KDE 4.11.00 intermittently forgets plasmoids (2013-10-05)

[Steven P. Ulrick]

> Hello, Everyone
> Lately after I logout of KDE and then log back in, my desktop
> background is sometimes changed to something that I did NOT have as
> my background, and all of my Plasmoids are gone...
>
> Here is a screenshot of how my desktop is NOT supposed to look:

http://afolkey2.us/gallery3/index.php/Assorted/KDE4_11_00-Desktop-Screenshot...
> Here is a screenshot of how my desktop is supposed to look:

http://afolkey2.us/gallery3/index.php/Assorted/KDE4_11_00-Desktop-Screenshot...
> I didn't feel like waiting until KDE loaded my desktop correctly, so
> I rebooted...
>
> This is on Fedora 19.  KDE version is 4.11.0.  Yes, that's from
> kde-unstable.  If you can help me figure out what is wrong, I can
> file a bug report.

Well, it did it again today.  But this time, the plasmoids, desktop
background & other settings were gone AFTER logging in after a reboot...
 Rebooting used to be how I got all of that back...

But I tried something new.  I logged out, and then logged back in the KDE
"Safe Session"  Doing that, my desktop looked just like it is supposed to:
http://afolkey2.us/gallery3/index.php/Assorted/KDE4_11_00-Desktop-Screenshot...

Unfortuately, when I log out of the safe session, and back into a regular
KDE session, it looks like this again:
http://afolkey2.us/gallery3/index.php/Assorted/KDE4_11_00-Desktop-Screenshot...

If you need any information that I am not providing, just let me know and I
will get that to you.

Steven P. Ulrick

[Patrick Boutilier]

Your correct desktop doesn't happen to be in a different activity by chance?

On 10/05/2013 02:27 PM, Steven Ulrick wrote:
> > Hello, Everyone
> > Lately after I logout of KDE and then log back in, my desktop
> > background is sometimes changed to something that I did NOT have as
> > my background, and all of my Plasmoids are gone...
> >
> > Here is a screenshot of how my desktop is NOT supposed to look:
>
> http://afolkey2.us/gallery3/index.php/Assorted/KDE4_11_00-Desktop-Screenshot...
> > Here is a screenshot of how my desktop is supposed to look:
>
> http://afolkey2.us/gallery3/index.php/Assorted/KDE4_11_00-Desktop-Screenshot...
> > I didn't feel like waiting until KDE loaded my desktop correctly, so
> > I rebooted...
> >
> > This is on Fedora 19.  KDE version is 4.11.0.  Yes, that's from
> > kde-unstable.  If you can help me figure out what is wrong, I can
> > file a bug report.
>
> Well, it did it again today.  But this time, the plasmoids, desktop
> background & other settings were gone AFTER logging in after a reboot...
>   Rebooting used to be how I got all of that back...
>
> But I tried something new.  I logged out, and then logged back in the
> KDE "Safe Session"  Doing that, my desktop looked just like it is
> supposed to:
> http://afolkey2.us/gallery3/index.php/Assorted/KDE4_11_00-Desktop-Screenshot...
>
> Unfortuately, when I log out of the safe session, and back into a
> regular KDE session, it looks like this again:
> http://afolkey2.us/gallery3/index.php/Assorted/KDE4_11_00-Desktop-Screenshot...
>
> If you need any information that I am not providing, just let me know
> and I will get that to you.
>
> Steven P. Ulrick
>
> kde mailing list
> [e-mail]
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kde
> New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org

[Steven P. Ulrick]

Well, I don't know for sure, but if I login to KDE Safe Mode and take a
screenshot of the "Activities" settings at the bottom of the screen,
this is what I see:
http://www.afolkey2.us/gallery3/index.php/Assorted/KDE4_11_2-Desktop-Screens...

If I take a similar screenshot while logging into a regular KDE
session, this is what it looks like:
http://www.afolkey2.us/gallery3/index.php/Assorted/KDE4_11_2-Desktop-Screens...

Activities may have something to do with my problem.  But, I tried them
a long time ago and decided that I wouldn't ever mess with them again
(they just weren't worth what I considered to be all the hassle.)
Translation: for quite a while KDE just respected all of my desktop
settings.  Then, without making any changes, my plasmoids and other
desktop settings just started to disappear when I logged out and then
back in.  Also, I used to be able to reboot and log back into a KDE
session that looked like it is suppsed to:
http://afolkey2.us/gallery3/index.php/Assorted/KDE4_11_00-Desktop-Screenshot...

