8:35 a.m.
i look at fedora project mailing list and cannot figure it out which
of mailing list should i ask my question .
is there any man page for kernel in fedora ?? in debian
linux-manual-$version was package for kernel internal function man
pages.
i had it even on my arch linux . 3 , 4 i switched to fedora but i
cannot find any kernel man page . kernel-doc install all Document to
/usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-$version/Documentation/
but not man files. i saw in web , section 9 is not standard . i don't
know by which way is not standard.but in fedora after installing
kernel-doc , all man pages this is what i get :
if following content is hard to read in mail , read from here :
http://paste.fedoraproject.org/107413/40197526/
┌─[17:57:21]─[navid@devstation]
└──> ~ $ >> man -k printk
printk: nothing appropriate.
┌─[17:57:24]─[navid@devstation]
└──> ~ $ >> man -k kmalloc
kmalloc: nothing appropriate.
┌─[17:49:51]─[navid@devstation]
└──> ~ $ >> man printk
No manual entry for printk
┌─[17:49:55]─[navid@devstation]
└──> ~ $ >> man kmalloc
No manual entry for kmalloc
┌─[17:49:58]─[navid@devstation]
└──> ~ $ >> man 9 printk
No manual entry for printk in section 9
┌─[17:50:37]─[navid@devstation]
└──> ~ $ >> man 9 kmalloc
No manual entry for kmalloc in section 9
┌─[17:54:05]─[root@devstation]
└──> navid $ >> yum list installed | grep man
PackageKit-command-not-found.x86_64
csound-manual.noarch 5.19.01-1.fc20 @fedora
gnome-color-manager.x86_64 3.10.1-2.fc20 @updates
google-noto-sans-mandaic-fonts.noarch
libmodman.x86_64 2.0.1-7.fc20 @koji-override-0/$releasever
libsemanage.x86_64 2.1.10-14.fc20 @koji-override-0/$releasever
libsemanage-python.x86_64 2.1.10-14.fc20 @koji-override-0/$releasever
man-db.x86_64 2.6.5-2.fc20 @koji-override-0/$releasever
man-pages.noarch 3.53-2.fc20 @updates
pixman.i686 0.30.0-3.fc20 @fedora
pixman.x86_64 0.30.0-3.fc20 @koji-override-0/$releasever
┌─[17:54:31]─[root@devstation]
└──> navid $ >> yum list installed | grep kernel-doc
kernel-doc.noarch 3.14.4-200.fc20 @updates
┌─[✗]─[17:55:16]─[root@devstation]
└──> navid $ >> yum provides /usr/share/man/man9/\*
Loaded plugins: langpacks, refresh-packagekit
ax25-tools-docs-0.0.10-0.6.rc2.fc20.x86_64 : Documentation for ax25-tools and
: ax25-tools-x
Repo : fedora
Matched from:
Filename : /usr/share/man/man9/hdlcdrv.9.gz
Filename : /usr/share/man/man9/baycom.9.gz
Filename : /usr/share/man/man9/soundmodem.9.gz
they even banned me , because some guy doesn't want accept there is no
man 9 section , and funny thing is that guy don't wanna look at my
pasted answer .the guy which banned me gave me this command :
┌─[✗]─[18:00:46]─[root@devstation]
└──> samurai $ >> repoquery -q --whatprovides \*man\*/printk.\* --qf
'%{name}'
man-pages-fr
csound-manual
┌─[18:02:22]─[root@devstation]
└──> samurai $ >>
best wishes,
-navid
9:02 a.m.
On Thu, Jun 05, 2014 at 06:05:50PM +0430, navid Rahimi wrote:
i look at fedora project mailing list and cannot figure it out which
of mailing list should i ask my question .
This list is fine.
is there any man page for kernel in fedora ?? in debian
No. The kernel-doc package contained the html equivalent of the man
pages, but I don't believe we ever shipped the man9 pages themselves.
linux-manual-$version was package for kernel internal function man
pages.
i had it even on my arch linux . 3 , 4 i switched to fedora but i
cannot find any kernel man page . kernel-doc install all Document to
/usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-$version/Documentation/
but not man files. i saw in web , section 9 is not standard . i don't
know by which way is not standard.but in fedora after installing
kernel-doc , all man pages this is what i get :
FWIW, we don't ship kernel-doc in rawhide any longer as well.
josh
9:21 a.m.
i am very grateful for your answer Josh , very very grateful .
i know maybe this is not right place , but for installing kernel man
page's what should i do ? cloning kernel man page's repo and "make
install " can solve this ??
best wishes,
-navid
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 6:32 PM, Josh Boyer <jwboyer(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
On Thu, Jun 05, 2014 at 06:05:50PM +0430, navid Rahimi wrote:
> i look at fedora project mailing list and cannot figure it out which
> of mailing list should i ask my question .
