch the rendering engine from KHTML to WebKit, Konqueror will be
> > > > able to
> > > > work with Gmail fully then.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Mitch.
> > >
> > > Hi Mitchell,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the reply. How and where can I do that?
> > >
> > > -Anoop
> >
> > Hi Anoop,
>
> Hi Mitchell,
> > Go to View > View Mode > WebKit.
>
> This option is not in my Konqueror (4.4.0)

Install webkitpart package.

Alexey Kurov

[Kevin Kofler]

Anoop wrote:
> Can someone tell me how to make Konqueror work with Gmail?

Why use a web browser for e-mail?

The best solution is to use KMail, follow the instructions for IMAP access 
and you can still keep all your messages on the server as with webmail 
(which also means you can still use the webmail on other machines, or even 
the same machine for that matter), but get an actual e-mail client which is 
much nicer to use than some AJAX crap in the browser.

A web browser is not an e-mail client!

That said, Konqueror's default KHTML engine can be persuaded to work with 
GMail by faking browser identifiers or such. And indeed there's also the 
WebKitPart, but that's not that great an idea as it's not the recommended 
HTML renderer in Konqueror (in fact the only reason it works at all is that 
Konqueror can embed any arbitrary KPart).

Kevin Kofler

[Mary Ellen Foster]

On 1 March 2010 10:40, Kevin Kofler  wrote:
> Anoop wrote:
> > Can someone tell me how to make Konqueror work with Gmail?
>
> Why use a web browser for e-mail?
>
> The best solution is to use KMail, follow the instructions for IMAP access
> and you can still keep all your messages on the server as with webmail
> (which also means you can still use the webmail on other machines, or even
> the same machine for that matter), but get an actual e-mail client which is
> much nicer to use than some AJAX crap in the browser.
>
> A web browser is not an e-mail client!

Well, some of us actually like the "AJAX crap", and it's nice to be
able to read my mail from wherever I happen to be and on whatever
computer I'm using. Glad to hear that also includes Konqueror now.

MEF

[Thomas Janssen]

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Kevin Kofler  wrote:
> Anoop wrote:
> > Can someone tell me how to make Konqueror work with Gmail?
>
> Why use a web browser for e-mail?

Because he (and i as well) like it?
> The best solution is to use KMail, follow the instructions for IMAP access
> and you can still keep all your messages on the server as with webmail
> (which also means you can still use the webmail on other machines, or even
> the same machine for that matter), but get an actual e-mail client which is
> much nicer to use than some AJAX crap in the browser.
>
> A web browser is not an e-mail client!

Sometimes you should leave things in the users opinion. The "AJAX
crap" Just works from everywhere. It doesn't help me at all if i have
my emails via IMAP on my box, if i haven't access to that box.
Anyways it's still the users preference and freedom to use what ever
"crap" he wants.
> That said, Konqueror's default KHTML engine can be persuaded to work with
> GMail by faking browser identifiers or such. And indeed there's also the
> WebKitPart, but that's not that great an idea as it's not the recommended
> HTML renderer in Konqueror (in fact the only reason it works at all is that
> Konqueror can embed any arbitrary KPart).

Still interesting that this arbitrary peace of software works better
than KHTML. I use what works and fits my needs. That is KDE in
general, but thank god we can choose what we want. If WebKitPart does
work better here, without the need to fake something, so may it be.
The world will not come to an end.

[Kevin Kofler]

Thomas Janssen wrote:
> The "AJAX crap" Just works from everywhere. It doesn't help me at all if i
> have my emails via IMAP on my box, if i haven't access to that box.

IMAP leaves and manages all the messages on the server. You can still access 
the mails from another machine via the webmail or, at your option, via IMAP. 
IMAP is not POP. POP is designed for a single client machine per user, IMAP 
is mainly server-side and can thus handle muliple client machines for the 
same user just fine.

Kevin Kofler

[Thomas Janssen]

On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 7:18 AM, Kevin Kofler  wrote:
> Thomas Janssen wrote:
> > The "AJAX crap" Just works from everywhere. It doesn't help me at all if i
> > have my emails via IMAP on my box, if i haven't access to that box.
>
> IMAP leaves and manages all the messages on the server. You can still access
> the mails from another machine via the webmail or, at your option, via IMAP.
> IMAP is not POP. POP is designed for a single client machine per user, IMAP
> is mainly server-side and can thus handle muliple client machines for the
> same user just fine.

I know all that, and? Doesn't change anything. I love to use that Ajax "crap".

Oh, by the way, i guess because kmail (or a full featured email
client) is that awesome to use, is the reason why you use something
different to answer that threads. What was it again, Knode and gmane?
I can handle all my emails with that Ajax crap. Anytime. Everywhere.

[Kevin Kofler]

Thomas Janssen wrote:
> Oh, by the way, i guess because kmail (or a full featured email
> client) is that awesome to use, is the reason why you use something
> different to answer that threads. What was it again, Knode and gmane?

Because I use POP for my e-mail, not IMAP. I like my mail being downloaded 
to my local machine rather than being dependent on some server. But of 
course that doesn't scale to a mailing list!

