F24 - kdepim question

[Colin J Thomson]

Hi,

With the up and coming F24 beta release I wonder if anyone here is using F24 
and the PIM suite, specifically Kmail as I "think" that uses Kmail 5

Any comments on how well kmail performs or any issues with it would be 
appreciated. If I where to switch/test it would be with IMAP accounts.

Thanks

Colin

[José Abílio Matos]

On Saturday, April 30, 2016 9:33:39 PM WEST Colin J Thomson wrote:
> Hi,
>
> With the up and coming F24 beta release I wonder if anyone here is using
> F24  and the PIM suite, specifically Kmail as I "think" that uses Kmail 5
>
> Any comments on how well kmail performs or any issues with it would be 
> appreciated. If I where to switch/test it would be with IMAP accounts.
>
> Thanks
>
> Colin

Hi Colin,
    I have been using kmail on F24 since before alpha.

FWIW I am answering this on kmail.

It works, just as you I also have imap configured for 8 accounts and I had 
not any problem. Specifically the case that worried me the most was the 
upgrade process but in the end it went smoothly. :-)

On my laptop where I decided to ditch the configuration files and the 
previous accounts to start a new process I have been getting problems. But 
this is the subject of another thread. :-)

Regards,

[Colin J Thomson]

Hi José

On Tuesday 03 May 2016 10:03:15 José Matos wrote:
> On Saturday, April 30, 2016 9:33:39 PM WEST Colin J Thomson wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > With the up and coming F24 beta release I wonder if anyone here is using
> > F24  and the PIM suite, specifically Kmail as I "think" that uses Kmail 5
>
> Hi Colin,
>    I have been using kmail on F24 since before alpha.
>
> FWIW I am answering this on kmail.

Thanks very much for the reply and info and that your running IMAP as well.
Nice to read the upgrade went smoothly :-)
> On my laptop where I decided to ditch the configuration files and the
> previous accounts to start a new process I have been getting problems. But
> this is the subject of another thread. :-)

Yes I have seen that thread and will watch it with interest..

Regards

Colin

[Colin J Thomson]

On 03/05/2016 19:21, Colin J Thomson wrote:
> Hi José
>
> On Tuesday 03 May 2016 10:03:15 José Matos wrote:
> Hi Colin,
>    I have been using kmail on F24 since before alpha.
>
> FWIW I am answering this on kmail.
>
> Thanks very much for the reply and info and that your running IMAP as 
> well.
> Nice to read the upgrade went smoothly :-)

Ok, the upgrade to F24 went quite well using DNF system-upgrade.
However the updated Kmail did not :-( It is unusable with my ISP's IMAP 
server
which is courier. I am aware that there are some bug fixes (in the newer 
PIM release)
for courier IMAP but I don't think they would help my situation.

As it stands on every mail check old messages along with new are 
re-downloaded and in
turn these are older ones are ghost messages so I cannot read or delete 
them.
Over an evening, well an hour or so I had hundreds of dupes/ghost emails 
in my various
folders making Kmail totally unusable :-(

However... with Gmail's IMAP it is working Extremely well indeed.

For the time being I will use Webmail for my ISP's IMAP and search 
kde.bugs for reports
as I have seen this problem or similar posted on other forums.

Maybe 16.04 has fixes.. need to look out the changelog.

Plasma in F24 though is looking good and working well.

Colin

[José Abílio Matos]

On Friday, May 6, 2016 9:17:07 PM WEST Colin J Thomson wrote:
> Ok, the upgrade to F24 went quite well using DNF system-upgrade.
> However the updated Kmail did not :-( It is unusable with my ISP's IMAP
> server
> which is courier. I am aware that there are some bug fixes (in the newer
> PIM release)
> for courier IMAP but I don't think they would help my situation.
>
> As it stands on every mail check old messages along with new are
> re-downloaded and in
> turn these are older ones are ghost messages so I cannot read or delete
> them.
> Over an evening, well an hour or so I had hundreds of dupes/ghost emails
> in my various
> folders making Kmail totally unusable :-(

:-(

I have different providers with different mail servers. One of the providers 
runs cyrus-imap and another has an outlook server. No problems on any of them. 
:-)
> However... with Gmail's IMAP it is working Extremely well indeed.

I agree, that was one of the places where I noticed a noticeable speed 
improvement. Congratulation to Daniel and co.

I had my laptop turned on every week and today after restarting it I noticed, 
by accident, that kmail just works. No more problems with exausted processes/
threads. :-)
> For the time being I will use Webmail for my ISP's IMAP and search
> kde.bugs for reports
> as I have seen this problem or similar posted on other forums.
>
> Maybe 16.04 has fixes.. need to look out the changelog.
>
> Plasma in F24 though is looking good and working well.

+1
> Colin

[Colin J Thomson]

On 07/05/2016 18:17, José Matos wrote:
> On Friday, May 6, 2016 9:17:07 PM WEST Colin J Thomson wrote:
> As it stands on every mail check old messages along with new are
> re-downloaded and in
> turn these are older ones are ghost messages so I cannot read or delete
> them.
> Over an evening, well an hour or so I had hundreds of dupes/ghost 
> emails
> in my various
> folders making Kmail totally unusable :-(
>
> :-(
>
> I have different providers with different mail servers. One of the 
> providers
> runs cyrus-imap and another has an outlook server. No problems on any 
> of them.
> :-)

That's good to know, hopefully that will narrow things down,
> However... with Gmail's IMAP it is working Extremely well indeed.
>
> I agree, that was one of the places where I noticed a noticeable speed
> improvement. Congratulation to Daniel and co.