But today when I rebooted and logged back in, I got this:
http://afolkey2.us/gallery3/index.php/Assorted/KDE4_11_00-Desktop-Screenshot...

Now, the only way to get my desktop looking like it is supposed to is
to login to the KDE Safe Mode...

On Sat, 05 Oct 2013 14:31:01 -0300
Patrick Boutilier  wrote:
> Your correct desktop doesn't happen to be in a different activity by
> chance?
>
> On 10/05/2013 02:27 PM, Steven Ulrick wrote:
> > > Hello, Everyone
> > > Lately after I logout of KDE and then log back in, my desktop
> > > background is sometimes changed to something that I did NOT have
> > > as my background, and all of my Plasmoids are gone...
> > >
> > > Here is a screenshot of how my desktop is NOT supposed to look:
> >
> > http://afolkey2.us/gallery3/index.php/Assorted/KDE4_11_00-Desktop-Screenshot...
> > > Here is a screenshot of how my desktop is supposed to look:
> >
> > http://afolkey2.us/gallery3/index.php/Assorted/KDE4_11_00-Desktop-Screenshot...
> > > I didn't feel like waiting until KDE loaded my desktop
> > > correctly, so I rebooted...
> > >
> > > This is on Fedora 19.  KDE version is 4.11.0.  Yes, that's from
> > > kde-unstable.  If you can help me figure out what is wrong, I can
> > > file a bug report.
> >
> > Well, it did it again today.  But this time, the plasmoids, desktop
> > background & other settings were gone AFTER logging in after a
> > reboot... Rebooting used to be how I got all of that back...
> >
> > But I tried something new.  I logged out, and then logged back in
> > the KDE "Safe Session"  Doing that, my desktop looked just like it
> > is supposed to:
> > http://afolkey2.us/gallery3/index.php/Assorted/KDE4_11_00-Desktop-Screenshot...
> >
> > Unfortuately, when I log out of the safe session, and back into a
> > regular KDE session, it looks like this again:
> > http://afolkey2.us/gallery3/index.php/Assorted/KDE4_11_00-Desktop-Screenshot...
> >
> > If you need any information that I am not providing, just let me
> > know and I will get that to you.
> >
> > Steven P. Ulrick
> >
> > kde mailing list
> > [e-mail]
> > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kde
> > New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org

[Reindl Harald]

Am 05.10.2013 19:27, schrieb Steven Ulrick:
> > This is on Fedora 19.  KDE version is 4.11.0.  Yes, that's from
> > kde-unstable.  If you can help me figure out what is wrong, I can
> > file a bug report.
>
> Well, it did it again today.  But this time, the plasmoids, desktop background & other settings were gone AFTER
> logging in after a reboot...  Rebooting used to be how I got all of that back...
>
> But I tried something new.  I logged out, and then logged back in the KDE "Safe Session"  Doing that, my desktop
> looked just like it is supposed to:
> http://afolkey2.us/gallery3/index.php/Assorted/KDE4_11_00-Desktop-Screenshot...
>
> Unfortuately, when I log out of the safe session, and back into a regular KDE session, it looks like this again:
> http://afolkey2.us/gallery3/index.php/Assorted/KDE4_11_00-Desktop-Screenshot...
>
> If you need any information that I am not providing, just let me know and I will get that to you

i had the same crap with the first 4.10 releases

it happens in ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc which is by stupidity
rewritten randomly and there is some race-condition where after the current settings
new ones with defaults are added with a higher ID, it's easy to fix and exit the desktop
with STRG+ALT+BACKSPACE (some smart guy in the past decided that you have to enable
this shortcut somewhere -> Google)

IMHO it is a *terrible* design mistake rewrite configurations if nothing has changed

[Steven P. Ulrick]