I also use different threading settings in KMail (personal mail) vs. KNode 
(mailing lists): I set my personal mail to unthreaded so I always have the 
newest messages at the bottom and normally read them in order (and 
immediately read mail as it comes in, I have a sound alert configured to 
tell me about that), whereas I set the "newsgroups" (mailing lists gatewayed 
through Gmane, really) to threaded and read them thread by thread when I 
have time.

And finally, IMHO NNTP is just a better solution for mailing lists than 
traditional mail delivery. The whole concept of mailing lists is primitive: 
Why forward the whole discussion to everyone rather than just letting people 
poll the shared server directly? And KDE offers a dedicated tool for NNTP, 
so why not use it?

Kevin Kofler

[Thomas Janssen]

On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Kevin Kofler  wrote:
> Thomas Janssen wrote:
> > Oh, by the way, i guess because kmail (or a full featured email
> > client) is that awesome to use, is the reason why you use something
> > different to answer that threads. What was it again, Knode and gmane?
>
> Because I use POP for my e-mail, not IMAP. I like my mail being downloaded
> to my local machine rather than being dependent on some server. But of
> course that doesn't scale to a mailing list!
>
> I also use different threading settings in KMail (personal mail) vs. KNode
> (mailing lists): I set my personal mail to unthreaded so I always have the
> newest messages at the bottom and normally read them in order (and
> immediately read mail as it comes in, I have a sound alert configured to
> tell me about that), whereas I set the "newsgroups" (mailing lists gatewayed
> through Gmane, really) to threaded and read them thread by thread when I
> have time.
>
> And finally, IMHO NNTP is just a better solution for mailing lists than
> traditional mail delivery. The whole concept of mailing lists is primitive:
> Why forward the whole discussion to everyone rather than just letting people
> poll the shared server directly? And KDE offers a dedicated tool for NNTP,
> so why not use it?

See, your personal use case ;) All i said in the first place was that
every user uses what fits his needs. And leaving that up to the user
is what is polite and falls under be excellent to each other ;) (i do
know sometimes it's hard to be excellent or polite). If you think you
have to share/spread the word of what you use, you could do it better.
For example just tell people what you use and leave it up to them to
decide what's better ;) But as always, nobody has to take advice from
me. And as well, i'm always impressed by your knowledge.

[Kevin Kofler]

Thomas Janssen wrote:
> See, your personal use case ;) All i said in the first place was that
> every user uses what fits his needs. And leaving that up to the user
> is what is polite and falls under be excellent to each other ;) (i do
> know sometimes it's hard to be excellent or polite). If you think you
> have to share/spread the word of what you use, you could do it better.
> For example just tell people what you use and leave it up to them to
> decide what's better ;) But as always, nobody has to take advice from
> me. And as well, i'm always impressed by your knowledge.

I'm sorry, but it's just that to me asking "Why doesn't my browser work with 
my e-mail provider?" is a bit like asking "Why doesn't my cow lay eggs?" ;-) 
It's not what it is designed for. :-)

That said, of course there are reasons for webmail to exist, it wouldn't 
exist otherwise. ;-) But still, the option to use KMail with IMAP should at 
least be considered, especially as IMAP doesn't preclude using the webmail 
on machines on which you don't have access to KMail.

Kevin Kofler

[Mitchell Richters]

On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 11:01 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Thomas Janssen wrote:
> > See, your personal use case ;) All i said in the first place was that
> > every user uses what fits his needs. And leaving that up to the user
> > is what is polite and falls under be excellent to each other ;) (i do
> > know sometimes it's hard to be excellent or polite). If you think you
> > have to share/spread the word of what you use, you could do it better.
> > For example just tell people what you use and leave it up to them to
> > decide what's better ;) But as always, nobody has to take advice from
> > me. And as well, i'm always impressed by your knowledge.
>
> I'm sorry, but it's just that to me asking "Why doesn't my browser work
> with
> my e-mail provider?" is a bit like asking "Why doesn't my cow lay eggs?"
> ;-)
> It's not what it is designed for. :-)
>
> That said, of course there are reasons for webmail to exist, it wouldn't
> exist otherwise. ;-) But still, the option to use KMail with IMAP should at
> least be considered, especially as IMAP doesn't preclude using the webmail
> on machines on which you don't have access to KMail.
>    Kevin Kofler
>
> kde mailing list
> [e-mail]
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kde
> New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org

I personally admit I use my Gmail with an IMAP client. Thunderbird is what I
used to use, but I have been running KMail for the last fortnight. I've used
Evolution and I think it probably has the edge on KMail, but thats just my
personal opinion.

I will say though, I don't think theres anything wrong with using Gmail in a
browser. It offers a great user experience, better than any other webmail.
If you're not a fan of AJAX technology, you can roll it back to the legacy
HTML version :)

Cheers,
Mitch.

