Re: [Fedora-legal-list] CAcert.org license
by Tom Callaway
On Tue, 2008-12-09 at 23:03 +0100, Matthias Saou wrote:
> > >>>>> "TC" == Tom \"spot\" Callaway <Tom> writes:
> >
> > TC> Given that it does not give permission for us to redistribute (the
> > TC> cornerstone requirement for Content licenses), this license is not
> > TC> acceptable for Fedora.
> >
> > I guess I'm glad I looked before approving the package, but I have to
> > wonder: Do the cacert folks actually want anyone to use their
> > certificates? I mean, this prevents basically everyone from using
> > them, because they can't come with the OS or the browser.
>
> Personally, the more I read the document, the more I'm confused.
>
> "You may NOT distribute certificates or root keys under this
> licence"... does this mean we can distribute under a different license?
Well, sortof. The wording here is strange because you can get a
different license from the CA issuer. We can't just pick a license, but
the CA issuer might be willing to give us a different one.
> Would it be worth getting in contact with CAcert.org in order to try
> and have them allow us to redistribute the root certs under conditions
> which are acceptable to the Fedora Project?
Probably, yes. :)
~spot
7 years, 9 months
License of 2xSai family of image scaling algorithms (was: 2xSai has an unclear license ...)
by Jason A. Spiro
Thanks for clearing that up: it will prevent Fedora and Debian from
having to spend time manually patching ScummVM and other software to
remove 2xSai from them. These distros are very strict and insist that
all parts of all software they ship be open-source.
I did more research and I see that Super 2xSai and Super Eagle are
also written by you. I either didn't know this fact, or forgot it
when I emailed you. Do you also hereby release all versions of them,
old and new, and any other scaling algorithms you've written (if any
others exist) under the GNU General Public License, version 2 or (at
the users' option) any later version?
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Derek Liauw <derekl666(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> To whomever it may concern,
>
> Given the confusion (see mail history) on some license issue I wrote some time ago.
>
> I hereby release all versions of 2xSai, old and new, under the GNU General Public License, version 2 or (at your option) any later version.
>
> I did in fact give the ZSNES and probably some other projects permission a long time ago (don't remember exactly when, but probably when it was either first featured or it went from closed source -> GPL), but I guess it wasn't documented as such in the history.
>
> For future reference you probably can ping me.
>
> [d][e][r][e][k][.][l][i][a][u][w][(a)][g][m][a][i][l][.][c][o][m]
>
> Remove brackets...
>
> --- On Tue, 10/13/09, Jason A. Spiro <jasonspiro4(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Jason A. Spiro <jasonspiro4(a)gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: 2xSai has an unclear license and may be removed from a number of programs in Fedora Linux
>> To: "Derek Liauw" <derekl666(a)yahoo.com>, "Derek Liauw Kie Fa" <derek-liauw(a)usa.net>, "Robert J. Ohannessian" <voidstar(a)ifrance.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 4:00 AM
>> Thanks for your reply Derek.
>>
>> 1.
>>
>> What's your new email address?
>>
> I don't check this e-mail often but it's still "in use". Now if yahoo had a forward feature I would use it, but alas...
>
>> 2.
>>
>> It would be very helpful if I could write to that email
>> address and CC
>> a public mailing list. This might cause you to get
>> more email about
>> 2xSaI. [ You don't have to reply to all the emails;
>> if need be, you
>> can just reply with the three words "Sorry, I'm busy". :)
>> ] May I
>> please do that CC'ing, even though your new email address
>> will then
>> become public?
>>
>> 3.
>>
>> Can I forward emails we have sent to each other to public
>> mailing
>> lists or forums?
>>
>> 4.