This list is fine.
> is there any man page for kernel in fedora ?? in debian
No. The kernel-doc package contained the html equivalent of the man
pages, but I don't believe we ever shipped the man9 pages themselves.
> linux-manual-$version was package for kernel internal function man
> pages.
> i had it even on my arch linux . 3 , 4 i switched to fedora but i
> cannot find any kernel man page . kernel-doc install all Document to
> /usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-$version/Documentation/
> but not man files. i saw in web , section 9 is not standard . i don't
> know by which way is not standard.but in fedora after installing
> kernel-doc , all man pages this is what i get :
FWIW, we don't ship kernel-doc in rawhide any longer as well.
josh
9:26 a.m.
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 10:21 AM, navid Rahimi <rahimi.nv(a)gmail.com> wrote:
i am very grateful for your answer Josh , very very grateful .
i know maybe this is not right place , but for installing kernel man
page's what should i do ? cloning kernel man page's repo and "make
install " can solve this ??
AFAIK, the kernel man page sources are in the upstream kernel tree.
So you'd need to do something like this:
git clone git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git
cd linux
make mandocs
make installmandocs
and work through the build and install. You'd need to make sure you
have whatever software is required to build the man pages installed as
well.
josh
10:31 a.m.
On 06/05/2014 07:02 AM, Josh Boyer wrote:
On Thu, Jun 05, 2014 at 06:05:50PM +0430, navid Rahimi wrote:
> is there any man page for kernel in fedora ?? in debian
No. The kernel-doc package contained the html equivalent of the man
pages, but I don't believe we ever shipped the man9 pages themselves.
Actually F19 still has man9, and you're the one who dropped it in F20:
commit d3cca19fc2a55e3588284626e24e7f7e8c1effd1
Author: Josh Boyer <jwboyer(a)redhat.com>
Date: Tue Aug 6 16:52:31 2013 -0400
Don't package API man pages in -doc (rhbz 993905)
ref: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=993905
10:38 a.m.
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Josh Stone <jistone(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On 06/05/2014 07:02 AM, Josh Boyer wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 05, 2014 at 06:05:50PM +0430, navid Rahimi wrote:
>> is there any man page for kernel in fedora ?? in debian
>
> No. The kernel-doc package contained the html equivalent of the man
> pages, but I don't believe we ever shipped the man9 pages themselves.
Actually F19 still has man9, and you're the one who dropped it in F20:
commit d3cca19fc2a55e3588284626e24e7f7e8c1effd1
Author: Josh Boyer <jwboyer(a)redhat.com>
Date: Tue Aug 6 16:52:31 2013 -0400
Don't package API man pages in -doc (rhbz 993905)
ref: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=993905
Oh, indeed you are correct. Apparently I forgot that.
In any case, Fedora doesn't plan on shipping the kernel docs any longer.
josh
1:16 p.m.
Hi,
On 06/05/2014 05:38 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Josh Stone
<jistone(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> On 06/05/2014 07:02 AM, Josh Boyer wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 05, 2014 at 06:05:50PM +0430, navid Rahimi wrote:
>>> is there any man page for kernel in fedora ?? in debian
>>
>> No. The kernel-doc package contained the html equivalent of the man
>> pages, but I don't believe we ever shipped the man9 pages themselves.
>
> Actually F19 still has man9, and you're the one who dropped it in F20:
>
> commit d3cca19fc2a55e3588284626e24e7f7e8c1effd1
> Author: Josh Boyer <jwboyer(a)redhat.com>
> Date: Tue Aug 6 16:52:31 2013 -0400
>
> Don't package API man pages in -doc (rhbz 993905)
>
>
> ref: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=993905
Oh, indeed you are correct. Apparently I forgot that.
In any case, Fedora doesn't plan on shipping the kernel docs any longer.