[Eli Wapniarski]

> I'm sorry, but it's just that to me asking "Why doesn't my browser work
> with my e-mail provider?" is a bit like asking "Why doesn't my cow lay
> eggs?" ;-) It's not what it is designed for. :-)
>
> That said, of course there are reasons for webmail to exist, it wouldn't
> exist otherwise. ;-) But still, the option to use KMail with IMAP should at
> least be considered, especially as IMAP doesn't preclude using the webmail
> on machines on which you don't have access to KMail.
>     Kevin Kofler

Kevin.... The question isn't why doesn't my browser work with my email 
provider, but rather why doesn't my browser work with a website that everybdoy 
else's browser work with. And.... its an important website for a lot of users. 
It is a relevant and important question.

Eli

[Anoop]

Hi Keven,

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Kevin Kofler  wrote:
> Anoop wrote:
> > Can someone tell me how to make Konqueror work with Gmail?
>
> Why use a web browser for e-mail?

I very much use KMail. But sometimes I do need to use Webmail say if I
am not on my workstation.

Thanks,
Anoop
> The best solution is to use KMail, follow the instructions for IMAP access
> and you can still keep all your messages on the server as with webmail
> (which also means you can still use the webmail on other machines, or even
> the same machine for that matter), but get an actual e-mail client which is
> much nicer to use than some AJAX crap in the browser.
>
> A web browser is not an e-mail client!
>
> That said, Konqueror's default KHTML engine can be persuaded to work with
> GMail by faking browser identifiers or such. And indeed there's also the
> WebKitPart, but that's not that great an idea as it's not the recommended
> HTML renderer in Konqueror (in fact the only reason it works at all is that
> Konqueror can embed any arbitrary KPart).
>
> Kevin Kofler
>
> kde mailing list
> [e-mail]
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kde
> New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org

[Mitchell Richters]

On 03/01/2010 09:59 PM, Anoop wrote:
> Hi Keven,
>
> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Kevin Kofler  wrote:
> > Anoop wrote:
> > > Can someone tell me how to make Konqueror work with Gmail?
> >
> > Why use a web browser for e-mail?
>
> I very much use KMail. But sometimes I do need to use Webmail say if I
> am not on my workstation.
>
> Thanks,
> Anoop
> > The best solution is to use KMail, follow the instructions for IMAP access
> > and you can still keep all your messages on the server as with webmail
> > (which also means you can still use the webmail on other machines, or even
> > the same machine for that matter), but get an actual e-mail client which is
> > much nicer to use than some AJAX crap in the browser.
> >
> > A web browser is not an e-mail client!
> >
> > That said, Konqueror's default KHTML engine can be persuaded to work with
> > GMail by faking browser identifiers or such. And indeed there's also the
> > WebKitPart, but that's not that great an idea as it's not the recommended
> > HTML renderer in Konqueror (in fact the only reason it works at all is that
> > Konqueror can embed any arbitrary KPart).
> >     Kevin Kofler
> >
> > kde mailing list
> > [e-mail]
> > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kde
> > New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org
>
> kde mailing list
> [e-mail]
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kde
> New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org

Worth mentioning to Anoop, if you're not on a webpage in Konqueror, you 
can't select the rendering engine via View > View Mode. If you're in a 
file manager session, it will only show you view options for changing 
the Window display (Icons, List, Details etc...).

Alexey mentions installing "webkitpart". I think its probably already 
installed if you changed the default layout renderer via System Settings 
(you wouldn't have had the option I don't think).

Cheers, Mitch.

[Anoop]

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Mitchell Richters  wrote:
> On 03/01/2010 09:59 PM, Anoop wrote:
> > Hi Keven,
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Kevin Kofler
> >  wrote:
> > > Anoop wrote:
> > > > Can someone tell me how to make Konqueror work with Gmail?
> > >
> > > Why use a web browser for e-mail?
> >
> > I very much use KMail. But sometimes I do need to use Webmail say if I
> > am not on my workstation.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Anoop
> > > The best solution is to use KMail, follow the instructions for IMAP
> > > access
> > > and you can still keep all your messages on the server as with webmail
> > > (which also means you can still use the webmail on other machines, or
> > > even
> > > the same machine for that matter), but get an actual e-mail client which
> > > is
> > > much nicer to use than some AJAX crap in the browser.
> > >
> > > A web browser is not an e-mail client!
> > >
> > > That said, Konqueror's default KHTML engine can be persuaded to work with
> > > GMail by faking browser identifiers or such. And indeed there's also the
> > > WebKitPart, but that's not that great an idea as it's not the recommended
> > > HTML renderer in Konqueror (in fact the only reason it works at all is
> > > that
> > > Konqueror can embed any arbitrary KPart).
> > >
> > > Kevin Kofler
> > >
> > > kde mailing list
> > > [e-mail]
> > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kde
> > > New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org
> >
> > kde mailing list
> > [e-mail]
> > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kde
> > New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org
>
> Worth mentioning to Anoop, if you're not on a webpage in Konqueror, you
> can't select the rendering engine via View > View Mode. If you're in a file
> manager session, it will only show you view options for changing the Window
> display (Icons, List, Details etc...).

Yes I saw that option coming up, when I was browsing.
> Alexey mentions installing "webkitpart". I think its probably already
> installed if you changed the default layout renderer via System Settings
> (you wouldn't have had the option I don't think).

Yes it was already installed.

Thanks a lot
-Anoop
> Cheers, Mitch.