>>
>> I looked for a public Snes9x source repository but its repo
>> is
>> actually nonpublic, and Snes9x is under a "non-commercial
>> use only"
>> freeware license.[1] In zsnes's public repo 2xsai.cpp
>> is there[2] in
>> the "deleted files" section of /src/video, but there's no
>> comment,
>> even in the revision log[3], that you gave this
>> permission. So I fear
>> that people will incorrectly think ZSNES relicensed your
>> code without
>> your permission. Plus, there are multiple versions of
>> 2xSaI floating
>> around.
>>
>> Considering both these points, I think the best thing to do
>> is to
>> reply to this message with a permission notice.
>> Please CC it to a
>> public mailing list like fedora-legal-list(a)redhat.com
>> or
>> debian-legal(a)lists.debian.org.
>> Either one is fine, but pick only one.
>> Pick according to your distro preference, or pick
>> fedora-legal-list
>> if you don't care. Write the words "I hereby release
>> all versions of
>> 2xSai, old and new, under the GNU General Public License,
>> version 2 or
>> (at your option) any later version".
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> -Jason
>>
>> ^ [1]. http://www.snes9x.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=4334
>> ^ [2]. http://zsnes.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/zsnes/zsnes/src/video/?hideattic=0
>> ^ [3]. http://zsnes.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/zsnes/zsnes/src/video/2xsai.cpp?h...
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Derek Liauw <derekl666(a)yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Wow,
>> >
>> > It's been at least 11 years since I wrote the code and
>> at least 7 years since
>> > I checked this e-mail lol... So just saw this
>> (somewhat old) by chance. So
>> > hope this still helps.
>> >
>> > To be honest I don't care what happens to the code
>> anymore?
>> >
>> > Whatever .zip file is around is probably from my old
>> xoom/usa.net website.
>> >
>> > If I remember correctly I agreed that newer versions
>> of the code could be
>> > released under GPL with ZSNES a long time ago (which I
>> integrated and agreed
>> > with the original author "_zsKnight").
>> >
>> > And yes I probably neglected to update all
>> pre-existing files/my abandoned
>> > website and such.
>> >
>> > My bad, but 1. I don't think my website exists
>> anymore. 2. If it does exist
>> > I probably don't know how to update it and the .zip
>> distro. 3. I haven't
>> > felt like making a new website for quite a while :P 4.
>> I consider ZSNES or
>> > the Snes9x projects as the new "source" of the
>> file(s), since those are newer
>> > versions / I more or less integrated them there, and I
>> assume the files
>> > source files already have a GPL license. (my memory
>> isn't that great).
>> >
>> > Hope that helps.
>> >
>> > --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Jason A. Spiro <jasonspiro4(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> From: Jason A. Spiro <jasonspiro4(a)gmail.com>
>> >> Subject: 2xSaI has an unclear license and may be
>> removed from a number of programs in Fedora Linux
>> >> To: "Derek Liauw Kie Fa" <derek-liauw(a)usa.net>,
>> "Derek Liauw Kie Fa" <derekl666(a)yahoo.com>,
>> "Robert J. Ohannessian" <voidstar(a)ifrance.com>
>> >> Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 11:06 PM
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> Derek's website[1] has a downloadable copy of
>> 2xSaI
>> >> available for
>> >> download. The text of the website says "GPL",
>> but the
>> >> readme file
>> >> says something contradictory:
>> >>
>> >> 2xSaI Utility v0.7 Copyright (c)
>> >> Derek Liauw Kie Fa, 1999
>> >> Comments, Suggestions, Questions, Bugs etc.: derek-liauw(a)usa.net
>> >> http://members.xoom.com/derek_liauw/
>> >> This program is free for non-commercial use.
>> >>
>> >> Is the program GPLed (which means it is free to
>> sell,
>> >> modify, and
>> >> more), or is it merely free for non-commercial
>> use?
>> >> If it is GPLed,
>> >> then Derek, could you please update the zipfile to
>> say so,
>> >> and email
>> >> me the updated file?
