Re: F10 on Lenovo T61 issue

[William Henry]

----- "Miguel Angel Perez" <mangelp(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: 
>  Hi, 
>  
>  
>  2009/2/27 William Henry < whenry(a)redhat.com
> >   
>  
Hi, 
>  
>  I've seen others have this problem and I've seen a BZ regarding it. Its the
> "mouse still moves but can't do anything with the keyboard or mouse input'
> problem. Requires a hardware reboot. 
>  
>  I've given up on Fedora for a while until I see this fixed. I don't have time for
> multiple reboots a day and the risk of losing data. 
>  
>  I've also seen issues with NetworkManager.  
>  Make sure there are bug reports filled. 
>   
WH: I've seen this bug already reported. 



>  
>  I'm sadly disappointed with F10.  
>  I'm sorry you are dissapointed with Fedora and sad because your
> propietary stuff doesn't work on it. Fedora as a distro doesn't have nothing to do
> with such complains as they happen due a lack of proper driver implementation as some
> companies still refuses to support linux or because a software component is not working
> properly. In both cases Fedora doesn't directly develop the drivers or the components
> that doesn't work and you should get your complain to the upstream projects so they
> can fix it sometime or fill a bug report to Fedora so they can report upstream and apply
> patches as the come in.  
WH: Huh? proprietary stuff?? No idea what you are talking about unless you mean the
hardware. 

>  
>  If you feel that other modern distros works better where Fedora fails you should check
> them but we all use the same linux kernel and same X.org so lack of hardware support is a
> common pain.  
WH: I'm running RHEL which is more stable. But I like to do other work on Fedora and
was hoping Fedora 10 was more stable. I realize there are a lot of different hardware
platforms out there and it is difficult to support. I'm a bit surpprised because there
are so many Lenova T6x around I thought that it would have been tested more and there more
stable. 

TBW this seemed to get worse the last few weeks so I wonder if some of my updates made the
issue much more frequent. 

Best, 
William 

>   

>   
> Regards, 
> William 
>   
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> Regards, 
> Miguel Ángel Pérez 
>   
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F10 on Lenovo T61 issue

[Miguel Ángel Pérez]

2009/3/1 William Henry <whenry(a)redhat.com&gt;

>  ----- "Miguel Angel Perez" <mangelp(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  > Hi,
>  >
>  >
>  > 2009/2/27 William Henry <whenry(a)redhat.com&gt;
>  >
> >
> > Hi,
> > >
> > > I've seen others have this problem and I've seen a BZ regarding it. Its
> > the "mouse still moves but can't do anything with the keyboard or mouse
> > input' problem. Requires a hardware reboot.
> > >
> > > I've given up on Fedora for a while until I see this fixed. I don't
> have
> > time for multiple reboots a day and the risk of losing data.
> > >
> > > I've also seen issues with NetworkManager.
>
>
>  > Make sure there are bug reports filled.
>  >
>
>  WH: I've seen this bug already reported.
>
> >
> > >
> > > I'm sadly disappointed with F10.
>
>
>  > I'm sorry you are dissapointed with Fedora and sad because your
>  propietary stuff doesn't work on it. Fedora as a distro doesn't have nothing
>  to do with such complains as they happen due a lack of proper driver
>  implementation as some companies still refuses to support linux or because a
>  software component is not working properly. In both cases Fedora doesn't
>  directly develop the drivers or the components that doesn't work and you
>  should get your complain to the upstream projects so they can fix it
>  sometime or fill a bug report to Fedora so they can report upstream and
>  apply patches as the come in.
>
>  WH: Huh? proprietary stuff?? No idea what you are talking about unless you
>  mean the hardware.
>  
Yes i was talking about the hardware. Having proper support for all brand
new hw is quite difficult if the hw vendor doesn't support linux.


>  >
>  > If you feel that other modern distros works better where Fedora fails you
>  should check them but we all use the same linux kernel and same X.org so
>  lack of hardware support is a common pain.
>
>  WH: I'm running RHEL which is more stable.  But I like to do other work on
>  Fedora and was hoping Fedora 10 was more stable. I realize there are a lot
>  of different hardware platforms out there and it is difficult to support.
>  I'm a bit surpprised because there are so many Lenova T6x around I thought
>  that it would have been tested more and there more stable.
>  
I don't know how many hardware platforms they have to test new releases but
i'm pretty sure that the real testing is done when a new release comes out
and we upgrade Fedora to the next version. A lot of things can happen then.