+1
> For the time being I will use Webmail for my ISP's IMAP and search
> kde.bugs for reports
> as I have seen this problem or similar posted on other forums.
> Maybe 16.04 has fixes.. need to look out the changelog.

OK from what I have read, the changelog from 15.08 to 16.04 especially
PIM wise is huge:

https://www.kde.org/announcements/fulllog_applications.php?version=16.04.0

So I will hold off digging too deep on kde.bugs for now :)

Thanks for you comments José, nice to get other PIM users experiences.

Regards

Colin

[Colin J Thomson]

On 08/05/2016 12:57, Colin J Thomson wrote:
> Maybe 16.04 has fixes.. need to look out the changelog.
>
> OK from what I have read, the changelog from 15.08 to 16.04 especially
> PIM wise is huge:
>
> https://www.kde.org/announcements/fulllog_applications.php?version=16.04.0

Mini update..

I have tried to get to the bottom of this, I even setup an account on my 
"test"
user login but the same results.

There are many similar oldish bugs and a lot of the Devs comments 
suggest trying kmail 5.2
or newer.

I hate to ask but will there be a newer version of "pim" for F24, 16.04? 
I
did look at rebuilding from the src.rpms but it is more complex than I 
am used
to, plus I could not find kdepim 16.04 src.rpm so I guess there maybe 
issues.

Colin

[Mike Goodwin]

On Friday, May 06, 2016 09:17:07 PM Colin J Thomson wrote:
> On 03/05/2016 19:21, Colin J Thomson wrote:
> > Hi José
> >
> > On Tuesday 03 May 2016 10:03:15 José Matos wrote:
> >
> > Hi Colin,
> >
> > I have been using kmail on F24 since before alpha.
> >
> > FWIW I am answering this on kmail.
> >
> > Thanks very much for the reply and info and that your running IMAP as
> > well.
> > Nice to read the upgrade went smoothly :-)
>
> Ok, the upgrade to F24 went quite well using DNF system-upgrade.
> However the updated Kmail did not :-( It is unusable with my ISP's IMAP
> server
> which is courier. I am aware that there are some bug fixes (in the newer
> PIM release)
> for courier IMAP but I don't think they would help my situation.
>
> As it stands on every mail check old messages along with new are
> re-downloaded and in
> turn these are older ones are ghost messages so I cannot read or delete
> them.
> Over an evening, well an hour or so I had hundreds of dupes/ghost emails
> in my various
> folders making Kmail totally unusable :-(

I have noticed this behavior when using certain catch-all filters. For me, the 
filters were the culprit causing all mail to be duplicated ( and then deleted 
) because this is apparently the way it works on email.
> However... with Gmail's IMAP it is working Extremely well indeed.
>
> For the time being I will use Webmail for my ISP's IMAP and search
> kde.bugs for reports
> as I have seen this problem or similar posted on other forums.
>
> Maybe 16.04 has fixes.. need to look out the changelog.
>
> Plasma in F24 though is looking good and working well.
>
> Colin
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[Colin J Thomson]

On 17/05/2016 21:34, Mike Goodwin wrote:
> On Friday, May 06, 2016 09:17:07 PM Colin J Thomson wrote:
> On 03/05/2016 19:21, Colin J Thomson wrote:
> Ok, the upgrade to F24 went quite well using DNF system-upgrade.
> However the updated Kmail did not :-( It is unusable with my ISP's IMAP
> server
> which is courier. I am aware that there are some bug fixes (in the 
> newer
> PIM release)
> for courier IMAP but I don't think they would help my situation.
>
> As it stands on every mail check old messages along with new are
> re-downloaded and in
> turn these are older ones are ghost messages so I cannot read or delete
> them.
> Over an evening, well an hour or so I had hundreds of dupes/ghost 
> emails
> in my various
> folders making Kmail totally unusable :-(
>
> I have noticed this behavior when using certain catch-all filters. For 
> me, the
> filters were the culprit causing all mail to be duplicated ( and then 
> deleted
> ) because this is apparently the way it works on email.

Ah that is most interesting Mike, I have a 15-20 filters on the IMAP 
account that
kmail 5 has problems with. So that will be worth checking.

Thanks,

Colin

[Colin J Thomson]

On 17/05/2016 21:54, Colin J Thomson wrote:
> On 17/05/2016 21:34, Mike Goodwin wrote:
> On Friday, May 06, 2016 09:17:07 PM Colin J Thomson wrote:
> On 03/05/2016 19:21, Colin J Thomson wrote:
>
> Ok, the upgrade to F24 went quite well using DNF system-upgrade.
> However the updated Kmail did not :-( It is unusable with my ISP's IMAP
> server
> which is courier. I am aware that there are some bug fixes (in the 
> newer
> PIM release)
> for courier IMAP but I don't think they would help my situation.
>
> As it stands on every mail check old messages along with new are
> re-downloaded and in
> turn these are older ones are ghost messages so I cannot read or delete
> them.
> Over an evening, well an hour or so I had hundreds of dupes/ghost 
> emails
> in my various
> folders making Kmail totally unusable :-(
>
> I have noticed this behavior when using certain catch-all filters. For 
> me, the
> filters were the culprit causing all mail to be duplicated ( and then 
> deleted
> ) because this is apparently the way it works on email.
>
> Ah that is most interesting Mike, I have a 15-20 filters on the IMAP
> account that
> kmail 5 has problems with. So that will be worth checking.

Sadly removing the filtering did not help but thanks for the suggestion.

I'll do some more research and bug hunting over the weekend.

Colin