>> >>
>> >> If you do not answer, then Fedora Linux may have
>> to rip out
>> >> 2xSaI from
>> >> many programs included on the Fedora DVD. This
>> will
>> >> be a lot of work,
>> >> and will make those programs worse. :) This
>> is
>> >> because Fedora does
>> >> not allow software which is only free for
>> non-commercial
>> >> use on their
>> >> DVD. They require that the DVD be allowed to be
>> >> sold.
>> >>
>> >> Note that I don't represent or volunteer for
>> Fedora.
>> >> I am just
>> >> telling you their policies.
>> >>
>> >> Kind regards,
>> >> -Jason Spiro
>> >>
>> >> ^ [1]. http://web.archive.org/elektron.its.tudelft.nl/~dalikifa/
>>
>
>
>
>
--
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I support Linux, UNIX, Windows, and more. Contact me to discuss your needs.
+1 (416) 992-3445 / www.jspiro.com
14 years, 1 month
PBKDF2 License Check
by Devan Goodwin
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I think this is ok but just wanted to verify, does the license for
PBKDF2 sound ok for inclusion in Fedora?
http://www.dlitz.net/software/python-pbkdf2/
###########################################################################
# PBKDF2.py - PKCS#5 v2.0 Password-Based Key Derivation
#
# Copyright (C) 2007, 2008 Dwayne C. Litzenberger <dlitz(a)dlitz.net>
# All rights reserved.
#
# Permission to use, copy, modify, and distribute this software and its
# documentation for any purpose and without fee is hereby granted,
# provided that the above copyright notice appear in all copies and that
# both that copyright notice and this permission notice appear in
# supporting documentation.
#
# THE AUTHOR PROVIDES THIS SOFTWARE ``AS IS'' AND ANY EXPRESSED OR
# IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED
WARRANTIES # OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE
ARE DISCLAIMED. # IN NO EVENT SHALL THE AUTHOR BE LIABLE FOR ANY
DIRECT, INDIRECT, # INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL
DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT # NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE
GOODS OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, # DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS
INTERRUPTION) HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY # THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER
IN CONTRACT, STRICT LIABILITY, OR TORT # (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR
OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY OUT OF THE USE # OF THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN
IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE. #
# Country of origin: Canada
#
###########################################################################
Thanks,
Devan
- --
Devan Goodwin <dgoodwin(a)redhat.com>
Software Engineer
Halifax, Canada 650.567.9039x79267
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14 years, 1 month
Re: New blog post
by Pam Chestek
Colby Hoke wrote on 10/08/2009 10:28 AM:
> Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>> On 10/08/2009 12:40 AM, Colby Hoke wrote:.
>>
>>> For example, there was a remix of the Truth Happens video that was put
>>> in with some very questionable material. It was offensive. Due to the
>>> copyright (back then we used copyright), we were able to go after that
>>> video and, I assume, have it taken it down.
>>>
>>
>> If you allow people to create remixes, they will create some bad remixes
>> but so what?
> I agree.
>> I know of exactly one example of such a thing tnat that is
>> one you are citing here, in how many years of Red Hat putting out videos
>> like this?
> Absolutely.
>> The example also shows that people who actually go about
>> creating such bad remixes don't have a damn about copyright or
>> licensing.
> Yep.
>> They just will do it and I am pretty sure I can find a copy
>> of that video regardless of what Red Hat does at this point.
>>
>>
> I've no doubt you can.
>> Look at this this way: Red Hat releases tens of thousands of lines of
>> code and content (such as documentation or even fonts) under various
>> free and open source licenses. It is possible and even likely that
>> someone will add a bad patch to what Red Hat has released or even fork
>> it on occasions. It doesn't negate the benefits at all.
>>
>> Rahul
>>
> Well this can go on all day long. You're preaching to the choir.
>
> As I've said, time and time again, I agree. I absolutely agree. I've
> been talking to our legal department and we'll have something figured
> out very soon regarding this. All I'm trying to say is: this is how it
> is right now. We've made good progress and I'm just trying to explain
> why it's this way. I'm not trying to defend it or attack it.