May I ask why not? As a kernel developer I found them very useful. I'll gladly
admit that they should probably be in a separate sub-package, not -doc itself,
although if you're dropping that altogether then it does not matter.
Not having them at all is quite inconvenient, and I quite often find myself
missing them ... Maybe drop the html docs, and re-introduce the man pages?
Regards,
Hans
1:27 p.m.
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Hans de Goede <hdegoede(a)redhat.com> wrote:
Hi,
On 06/05/2014 05:38 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Josh Stone <jistone(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>> On 06/05/2014 07:02 AM, Josh Boyer wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jun 05, 2014 at 06:05:50PM +0430, navid Rahimi wrote:
>>>> is there any man page for kernel in fedora ?? in debian
>>>
>>> No. The kernel-doc package contained the html equivalent of the man
>>> pages, but I don't believe we ever shipped the man9 pages themselves.
>>
>> Actually F19 still has man9, and you're the one who dropped it in F20:
>>
>> commit d3cca19fc2a55e3588284626e24e7f7e8c1effd1
>> Author: Josh Boyer <jwboyer(a)redhat.com>
>> Date: Tue Aug 6 16:52:31 2013 -0400
>>
>> Don't package API man pages in -doc (rhbz 993905)
>>
>>
>> ref: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=993905
>
> Oh, indeed you are correct. Apparently I forgot that.
>
> In any case, Fedora doesn't plan on shipping the kernel docs any longer.
May I ask why not? As a kernel developer I found them very useful. I'll gladly
admit that they should probably be in a separate sub-package, not -doc itself,
although if you're dropping that altogether then it does not matter.
Not having them at all is quite inconvenient, and I quite often find myself
missing them ... Maybe drop the html docs, and re-introduce the man pages?
1) The Base OS group is pushing to reduce build requires for the Base
packages as much as possible. Just building the documentation that,
to be quite honest, very few people ever read required crazy things to
be dragged into the buildroot.
2) The way they were handled in the kernel.spec is terrible and
required a special koji hack that nothing else needs.
If someone wants to add a completely separate kernel-doc or
kernel-manpage package then I'm all for it. I'll even be happy to
review it. However, I'm not adding it back as a subpackage to
kernel.spec.
josh
1:28 p.m.
Hi,
On 06/05/2014 08:27 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Hans de Goede
<hdegoede(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 06/05/2014 05:38 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Josh Stone <jistone(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>>> On 06/05/2014 07:02 AM, Josh Boyer wrote:
>>>> On Thu, Jun 05, 2014 at 06:05:50PM +0430, navid Rahimi wrote:
>>>>> is there any man page for kernel in fedora ?? in debian
>>>>
>>>> No. The kernel-doc package contained the html equivalent of the man
>>>> pages, but I don't believe we ever shipped the man9 pages
themselves.
>>>
>>> Actually F19 still has man9, and you're the one who dropped it in F20:
>>>
>>> commit d3cca19fc2a55e3588284626e24e7f7e8c1effd1
>>> Author: Josh Boyer <jwboyer(a)redhat.com>
>>> Date: Tue Aug 6 16:52:31 2013 -0400
>>>
>>> Don't package API man pages in -doc (rhbz 993905)
>>>
>>>
>>> ref: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=993905
>>
>> Oh, indeed you are correct. Apparently I forgot that.
>>
>> In any case, Fedora doesn't plan on shipping the kernel docs any longer.
>
> May I ask why not? As a kernel developer I found them very useful. I'll gladly
> admit that they should probably be in a separate sub-package, not -doc itself,
> although if you're dropping that altogether then it does not matter.
>
> Not having them at all is quite inconvenient, and I quite often find myself
> missing them ... Maybe drop the html docs, and re-introduce the man pages?
1) The Base OS group is pushing to reduce build requires for the Base
packages as much as possible. Just building the documentation that,
to be quite honest, very few people ever read required crazy things to
be dragged into the buildroot.
2) The way they were handled in the kernel.spec is terrible and
required a special koji hack that nothing else needs.
If someone wants to add a completely separate kernel-doc or
kernel-manpage package then I'm all for it. I'll even be happy to
review it. However, I'm not adding it back as a subpackage to
kernel.spec.
Ok fair enough.
I'm afraid I don't have the time to create a kernel-manpages packages,
but since I'm interested in seeing one, I too am willing to review it :)
Regards,
Hans
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