In switching from Gnome to KDE, would I be wise to completely remove gnome and default gnome applications from my system, even if my installed fedora flavor is the default workstation/gnome? Thanks.
On Tuesday, 18 March 2025 04:52:07 Western European Standard Time Maxwell Evans via kde wrote:
In switching from Gnome to KDE, would I be wise to completely remove gnome and default gnome applications from my system, even if my installed fedora flavor is the default workstation/gnome? Thanks.
There is no need to do so.
Yup, This make sense. I figured it would be good to have less bloat but then if I want to roll back it would be a good Idea. Thank you and have a safe night/day!
On 3/18/25 2:07 AM, José Abílio Matos via kde wrote:
On Tuesday, 18 March 2025 04:52:07 Western European Standard Time Maxwell Evans via kde wrote:
In switching from Gnome to KDE, would I be wise to completely remove
gnome and default gnome applications from my system, even if my
installed fedora flavor is the default workstation/gnome? Thanks.
There is no need to do so.
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On Tue, Mar 18, 2025, at 12:25 PM, Maxwell Evans via kde wrote:
Yup, This make sense. I figured it would be good to have less bloat but then if I want to roll back it would be a good Idea. Thank you and have a safe night/day!
It is possible to install additional desktop environments and choose which one you want. If you find you use one environment much more than another, and that environment has a spin, then using the spin as your base install gives a more consistent experience. You may wish to consider a fresh install when next upgrading Fedora, but no need to rush and uninstall Gnome unless disk space requirements are a big constraint.
On 3/18/25 2:07 AM, José Abílio Matos via kde wrote:
On Tuesday, 18 March 2025 04:52:07 Western European Standard Time Maxwell Evans via kde wrote:
In switching from Gnome to KDE, would I be wise to completely remove
gnome and default gnome applications from my system, even if my
installed fedora flavor is the default workstation/gnome? Thanks.
There is no need to do so.
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On Mon, 2025-03-17 at 21:52 -0700, Maxwell Evans via kde wrote:
In switching from Gnome to KDE, would I be wise to completely remove gnome and default gnome applications from my system, even if my installed fedora flavor is the default workstation/gnome? Thanks.
There's no need. I use KDE/Plasma but also some Gnome apps, including Evolution (which I'm using to send this reply), so I need at least the GTK libs as well.
poc
Do keep in mind that some apps dont appreciate when you switch from one to another. Chrome is a good example; when you switch, for me anyway, all sites get logged out.
Le mar. 18 mars 2025, 6 h 52 a.m., Patrick O'Callaghan via kde < kde@lists.fedoraproject.org> a écrit :
On Mon, 2025-03-17 at 21:52 -0700, Maxwell Evans via kde wrote:
In switching from Gnome to KDE, would I be wise to completely remove gnome and default gnome applications from my system, even if my installed fedora flavor is the default workstation/gnome? Thanks.
There's no need. I use KDE/Plasma but also some Gnome apps, including Evolution (which I'm using to send this reply), so I need at least the GTK libs as well.
poc
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On Tue, 2025-03-18 at 07:16 -0400, Steve Cossette wrote:
Do keep in mind that some apps dont appreciate when you switch from one to another. Chrome is a good example; when you switch, for me anyway, all sites get logged out.
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I mostly use Firefox but on the very occasional switch to Gnome to try something I've never seen what you describe. AFAIK browsers store their login cookies in a desktop-independent way, though I suppose there could be exceptions.
poc
On 2025-03-18 08:48, Patrick O'Callaghan via kde wrote:
On Tue, 2025-03-18 at 07:16 -0400, Steve Cossette wrote:
Do keep in mind that some apps dont appreciate when you switch from one to another. Chrome is a good example; when you switch, for me anyway, all sites get logged out.
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I mostly use Firefox but on the very occasional switch to Gnome to try something I've never seen what you describe. AFAIK browsers store their login cookies in a desktop-independent way, though I suppose there could be exceptions.
