installation problem

[george gardner]

I just installed Fedora on my laptop. I am able to connect to the internet in live system
user. When I try to install onto my hard drive it goes to a screen with a background on it
with the date and time and a flashing upward arrow. I get no response from my touch pad no
mater where i place the cursor. What am I doing wrong??

 
George Gardner
 

george104us(a)yahoo.com

[Matthew Miller]

On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 07:19:16PM -0700, george gardner wrote:
>  I just installed Fedora on my laptop. I am able to connect to the
> internet
>  in live system user. When I try to install onto my hard drive it goes to a
>  screen with a background on it with the date and time and a flashing
>  upward arrow. I get no response from my touch pad no mater where i place
>  the cursor. What am I doing wrong?? 
This is the Gnome 3 "shield". Hit ESC twice, or _drag_ the mouse upward.

You're not the first person to be confused by this -- hopefully this can get
somewhat better in a future version.

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Matthew Miller           mattdm(a)mattdm.org          <http://mattdm.org/>

[Billy Crook]

Those instructions should probably be displayed on the sheild itself.
What is the purpose of the sheild btw?  In ten minutes of googling, I
couldn't find it out and am left guessing that gnome wants to be
touchscreen-friendly, but doesn't know how to detect if a screen is
actually touch enabled or nor.

On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 11:01 PM, Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 07:19:16PM -0700, george gardner wrote:
> > I just installed Fedora on my laptop. I am able to connect to the internet
> > in live system user. When I try to install onto my hard drive it goes to a
> > screen with a background on it with the date and time and a flashing
> > upward arrow. I get no response from my touch pad no mater where i place
> > the cursor. What am I doing wrong??
>
>  This is the Gnome 3 "shield". Hit ESC twice, or _drag_ the mouse upward.
>
>  You're not the first person to be confused by this -- hopefully this can get
>  somewhat better in a future version.
>
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[Chris Bredesen]

On 09/01/2013 12:01 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
>  On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 07:19:16PM -0700, george gardner wrote:
> > I just installed Fedora on my laptop. I am able to connect to the internet
> > in live system user. When I try to install onto my hard drive it goes to a
> > screen with a background on it with the date and time and a flashing
> > upward arrow. I get no response from my touch pad no mater where i place
> > the cursor. What am I doing wrong??
>
>  This is the Gnome 3 "shield". Hit ESC twice, or _drag_ the mouse upward.
>
>  You're not the first person to be confused by this -- hopefully this can get
>  somewhat better in a future version. 
[Enter] works as well. Agreed, it should be clearer on the shield what 
the user needs to do to proceed.

-cB

[Matthew Miller]

On Tue, Sep 03, 2013 at 12:01:49PM -0400, Chris Bredesen wrote:
>  >This is the Gnome 3 "shield". Hit ESC twice, or _drag_
> the mouse upward.
>  >You're not the first person to be confused by this -- hopefully this can get
>  >somewhat better in a future version.
>  [Enter] works as well. Agreed, it should be clearer on the shield
>  what the user needs to do to proceed. 
It would also be nice for it to respond to modifier keys (shift, ctrl, alt),
as many people are conditioned to use these as the "safe" way to cleara
screensaver.

And, really, I'd very much like the option to opt-out. (There's an
extension, but it doesn't work very well.)

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Matthew Miller  ☁☁☁  Fedora Cloud Architect  ☁☁☁  <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;

[Billy Crook]

On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  On Tue, Sep 03, 2013 at 12:01:49PM -0400, Chris Bredesen wrote:
> > >This is the Gnome 3 "shield". Hit ESC twice, or _drag_ the mouse
> upward.
> > >You're not the first person to be confused by this -- hopefully this can get
> > >somewhat better in a future version.
> > [Enter] works as well. Agreed, it should be clearer on the shield
> > what the user needs to do to proceed.
>
>  It would also be nice for it to respond to modifier keys (shift, ctrl, alt),
>  as many people are conditioned to use these as the "safe" way to cleara
>  screensaver. 
Is the 'Secure attention sequence" useful on Linux in general?
Supporting what people are used to is valuable in its own right, but
is there any security advantage to users using a special sequence to
commence unlocking in GNU+Linux?

I'd personally not want to use it because I've seen too many GNU+Linux
systems get rebooted by a C+A+D that was intended as a SAS.

>  And, really, I'd very much like the option to opt-out.
> (There's an
>  extension, but it doesn't work very well.) 
On my Fedora 19 system, I can just ignore the shield and begin typing
my pass-phrase and it gets out of the way and I can log in like
normal.  So I'm not particularly against the shield.

I'm still quite curious why the shield was created.  i.e. If one was a
good idea, why aren't there seventeen?  I'd personally like seeing the
shield stay down while locked, so that the length of my pass-phrase is
never visible.

[Matthew Miller]

On Tue, Sep 03, 2013 at 01:01:32PM -0500, Billy Crook wrote:
>  Is the 'Secure attention sequence" useful on Linux in
> general?
>  Supporting what people are used to is valuable in its own right, but
>  is there any security advantage to users using a special sequence to
>  commence unlocking in GNU+Linux?
>  I'd personally not want to use it because I've seen too many GNU+Linux
>  systems get rebooted by a C+A+D that was intended as a SAS. 
Sorry, I wasn't talking about a secure key (we don't have one) but rather
pressing a key which doesn't actually _do_ anything in order to clear the
screen. In olden times, sometimes when you pressed "enter" to clear a
screensaver, you'd accidentally also say Okay to some dialog box underneath.
The shield doesn't do that, but there's still a risk of it happening if the
system is busy and slow to respond and you hit an "active" key several times
in a row.


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