Can't logout of kde 4.8

[freeslkr]

I can't logout/restart/shut down from a KDE session.  Nothing happens.  I'm on
Fedora 16 with the kde48 repo enabled.  I've tried it running kdm and gdm.  I
can logout of a GNOME session running either display manager.  I've recently
upgraded from Fedora 14, and this hasn't worked since the upgrade.  I can
suspend and switch user. Is anyone else having this problem, or does anyone have
ideas?

Thank you.

[Mircea Sava]

Greetings.

The way I see it the culprit clearly is the system upgrade, 
especially if you upgraded to Fedora 16 directly from Fedora 14.
No one seems to know or able to give a straight answer as to 
why, but the accepted wisdom is to upgrade Fedora from one 
release to the next and not jump ahead.
Also there is the issue of the upgrading method, which you 
didn't specify.
Fedora people officially recommend upgrading using preupgrade 
but even that, when used properly, can give faulty results.

Possible fix: backup and nuke your ~/.kde folder then hard 
restart and log in your KDE session.

Peace, and long life!

On Sunday 26 February 2012 04:45:19 freeslkr wrote:
>  I can't logout/restart/shut down from a KDE session.  Nothing 
happens.  I'm
>  on Fedora 16 with the kde48 repo enabled.  I've tried it 
running kdm and
>  gdm.  I can logout of a GNOME session running either display 
manager.  I've
>  recently upgraded from Fedora 14, and this hasn't worked since 
the upgrade.
>   I can suspend and switch user. Is anyone else having this 
problem, or does
>  anyone have ideas?
>  
>  Thank you. 

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[freeslkr]

Mircea Sava <msava@...> writes:

>  On Sunday 26 February 2012 04:45:19 freeslkr wrote: 
> > I can't logout/restart/shut down from a KDE session.  Nothing
>
> > happens.  I'm on Fedora 16 with the kde48 repo enabled.
> > I've tried it running kdm and
> > gdm.  I can logout of a GNOME session running either display 
> > manager.  I've recently upgraded from Fedora 14, and this
> > hasn't worked since the upgrade.
> > I can suspend and switch user. Is anyone else having this 
> > problem, or does anyone have ideas?
> > 
> > Thank you. 
>  Greetings.
>  
>  The way I see it the culprit clearly is the system upgrade, 
>  especially if you upgraded to Fedora 16 directly from Fedora 14.
>  No one seems to know or able to give a straight answer as to 
>  why, but the accepted wisdom is to upgrade Fedora from one 
>  release to the next and not jump ahead. 
Would you mind elaborating, as I'm not able to follow your train
of thought as to why it's clearly my upgrade method.  Even if I
just accept that conclusion, I don't see what to change on my
system to get KDE logouts working.  Do you recommend that I
install some specific packages, remove some specific packages,
change configuration somewhere?

>  Also there is the issue of the upgrading method, which you 
>  didn't specify.
>  Fedora people officially recommend upgrading using preupgrade 
>  but even that, when used properly, can give faulty results. 
I used the preupgrade method.  I'll spare all of the exact details,
but after upgrading, I ran:
>  yum groupupdate Base "KDE Software Compilation" 
to
ensure the minimal set of expected packages are installed.

I ran:
>  yum list extras 
to make sure there are no lingering packages
from Fedora 14.

I used `rpmverify` to verify all packages in the rpm database.
Everything checks out OK, except for some expected configuration
files.

I used `rpm -q -f` on all system files to find and handle any
leftover junk from removed packages.

All of this left me fairly confident that the bits on my HDDs
are correct.  Of course, I may be missing a package or
configuration change that would have happened if I had gone
the route of wiping my HDDs and doing a fresh install.

>  Possible fix: backup and nuke your ~/.kde folder then hard 
>  restart and log in your KDE session. 
This was done before my first login to KDE after the upgrade.

I failed to mention in the original post that attempted logouts
leave no traces in system logs or .xsession-errors.

[Timothy Murphy]

freeslkr wrote:

>  I can't logout/restart/shut down from a KDE session.  
As a matter of interest, does "shutdown -r now" as root work?

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[freeslkr]

Timothy Murphy <gayleard@...> writes:

>  freeslkr wrote:
>  
>  > I can't logout/restart/shut down from a KDE session. 
>  
>  As a matter of interest, does "shutdown -r now" as root work? 
Yes, it does.

[Timothy Murphy]

freeslkr wrote:

=>> > I can't logout/restart/shut down from a KDE session.
> > 
> > As a matter of interest, does "shutdown -r now" as root work?
>  
>  Yes, it does. 
I actually had a mild version of the symptom you describe
under KDE-4.7 , though it only occurred occasionally,
and seemed to have disappeared completely.
It hasn't occurred with KDE-4.8, which I am running at present
(from Rex Dieter's kde48 repo).

I don't mind saying "shutdown -r now" occasionally ...


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s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College Dublin

[freeslkr]

Timothy Murphy <gayleard@...> writes:

>  freeslkr wrote:
>  
> >>> I can't logout/restart/shut down from a KDE session.
> >> 
> >> As a matter of interest, does "shutdown -r now" as root work?
> > 
> > Yes, it does.
>  
>  I actually had a mild version of the symptom you describe
>  under KDE-4.7 , though it only occurred occasionally,
>  and seemed to have disappeared completely.
>  It hasn't occurred with KDE-4.8, which I am running at present
>  (from Rex Dieter's kde48 repo).
>  
>  I don't mind saying "shutdown -r now" occasionally ... 
I can also poweroff and reboot from an xterm as a regular user.
I usually ctrl-alt-bkspace to kill X and bring me back to the display
manager. I wouldn't mind either, but I end up losing some settings,
like recent apps, background choices, Notes on the desktop, ....