>
> That said, I hope we can figure out a way to do this!
>
Okay, we heard (thanks Rahul and Colby). Going forward, Red Hat videos
will provide contact information for permissions, so people who want to
use our videos in ways other than what the current CC licensing allows
will know who to ask. For now, if you're interested in doing
translations of Paul's stunning Stanislavskian performance illustrating
the development path of software (or using it in some other way - the
devil is whispering on my shoulder), write to messer(a)redhat.com.
Pam Chestek
Sr. IP Attorney
x44473
"They sure keep me on my toes."
14 years, 1 month
4-clause BSD issue
by Ziyad Saeed
There is a question by one of the opensource developers of NanoTCAD whether
his code which is a 4-clause BSD is allowed to be packaged in Fedora
Electronics Lab or not.
I will contact Fedora-Legal and sort out this issue.
The license is as follows
LICENSE
Copyright (c) 2004-2008, G. Fiori, G. Iannaccone, University of Pisa. All
rights reserved.
Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without
modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions are met:
- Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright notice,
this list of conditions and the following disclaimer. - Redistributions in
binary form must reproduce the above copyright notice, this list of
conditions and the following disclaimer in the documentation and/or other
materials provided with the distribution. - All advertising materials
mentioning features or use of this software must display the following
acknowledgement: This product includes software developed by G.Fiori and
G.Iannaccone at University of Pisa. - Neither the name of the University of
Pisa nor the names of its contributors may be used to endorse or promote
products derived from this software without specific prior written
permission.
THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY G.FIORI AND G.IANNACCONE *AS IS* AND ANY
EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED
WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE ARE
DISCLAIMED. IN NO EVENT SHALL G.FIORI, AND G.IANNACCONE BE LIABLE FOR ANY
DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES
(INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS OR SERVICES;
LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION) HOWEVER CAUSED AND
ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, STRICT LIABILITY, OR TORT
(INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY OUT OF THE USE OF
THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE.
14 years, 1 month
Re: 2xSai has an unclear license and may be removed from a number of programs in Fedora Linux
by Derek Liauw
To whomever it may concern,
Given the confusion (see mail history) on some license issue I wrote some time ago.
I hereby release all versions of 2xSai, old and new, under the GNU General Public License, version 2 or (at your option) any later version.
I did in fact give the ZSNES and probably some other projects permission a long time ago (don't remember exactly when, but probably when it was either first featured or it went from closed source -> GPL), but I guess it wasn't documented as such in the history.
For future reference you probably can ping me.
[d][e][r][e][k][.][l][i][a][u][w][(a)][g][m][a][i][l][.][c][o][m]
Remove brackets...
--- On Tue, 10/13/09, Jason A. Spiro <jasonspiro4(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Jason A. Spiro <jasonspiro4(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: 2xSai has an unclear license and may be removed from a number of programs in Fedora Linux
> To: "Derek Liauw" <derekl666(a)yahoo.com>, "Derek Liauw Kie Fa" <derek-liauw(a)usa.net>, "Robert J. Ohannessian" <voidstar(a)ifrance.com>
> Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 4:00 AM
> Thanks for your reply Derek.
>
> 1.
>
> What's your new email address?
>
I don't check this e-mail often but it's still "in use". Now if yahoo had a forward feature I would use it, but alas...
> 2.
>
> It would be very helpful if I could write to that email
> address and CC
> a public mailing list. This might cause you to get
> more email about
> 2xSaI. [ You don't have to reply to all the emails;
> if need be, you
> can just reply with the three words "Sorry, I'm busy". :)
> ] May I
> please do that CC'ing, even though your new email address
> will then
> become public?
>
> 3.
>
> Can I forward emails we have sent to each other to public
> mailing
> lists or forums?
>
> 4.