>  TBW this seemed to get worse the last few weeks so I wonder if some of my
>  updates made the issue much more frequent.
>  
They must be fighting the bugs :), but still is too soon to have them fixed.
I've run in a lot of problems with NetworkManager with F9 and F10 that only
got solved after the hw driver got properly fixed (intel wifi driver).


>  Best,
>  William
>
>  >
>
> >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > William
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > Fedora-laptop-list(a)redhat.com
> > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-laptop-list
> > >
>
>
>  >
>
>  > --
>  > Regards,
>  > Miguel Ángel Pérez
>  >
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>  


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F10 on Lenovo T61 issue

[William Henry]

Hi Miguel, 

Just thought I'd give you an update. I've been running Fedora 10 for several weeks
now with few problems. I think the biggest issue was the video card in the lenovo and I
will make sure that I look into video the next time I purchase a laptop. When I disable
compiz many of the issues go away. It would be nice to have some of the compiz features
but under the current hardware it seems T61/Fedora 10 with compiz is not an option. (I
just see memory creep and CPU utilization crawl upwards to where it's not usable and
then crashes.) 

But I'm now using F10 on my T61 in a fairly stable way for several weeks. 

If anyone can give me a recommendation for a good laptop spec. for my next purchase please
let me know. Thanks. 

Best, 
William 


----- "Miguel Angel Perez" <mangelp(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: 
>  
>  
>  
>  2009/3/1 William Henry < whenry(a)redhat.com > 
>   


>  
>  
>  ----- "Miguel Angel Perez" < mangelp(a)gmail.com > wrote: 
>  > Hi, 
>  > 
>  > 
>  
>  > 2009/2/27 William Henry < whenry(a)redhat.com > 
>  >  
Hi, 
>  > 
>  > I've seen others have this problem and I've seen a BZ regarding it. Its the
> "mouse still moves but can't do anything with the keyboard or mouse input'
> problem. Requires a hardware reboot. 
>  > 
>  > I've given up on Fedora for a while until I see this fixed. I don't have
> time for multiple reboots a day and the risk of losing data. 
>  > 
>  > I've also seen issues with NetworkManager.  
>  
>  > Make sure there are bug reports filled. 
>  > 
>  
>  WH: I've seen this bug already reported. 
>  
>   

>  > 
>  > I'm sadly disappointed with F10.  
>  
>  > I'm sorry you are dissapointed with Fedora and sad because your propietary stuff
> doesn't work on it. Fedora as a distro doesn't have nothing to do with such
> complains as they happen due a lack of proper driver implementation as some companies
> still refuses to support linux or because a software component is not working properly. In
> both cases Fedora doesn't directly develop the drivers or the components that
> doesn't work and you should get your complain to the upstream projects so they can fix
> it sometime or fill a bug report to Fedora so they can report upstream and apply patches
> as the come in. 
>  
>  WH: Huh? proprietary stuff?? No idea what you are talking about unless you mean the
> hardware.  
>  Yes i was talking about the hardware. Having proper support for all
> brand new hw is quite difficult if the hw vendor doesn't support linux. 
>   


>  
>   
>  
>   
> > 
> > If you feel that other modern distros works better where Fedora fails you should
check them but we all use the same linux kernel and same X.org so lack of hardware support
is a common pain. 
> 
> WH: I'm running RHEL which is more stable. But I like to do other work on Fedora
and was hoping Fedora 10 was more stable. I realize there are a lot of different hardware
platforms out there and it is difficult to support. I'm a bit surpprised because there
are so many Lenova T6x around I thought that it would have been tested more and there more
stable. 
> 

>  I don't know how many hardware platforms they have to test new
> releases but i'm pretty sure that the real testing is done when a new release comes
> out and we upgrade Fedora to the next version. A lot of things can happen then. 
>   


>  
>   
>  TBW this seemed to get worse the last few weeks so I wonder if some
> of my updates made the issue much more frequent. 
>   
>  They must be fighting the bugs :), but still is too soon to have them
> fixed. I've run in a lot of problems with NetworkManager with F9 and F10 that only got
> solved after the hw driver got properly fixed (intel wifi driver). 
>   


>  
>   
> Best, 
> William 
> 
>
>  
>   

>  > 
>  > Regards, 
>  > William 
>  > 
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>  > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-laptop-list 
>  > 
>  >  
>  > -- 
>  > Regards, 
>  > Miguel Ángel Pérez 
>  > 
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>   
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>  Regards, 
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>