[Kevin Kofler]

freeslkr wrote:
>  I can't logout/restart/shut down from a KDE session. Nothing
> happens. 
>  I'm on Fedora 16 with the kde48 repo enabled. I've tried it running kdm
>  and gdm. I can logout of a GNOME session running either display manager. 
>  I've recently upgraded from Fedora 14, and this hasn't worked since the
>  upgrade. I can suspend and switch user. Is anyone else having this
>  problem, or does anyone have ideas? 
I wonder if this is the same as the issue reported against Fedora 17:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=796969

Can anybody else running Fedora 16 with kde48 reproduce this?

        Kevin Kofler

[Ed Greshko]

On 02/27/2012 09:35 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>  freeslkr wrote:
> > I can't logout/restart/shut down from a KDE session. Nothing happens. 
> > I'm on Fedora 16 with the kde48 repo enabled. I've tried it running kdm
> > and gdm. I can logout of a GNOME session running either display manager. 
> > I've recently upgraded from Fedora 14, and this hasn't worked since the
> > upgrade. I can suspend and switch user. Is anyone else having this
> > problem, or does anyone have ideas?
>  I wonder if this is the same as the issue reported against Fedora 17:
>  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=796969
>
>  Can anybody else running Fedora 16 with kde48 reproduce this?
>  
I have a scratch F16 install running in a VM with the KDE48 enabled and
fully updated.

I cannot reproduce the problem.


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[Martin Kho]

On Monday 27 February 2012 10:48:29 Ed Greshko wrote:
>  On 02/27/2012 09:35 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>  > freeslkr wrote:
>  >> I can't logout/restart/shut down from a KDE session. Nothing happens.
>  >> I'm on Fedora 16 with the kde48 repo enabled. I've tried it running
>  >> kdm
>  >> and gdm. I can logout of a GNOME session running either display
>  >> manager.
>  >> I've recently upgraded from Fedora 14, and this hasn't worked since
>  >> the
>  >> upgrade. I can suspend and switch user. Is anyone else having this
>  >> problem, or does anyone have ideas?
>  > 
>  > I wonder if this is the same as the issue reported against Fedora 17:
>  > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=796969
>  > 
>  > Can anybody else running Fedora 16 with kde48 reproduce this?
>  
>  I have a scratch F16 install running in a VM with the KDE48 enabled and
>  fully updated.
>  
>  I cannot reproduce the problem. 
Hi,

Can't it be the change in UID from 500+ to 1000+?

Martin Kho

[freeslkr]

Martin Kho <lists.kho@...> writes:

>  Can't it be the change in UID from 500+ to 1000+? 
I'm not sure, but I've had my user UIDs at 1000+ for a number of years
and Fedora versions.

[Martin Kho]

On Tuesday 28 February 2012 05:31:05 freeslkr wrote:
>  Martin Kho <lists.kho@...> writes:
>  > Can't it be the change in UID from 500+ to 1000+?
>  
>  I'm not sure, but I've had my user UIDs at 1000+ for a number of years
>  and Fedora versions. 
I've reread your post and saw that my suggestion was complete nonsense :-) I 
mist your point, sorry for that.

Martin Kho
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[Colin J Thomson]

On Monday 27 Feb 2012 02:35:38 Kevin Kofler wrote:
>  freeslkr wrote:
>  > I can't logout/restart/shut down from a KDE session. Nothing happens.
>  > I'm on Fedora 16 with the kde48 repo enabled. I've tried it running kdm
>  > and gdm. I can logout of a GNOME session running either display manager.
>  > I've recently upgraded from Fedora 14, and this hasn't worked since the
>  > upgrade. I can suspend and switch user. Is anyone else having this
>  > problem, or does anyone have ideas?
>  
>  I wonder if this is the same as the issue reported against Fedora 17:
>  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=796969
>  
>  Can anybody else running Fedora 16 with kde48 reproduce this? 
I can't reproduce this problem on this box, F16/kde4.8 (clean install)

Colin
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Registered Linux user number #342953

[freeslkr]

Kevin Kofler <kevin.kofler@...> writes:

>  I wonder if this is the same as the issue reported against Fedora
> 17:
>  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=796969 
That's interesting. No one mentions logout in that discussion. I can
poweroff and reboot as a regular user in an xterm (with selinux in 
enforcing mode). I see that a systemd update is coming ... I'll apply
that tonight and see if anything changes.

Kevin, can you tell me what generates the logout/restart/shutdown
buttons in the KDE menu and how they are hooked to code?

Thank you.

[Kevin Kofler]

freeslkr wrote:

>  Kevin Kofler <kevin.kofler@...> writes:
>  
> > I wonder if this is the same as the issue reported against Fedora 17:
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=796969
>  
>  That's interesting. No one mentions logout in that discussion. I can
>  poweroff and reboot as a regular user in an xterm (with selinux in
>  enforcing mode). I see that a systemd update is coming ... I'll apply
>  that tonight and see if anything changes. 
Actually, we figured out what caused the Fedora 17 issue and it cannot 
possibly be what you're seeing, the offending systemd change did not go into 
Fedora 16, only Fedora 17.

>  Kevin, can you tell me what generates the logout/restart/shutdown
>  buttons in the KDE menu and how they are hooked to code? 
The Plasma workspace talks to ksmserver, which handles logouts directly and 
uses libkworkspace to talk to KDM or to ConsoleKit for shutdown and restart. 
Pretty much all the relevant code is in kde-workspace.

        Kevin Kofler