A bit off topic, but I have found that if you ssh into a machine, then run Chrome (I believe wayland was being used on source end), the saved passwords don't show up. They do if run locally directly on the machine. I haven't figured out why yet.
poc
On 18 Mar 2025, at 13:15, Patrick Boutilier via kde kde@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
A bit off topic, but I have found that if you ssh into a machine, then run Chrome (I believe wayland was being used on source end), the saved passwords don't show up. They do if run locally directly on the machine. I haven't figured out why yet.
I would guess you need access to the gnome keyring?
Barry
On Tue, 2025-03-18 at 10:15 -0300, Patrick Boutilier via kde wrote:
On 2025-03-18 08:48, Patrick O'Callaghan via kde wrote:
On Tue, 2025-03-18 at 07:16 -0400, Steve Cossette wrote:
Do keep in mind that some apps dont appreciate when you switch from one to another. Chrome is a good example; when you switch, for me anyway, all sites get logged out.
[Please don't top-post. See the list Guidelines]
I mostly use Firefox but on the very occasional switch to Gnome to try something I've never seen what you describe. AFAIK browsers store their login cookies in a desktop-independent way, though I suppose there could be exceptions.
A bit off topic, but I have found that if you ssh into a machine, then run Chrome (I believe wayland was being used on source end), the saved passwords don't show up. They do if run locally directly on the machine. I haven't figured out why yet.
Not an expert, but IIRC a site is "logged out" when a local cookie is no longer valid, either because the browser (or something else) deleted it or because it has a validity window at the server end. If your browser deletes cookies on closing a session then you will need to log in again, but otherwise this shouldn't be necessary.
poc
On Tue, 2025-03-18 at 13:41 +0000, Barry via kde wrote:
On 18 Mar 2025, at 13:15, Patrick Boutilier via kde kde@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
A bit off topic, but I have found that if you ssh into a machine, then run Chrome (I believe wayland was being used on source end), the saved passwords don't show up. They do if run locally directly on the machine. I haven't figured out why yet.
I would guess you need access to the gnome keyring?
Passwords yes, but why would the keyring be used for storing cookies?
poc
On Tue, Mar 18, 2025 at 1:04 PM Patrick O'Callaghan via kde < kde@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:
On Tue, 2025-03-18 at 13:41 +0000, Barry via kde wrote:
On 18 Mar 2025, at 13:15, Patrick Boutilier via kde <
kde@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:
A bit off topic, but I have found that if you ssh into a machine, then
run Chrome (I believe wayland was being used on source end), the saved passwords don't show up. They do if run locally directly on the machine. I haven't figured out why yet.
I would guess you need access to the gnome keyring?
Passwords yes, but why would the keyring be used for storing cookies?
poc
I think the browser stores some kind of user secret in the keyring. And when you switch DE, that secret gets lost, wiping the cookies.
That's my thought, though. But yes, that happens with alot of Chrome-based browsers that I use. Not sure about Firefox ones, I don't use two DEs at a time myself.
On 18/3/25 22:48, Patrick O'Callaghan via kde wrote:
On Tue, 2025-03-18 at 07:16 -0400, Steve Cossette wrote:
Do keep in mind that some apps dont appreciate when you switch from one to another. Chrome is a good example; when you switch, for me anyway, all sites get logged out.
[Please don't top-post. See the list Guidelines]
I mostly use Firefox but on the very occasional switch to Gnome to try something I've never seen what you describe. AFAIK browsers store their login cookies in a desktop-independent way, though I suppose there could be exceptions.
I use the upstream versions of Firefox and Thunderbird, which as far as I am aware are both GTK applications and I have not seen any difference in functionality/operation between Gnome and KDE/Plasma. As long as you have the GTK libraries available Gnome applications should run fine in KDE. I installed the Gnome centric version of Fedora and then used the DNF GROUPINSTALL functionality to install KDE/PLASMA and I also switched from GDM to SDDM as my DM, but in reality switching away from GDM is not really necessary it just depends on what sort of display you want. If you have both installed your DM will reference both environments and provide you with the ability to select which Desktop you want to login to.
The one thing you might find is there is there are some Gnome applications that set up there "start menu" entries under groupings that KDE doesn't cater for hence don't show under KDE. Also some applications set up their "start menu" entries to specify to only display them under Gnome so those won't show up under KDE either without modification.