F10 on Lenovo T61 issue

[Jos Vos]

On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 01:04:30PM -0400, William Henry wrote:

>  Just thought I'd give you an update. I've been running Fedora
> 10 for
>  several weeks now with few problems. I think the biggest issue was the
>  video card in the lenovo and I will make sure that I look into video
>  the next time I purchase a laptop. When I disable compiz many of the
>  issues go away. It would be nice to have some of the compiz features but
>  under the current hardware it seems T61/Fedora 10 with compiz is not an
>  option. (I just see memory creep and CPU utilization crawl upwards to
>  where it's not usable and then crashes.) 
Lenovo's T61 (I think the model is EOL) is there in many, many variants,
which makes it extremely difficult to talk in generic terms about a T61.
At least it's good to know video chipset, screen size, and the driver
used.

-- 
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F10 on Lenovo T61 issue

[Miguel Ángel Pérez]

Hi William,

Glad to know that things are finally working ^^, maybe when F11 gets out you
could try it and see if it gives you some better support for compiz than
F10. At least the kernel will be newer and then the hw support should be
better too.

When thinking to purchase a new laptop a good place to start is :
http://tuxmobil.org/mylaptops.html

Then select the brand you will trust your money to and look at the latest
supported models. Once you have selected a laptop take some days to google
around looking for incompatibilities with linux or for unhappy owners of
that model. You can also post the details here, with some look you will find
someone that knows something about it :)

2009/6/4 William Henry <whenry(a)redhat.com&gt;

>  Hi Miguel,
>
>  Just thought I'd give you an update. I've been running Fedora 10 for
>  several weeks now with few problems.  I think the biggest issue was the
>  video card in the lenovo and I will make sure that I look into video the
>  next time I purchase a laptop. When I disable compiz many of the issues go
>  away. It would be nice to have some of the compiz features but under the
>  current hardware it seems T61/Fedora 10 with compiz is not an option.  (I
>  just see memory creep and CPU utilization crawl upwards to where it's not
>  usable and then crashes.)
>
>  But I'm now using F10 on my T61 in a fairly stable way for several weeks.
>
>  If anyone can give me a recommendation for a good laptop spec. for my next
>  purchase please let me know. Thanks.
>
>  Best,
>  William
>
>
>
>  ----- "Miguel Angel Perez" <mangelp(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  >
>  >
>  > > 2009/3/1 William Henry <whenry(a)redhat.com&gt;
>  >
> >
> > > >
> > > ----- "Miguel Angel Perez" <mangelp(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > 2009/2/27 William Henry <whenry(a)redhat.com&gt;
> > > >
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >> > >
> >> > > I've seen others have this problem and I've seen a BZ regarding
> it.
> >> Its the "mouse still moves but can't do anything with the keyboard or
> mouse
> >> input' problem. Requires a hardware reboot.
> >> > >
> >> > > I've given up on Fedora for a while until I see this fixed. I
> don't
> >> have time for multiple reboots a day and the risk of losing data.
> >> > >
> >> > > I've also seen issues with NetworkManager.
> >
> > >
> > > > Make sure there are bug reports filled.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > WH: I've seen this bug already reported.
> > >
> > >
> >>
> >>
> >> > >
> >> > > I'm sadly disappointed with F10.
> >
> > >
> > > > I'm sorry you are dissapointed with Fedora and sad because your
> > propietary stuff doesn't work on it. Fedora as a distro doesn't have nothing
> > to do with such complains as they happen due a lack of proper driver
> > implementation as some companies still refuses to support linux or because a
> > software component is not working properly. In both cases Fedora doesn't
> > directly develop the drivers or the components that doesn't work and you
> > should get your complain to the upstream projects so they can fix it
> > sometime or fill a bug report to Fedora so they can report upstream and
> > apply patches as the come in.
> > >
> > >
> > WH: Huh? proprietary stuff?? No idea what you are talking about unless you
> > mean the hardware.
> >
>
>  > Yes i was talking about the hardware. Having proper support for all brand
>  new hw is quite difficult if the hw vendor doesn't support linux.
>  >
>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If you feel that other modern distros works better where Fedora fails
> > you should check them but we all use the same linux kernel and same X.org so
> > lack of hardware support is a common pain.
> > >
> > >
> > WH: I'm running RHEL which is more stable.  But I like to do other work on
> > Fedora and was hoping Fedora 10 was more stable. I realize there are a lot
> > of different hardware platforms out there and it is difficult to support.
> > I'm a bit surpprised because there are so many Lenova T6x around I thought
> > that it would have been tested more and there more stable.
> > >
> >
>
>  > I don't know how many hardware platforms they have to test new releases
>  but i'm pretty sure that the real testing is done when a new release comes
>  out and we upgrade Fedora to the next version. A lot of things can happen
>  then.
>  >
>
> > > >
> > > TBW this seemed to get worse the last few weeks so I wonder if some of
> > my updates made the issue much more frequent.
> > >
> >
>
>  > They must be fighting the bugs :), but still is too soon to have them
>  fixed. I've run in a lot of problems with NetworkManager with F9 and F10
>  that only got solved after the hw driver got properly fixed (intel wifi
>  driver).
>  >
>
> > > >
> > > Best,
> > > William
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> >>
> >>
> >> > >
> >> > > Regards,
> >> > > William
> >> > >
> >> > > _______________________________________________
> >> > > Fedora-laptop-list mailing list
> >> > > Fedora-laptop-list(a)redhat.com
> >> > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-laptop-list
> >> > >
> >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > --
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Miguel Ángel Pérez
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________ Fedora-laptop-list
> > mailing list Fedora-laptop-list(a)redhat.com
> > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-laptop-list
> >
>
>  >
>
>  > --
>  > Regards,
>  > Miguel Ángel Pérez
>  >
>  