On Sat, 05 Oct 2013 19:54:26 +0200
Reindl Harald  wrote:
> Am 05.10.2013 19:27, schrieb Steven Ulrick:
> > > This is on Fedora 19.  KDE version is 4.11.0.  Yes, that's from
> > > kde-unstable.  If you can help me figure out what is wrong, I can
> > > file a bug report.
> >
> > Well, it did it again today.  But this time, the plasmoids, desktop
> > background & other settings were gone AFTER logging in after a
> > reboot...  Rebooting used to be how I got all of that back...
> >
> > But I tried something new.  I logged out, and then logged back in
> > the KDE "Safe Session"  Doing that, my desktop looked just like it
> > is supposed to:
> > http://afolkey2.us/gallery3/index.php/Assorted/KDE4_11_00-Desktop-Screenshot...
> >
> > Unfortuately, when I log out of the safe session, and back into a
> > regular KDE session, it looks like this again:
> > http://afolkey2.us/gallery3/index.php/Assorted/KDE4_11_00-Desktop-Screenshot...
> >
> > If you need any information that I am not providing, just let me
> > know and I will get that to you
>
> i had the same crap with the first 4.10 releases
>
> it happens in ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc which is
> by stupidity rewritten randomly and there is some race-condition
> where after the current settings new ones with defaults are added
> with a higher ID, it's easy to fix and exit the desktop with
> STRG+ALT+BACKSPACE (some smart guy in the past decided that you have
> to enable this shortcut somewhere -> Google)
>
> IMHO it is a *terrible* design mistake rewrite configurations if
> nothing has changed

I checked the contents of
"~/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc" and it appears to
contain all the plasmoids/settings that I WANT to load when I log into
KDE.  So, how it appears to me is that KDE is not overwriting my
plasma-desktop-appletsrc file, but it is just choosing to not LOAD it.

I wonder if there is a way to log out of KDE, and force KDE to read
"~/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc" instead of whatever it
is doing now...

[Reindl Harald]

Am 05.10.2013 20:02, schrieb Steven P. Ulrick:
> > > Unfortuately, when I log out of the safe session, and back into a
> > > regular KDE session, it looks like this again:
> > > http://afolkey2.us/gallery3/index.php/Assorted/KDE4_11_00-Desktop-Screenshot...
> > >
> > > If you need any information that I am not providing, just let me
> > > know and I will get that to you
> >
> > i had the same crap with the first 4.10 releases
> >
> > it happens in ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc which is
> > by stupidity rewritten randomly and there is some race-condition
> > where after the current settings new ones with defaults are added
> > with a higher ID, it's easy to fix and exit the desktop with
> > STRG+ALT+BACKSPACE (some smart guy in the past decided that you have
> > to enable this shortcut somewhere -> Google)
> >
> > IMHO it is a *terrible* design mistake rewrite configurations if
> > nothing has changed
>
> I checked the contents of
> "~/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc" and it appears to
> contain all the plasmoids/settings that I WANT to load when I log into
> KDE.  So, how it appears to me is that KDE is not overwriting my
> plasma-desktop-appletsrc file, but it is just choosing to not LOAD it

look again and more careful

*additionally* it contains unwanted crap which wins with higher ID's
look in the archive of this list and you will find the facts
too in my posts a few months ago

[Steven P. Ulrick]

On Sat, 05 Oct 2013 20:04:38 +0200
Reindl Harald  wrote:
> Am 05.10.2013 20:02, schrieb Steven P. Ulrick:
> > > > Unfortuately, when I log out of the safe session, and back into a
> > > > regular KDE session, it looks like this again:
> > > > http://afolkey2.us/gallery3/index.php/Assorted/KDE4_11_00-Desktop-Screenshot...
> > > >
> > > > If you need any information that I am not providing, just let me
> > > > know and I will get that to you
> > >
> > > i had the same crap with the first 4.10 releases
> > >
> > > it happens in ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc which is
> > > by stupidity rewritten randomly and there is some race-condition
> > > where after the current settings new ones with defaults are added
> > > with a higher ID, it's easy to fix and exit the desktop with
> > > STRG+ALT+BACKSPACE (some smart guy in the past decided that you
> > > have to enable this shortcut somewhere -> Google)
> > >
> > > IMHO it is a *terrible* design mistake rewrite configurations if
> > > nothing has changed
> >
> > I checked the contents of
> > "~/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc" and it appears to
> > contain all the plasmoids/settings that I WANT to load when I log
> > into KDE.  So, how it appears to me is that KDE is not overwriting
> > my plasma-desktop-appletsrc file, but it is just choosing to not
> > LOAD it
>
> look again and more careful

Yeah, now I see it.  My original settings with a whole bunch of junk
stuck at the end of the file...
> *additionally* it contains unwanted crap which wins with higher ID's
> look in the archive of this list and you will find the facts
> too in my posts a few months ago

I shall look at that information again.  Thanks for the reminder.

Steven P. Ulrick