Under Gnome it is very difficult to add icons to your Desktop without a Gnome addon, whose name I have forgotten, but if you are using that Gnome addon and you install KDE/PLASMA, and right click on your desktop to add icons/shortcuts to the desktop, unless you remove the addon from the autostart environment it will overly the KDE Desktop with the icons you had on your Gnome Desktop.
regards, Steve
poc
On 19/3/25 07:40, Steve Cossette via kde wrote:
On Tue, Mar 18, 2025 at 1:04 PM Patrick O'Callaghan via kde kde@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Tue, 2025-03-18 at 13:41 +0000, Barry via kde wrote: > > > On 18 Mar 2025, at 13:15, Patrick Boutilier via kde <kde@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > > > > A bit off topic, but I have found that if you ssh into a machine, then run Chrome (I believe wayland was being used on source end), the saved passwords don't show up. They do if run locally directly on the machine. I haven't figured out why yet. > > I would guess you need access to the gnome keyring? Passwords yes, but why would the keyring be used for storing cookies? pocI think the browser stores some kind of user secret in the keyring. And when you switch DE, that secret gets lost, wiping the cookies.
That's my thought, though. But yes, that happens with alot of Chrome-based browsers that I use. Not sure about Firefox ones, I don't use two DEs at a time myself.
I have both installed and sometimes switch between them when a site doesn't conform to the W3C standards and hence doesn't display properly with Firefox, but in my view Chrome doesn't work properly with it cache compared to Firefox. I configure Firefox to wipe cookies and everything else at Firefox shutdown, but I can't get Chrome to do the same thing, it seems to only provide manual functionality. With that functionality active I haven't found any differences between running either under Gnome or KDE when I switch between the two, and I don't have the browser saving passwords, if I want to save a password I do that on an external electronic device so that they are available in all OS's I run. I also use Thunderbird with with IMAP and SMTP (if needed) password stored internally, and I don't have any issue with those passwords being used for mail access under both KDE and Gnome when I switch between the two.
regards, Steve
On 18/3/25 20:40, Benson Muite via kde wrote:
On Tue, Mar 18, 2025, at 12:25 PM, Maxwell Evans via kde wrote:
Yup, This make sense. I figured it would be good to have less bloat but then if I want to roll back it would be a good Idea. Thank you and have a safe night/day!
It is possible to install additional desktop environments and choose which one you want. If you find you use one environment much more than another, and that environment has a spin, then using the spin as your base install gives a more consistent experience. You may wish to consider a fresh install when next upgrading Fedora, but no need to rush and uninstall Gnome unless disk space requirements are a big constraint.
On 3/18/25 2:07 AM, José Abílio Matos via kde wrote:
On Tuesday, 18 March 2025 04:52:07 Western European Standard Time Maxwell Evans via kde wrote:
In switching from Gnome to KDE, would I be wise to completely remove gnome and default gnome applications from my system, even if my installed fedora flavor is the default workstation/gnome? Thanks.
There is no need to do so.
Just one word of warning on this, as far as I am aware Fedora are standardising on Gnome as their default environment, and as such I haven't seen any "live" implementation that provides KDE instead of Gnome, hence if you want KDE you have to install it as an addon anyway.
regards, Steve
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On Wed, 2025-03-19 at 09:02 +1100, Stephen Morris via kde wrote:
Just one word of warning on this, as far as I am aware Fedora are standardising on Gnome as their default environment, and as such I haven't seen any "live" implementation that provides KDE instead of Gnome, hence if you want KDE you have to install it as an addon anyway.
Not any more. The forthcoming release of Fedora 42 will include KDE as a first-class option alongside Gnome. Furthermore, the KDE version of Workstation has been available for the past several releases, not just as an add-on. I'm using it right now in fact.
poc
On March 18, 2025 7:02:37 p.m. ADT, Stephen Morris via kde kde@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
On 18/3/25 20:40, Benson Muite via kde wrote:
On Tue, Mar 18, 2025, at 12:25 PM, Maxwell Evans via kde wrote:
Yup, This make sense. I figured it would be good to have less bloat but then if I want to roll back it would be a good Idea. Thank you and have a safe night/day!