-- 
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F10 on Lenovo T61 issue

[Chris Schumann]

The T61 had an nVidia (or Intel) video chip. The T60 (that I have) and
the newer T400's and T500's AFAIK use ATI.

I've been using F10 on my T60 for months with the open source radeon
driver, and compiz works great. 3d? Not so much. I'm looking forward
to see what happens with the Radeon driver and F11 in general.

(I've been testing F11 on my 600X, but not the T60 which I use for work daily.)

Chris


On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:04 PM, William Henry <whenry(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  ...
>  If anyone can give me a recommendation for a good laptop spec. for my next
>  purchase please let me know. Thanks.
>
>  Best,
>  William

F10 on Lenovo T61 issue

[Ray Ward]

You seem to be little short on recommendations  since you posted however
individual recommendations are difficult to make.
A sort of works list might  be better.
Generally  Toshiba is a good start.
I have tried Linux Toshiba's and they generally work out of the box.
Fujitsu works as well and they host a user group that answers questions
on Linux.  I my self have a li2727 that works well the only problem I
had was turning  on the wifi adapter.

The general rule is the closer you get to the bleeding  edge the less
likely it is to work with Linux. The upside the dusty today's  special
might easily out perform the bosses super duper Vista machine (know this
to be true my boss has fat Fujitsu and it's goes like a gazelle on
Diazepam) 

Good luck with your search 
Any further questions you know where to ask.

Regards
Ray

On Thu, 2009-06-04 at 19:32 +0200, Miguel Angel Perez wrote:

>  Hi William,
>  
>  Glad to know that things are finally working ^^, maybe when F11 gets
>  out you could try it and see if it gives you some better support for
>  compiz than F10. At least the kernel will be newer and then the hw
>  support should be better too.
>  
>  When thinking to purchase a new laptop a good place to start is :
>  http://tuxmobil.org/mylaptops.html
>  
>  Then select the brand you will trust your money to and look at the
>  latest supported models. Once you have selected a laptop take some
>  days to google around looking for incompatibilities with linux or for
>  unhappy owners of that model. You can also post the details here, with
>  some look you will find someone that knows something about it :)
>  
>  
>  2009/6/4 William Henry <whenry(a)redhat.com&gt;
>  
>          Hi Miguel,
>          
>          Just thought I'd give you an update. I've been running Fedora
>          10 for several weeks now with few problems.  I think the
>          biggest issue was the video card in the lenovo and I will make
>          sure that I look into video the next time I purchase a laptop.
>          When I disable compiz many of the issues go away. It would be
>          nice to have some of the compiz features but under the current
>          hardware it seems T61/Fedora 10 with compiz is not an option.
>          (I just see memory creep and CPU utilization crawl upwards to
>          where it's not usable and then crashes.)
>          
>          But I'm now using F10 on my T61 in a fairly stable way for
>          several weeks. 
>          
>          If anyone can give me a recommendation for a good laptop spec.
>          for my next purchase please let me know. Thanks.
>          
>          Best,
>          William
>          
>          
>          
>          
>          
>          ----- "Miguel Angel Perez" <mangelp(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: 
>          > 
>          > 
>          > 
>          
>          > 2009/3/1 William Henry <whenry(a)redhat.com&gt;
>          > 
>          
>                  > 
>                  
>                  > 
>                  > ----- "Miguel Angel Perez" <mangelp(a)gmail.com&gt;
>                  wrote: 
>                  > > Hi,
>                  > > 
>                  > > 
>                  > 
>                  
>                  > > 2009/2/27 William Henry <whenry(a)redhat.com&gt;
>                  > > 
>                  
>                          Hi,
>                          > > 
>                          > > I've seen others have this problem and
>                          I've seen a BZ regarding it. Its the "mouse
>                          still moves but can't do anything with the
>                          keyboard or mouse input' problem. Requires a
>                          hardware reboot.
>                          > > 
>                          > > I've given up on Fedora for a while until
>                          I see this fixed. I don't have time for
>                          multiple reboots a day and the risk of losing
>                          data.
>                          > > 
>                          > > I've also seen issues with
>                          NetworkManager. 
>                  > 
>                  > > Make sure there are bug reports filled.
>                  > >  
>                  > 
>                  > 
>                  
>                  WH: I've seen this bug already reported.
>                  > 
>                  > 
>                  
>                          
>                          > > 
>                          > > I'm sadly disappointed with F10.
>                  > 
>                  > > I'm sorry you are dissapointed with Fedora and sad
>                  because your propietary stuff doesn't work on it.
>                  Fedora as a distro doesn't have nothing to do with
>                  such complains as they happen due a lack of proper
>                  driver implementation as some companies still refuses
>                  to support linux or because a software component is
>                  not working properly. In both cases Fedora doesn't
>                  directly develop the drivers or the components that
>                  doesn't work and you should get your complain to the
>                  upstream projects so they can fix it sometime or fill
>                  a bug report to Fedora so they can report upstream and
>                  apply patches as the come in.
>                  > 
>                  > 
>                  
>                  WH: Huh? proprietary stuff?? No idea what you are
>                  talking about unless you mean the hardware. 
>          
>          > Yes i was talking about the hardware. Having proper support
>          for all brand new hw is quite difficult if the hw vendor
>          doesn't support linux.
>          >  
>                  > 
>                  
>                  > 
>                  
>                  
>                  > 
>                  
>                  > 
>                  > > 
>                  > > If you feel that other modern distros works better
>                  where Fedora fails you should check them but we all
>                  use the same linux kernel and same X.org so lack of
>                  hardware support is a common pain.
>                  > 
>                  > 
>                  
>                  WH: I'm running RHEL which is more stable.  But I like
>                  to do other work on Fedora and was hoping Fedora 10
>                  was more stable. I realize there are a lot of
>                  different hardware platforms out there and it is
>                  difficult to support. I'm a bit surpprised because
>                  there are so many Lenova T6x around I thought that it
>                  would have been tested more and there more stable.  
>                  > 
>          
>          > I don't know how many hardware platforms they have to test
>          new releases but i'm pretty sure that the real testing is done
>          when a new release comes out and we upgrade Fedora to the next
>          version. A lot of things can happen then.
>          >  
>                  > 
>                  
>                  > 
>                  
>                  
>                  > TBW this seemed to get worse the last few weeks so I
>                  wonder if some of my updates made the issue much more
>                  frequent.
>                  > 
>          
>          > They must be fighting the bugs :), but still is too soon to
>          have them fixed. I've run in a lot of problems with
>          NetworkManager with F9 and F10 that only got solved after the
>          hw driver got properly fixed (intel wifi driver).
>          >  
>                  > 
>                  
>                  > 
>                  
>                  
>                  > Best,
>                  > William
>                  > 
>                  > >  
>                  > 
>                  
>                          
>                          > > 
>                          > > Regards,
>                          > > William
>                          > > 
>                          > >
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>                          > > 
>                  
>                  
>                  > > 
>                  
>                  > > -- 
>                  > > Regards,
>                  > > Miguel Ángel Pérez
>                  > > 
>                  > > _______________________________________________
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>          
>          
>          > 
>          
>          > -- 
>          > Regards,
>          > Miguel Ángel Pérez
>          > 
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  -- 
>  Best Regards,
>  Miguel Ángel Pérez
>  
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