It is possible to install additional desktop environments and choose which one you want. If you find you use one environment much more than another, and that environment has a spin, then using the spin as your base install gives a more consistent experience. You may wish to consider a fresh install when next upgrading Fedora, but no need to rush and uninstall Gnome unless disk space requirements are a big constraint.
On 3/18/25 2:07 AM, José Abílio Matos via kde wrote:
On Tuesday, 18 March 2025 04:52:07 Western European Standard Time Maxwell Evans via kde wrote:
In switching from Gnome to KDE, would I be wise to completely remove gnome and default gnome applications from my system, even if my installed fedora flavor is the default workstation/gnome? Thanks.
There is no need to do so.
Just one word of warning on this, as far as I am aware Fedora are standardising on Gnome as their default environment, and as such I haven't seen any "live" implementation that provides KDE instead of Gnome, hence if you want KDE you have to install it as an addon anyway.
regards, Steve
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On Wed, 2025-03-19 at 08:57 +1100, Stephen Morris via kde wrote:
On 19/3/25 07:40, Steve Cossette via kde wrote:
On Tue, Mar 18, 2025 at 1:04 PM Patrick O'Callaghan via kde kde@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Tue, 2025-03-18 at 13:41 +0000, Barry via kde wrote: > > > On 18 Mar 2025, at 13:15, Patrick Boutilier via kde <kde@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > > > > A bit off topic, but I have found that if you ssh into a machine, then run Chrome (I believe wayland was being used on source end), the saved passwords don't show up. They do if run locally directly on the machine. I haven't figured out why yet. > > I would guess you need access to the gnome keyring? Passwords yes, but why would the keyring be used for storing cookies? pocI think the browser stores some kind of user secret in the keyring. And when you switch DE, that secret gets lost, wiping the cookies.
That's my thought, though. But yes, that happens with alot of Chrome-based browsers that I use. Not sure about Firefox ones, I don't use two DEs at a time myself.
I have both installed and sometimes switch between them when a site doesn't conform to the W3C standards and hence doesn't display properly with Firefox, but in my view Chrome doesn't work properly with it cache compared to Firefox. I configure Firefox to wipe cookies and everything else at Firefox shutdown, but I can't get Chrome to do the same thing, it seems to only provide manual functionality.
In that case I'm not surprised you find that sites have "logged you out" when you switch browsers. Cookies are simply a kludge to give the appearance of being "logged in" and not have to repeat credentials with every interaction. If the cookies are gone, this is no longer possible and you have to go through the "login" dialogue again to get new ones.
None of this has anything to do with cacheing.
With that functionality active I haven't found any differences between running either under Gnome or KDE when I switch between the two, and I don't have the browser saving passwords, if I want to save a password I do that on an external electronic device so that they are available in all OS's I run.
I never use browser-based password managers, for the reasons you cite and also because they require a browser to access the passwords and sometimes I may not be using a GUI. I do use a cloud-based PM (Bitwarden) with browser extensions for convenience, but don't rely on the extensions because the app on my phone lets me access anything I need. Anyway, this is wandering off-topic.
I also use Thunderbird with with IMAP and SMTP (if needed) password stored internally, and I don't have any issue with those passwords being used for mail access under both KDE and Gnome when I switch between the two.
Again, passwords and cookies are different things.
poc
On Tue, 2025-03-18 at 16:40 -0400, Steve Cossette wrote:
I think the browser stores some kind of user secret in the keyring. And when you switch DE, that secret gets lost, wiping the cookies.
I'm 99% sure that isn't the case. I can use a browser and log into sites even when gnome-keyring isn't running.
poc
On 18 Mar 2025, at 22:03, Stephen Morris via kde kde@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
and as such I haven't seen any "live" implementation that provides KDE instead of Gnome
Fedora has been shipping kde plasma live images forever. You have to click into the spins and then find kde to get the iso.
What changes in f42 is that the kde will be on the front page of downloads and easier for new users to find the live iso.
Barry
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