>
> I looked for a public Snes9x source repository but its repo
> is
> actually nonpublic, and Snes9x is under a "non-commercial
> use only"
> freeware license.[1] In zsnes's public repo 2xsai.cpp
> is there[2] in
> the "deleted files" section of /src/video, but there's no
> comment,
> even in the revision log[3], that you gave this
> permission. So I fear
> that people will incorrectly think ZSNES relicensed your
> code without
> your permission. Plus, there are multiple versions of
> 2xSaI floating
> around.
>
> Considering both these points, I think the best thing to do
> is to
> reply to this message with a permission notice.
> Please CC it to a
> public mailing list like fedora-legal-list(a)redhat.com
> or
> debian-legal(a)lists.debian.org.
> Either one is fine, but pick only one.
> Pick according to your distro preference, or pick
> fedora-legal-list
> if you don't care. Write the words "I hereby release
> all versions of
> 2xSai, old and new, under the GNU General Public License,
> version 2 or
> (at your option) any later version".
>
> Kind regards,
> -Jason
>
> ^ [1]. http://www.snes9x.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=4334
> ^ [2]. http://zsnes.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/zsnes/zsnes/src/video/?hideattic=0
> ^ [3]. http://zsnes.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/zsnes/zsnes/src/video/2xsai.cpp?h...
>
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Derek Liauw <derekl666(a)yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > Wow,
> >
> > It's been at least 11 years since I wrote the code and
> at least 7 years since
> > I checked this e-mail lol... So just saw this
> (somewhat old) by chance. So
> > hope this still helps.
> >
> > To be honest I don't care what happens to the code
> anymore?
> >
> > Whatever .zip file is around is probably from my old
> xoom/usa.net website.
> >
> > If I remember correctly I agreed that newer versions
> of the code could be
> > released under GPL with ZSNES a long time ago (which I
> integrated and agreed
> > with the original author "_zsKnight").
> >
> > And yes I probably neglected to update all
> pre-existing files/my abandoned
> > website and such.
> >
> > My bad, but 1. I don't think my website exists
> anymore. 2. If it does exist
> > I probably don't know how to update it and the .zip
> distro. 3. I haven't
> > felt like making a new website for quite a while :P 4.
> I consider ZSNES or
> > the Snes9x projects as the new "source" of the
> file(s), since those are newer
> > versions / I more or less integrated them there, and I
> assume the files
> > source files already have a GPL license. (my memory
> isn't that great).
> >
> > Hope that helps.
> >
> > --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Jason A. Spiro <jasonspiro4(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Jason A. Spiro <jasonspiro4(a)gmail.com>
> >> Subject: 2xSaI has an unclear license and may be
> removed from a number of programs in Fedora Linux
> >> To: "Derek Liauw Kie Fa" <derek-liauw(a)usa.net>,
> "Derek Liauw Kie Fa" <derekl666(a)yahoo.com>,
> "Robert J. Ohannessian" <voidstar(a)ifrance.com>
> >> Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 11:06 PM
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Derek's website[1] has a downloadable copy of
> 2xSaI
> >> available for
> >> download. The text of the website says "GPL",
> but the
> >> readme file
> >> says something contradictory:
> >>
> >> 2xSaI Utility v0.7 Copyright (c)
> >> Derek Liauw Kie Fa, 1999
> >> Comments, Suggestions, Questions, Bugs etc.: derek-liauw(a)usa.net
> >> http://members.xoom.com/derek_liauw/
> >> This program is free for non-commercial use.
> >>
> >> Is the program GPLed (which means it is free to
> sell,
> >> modify, and
> >> more), or is it merely free for non-commercial
> use?
> >> If it is GPLed,
> >> then Derek, could you please update the zipfile to
> say so,
> >> and email
> >> me the updated file?
> >>
> >> If you do not answer, then Fedora Linux may have
> to rip out
> >> 2xSaI from
> >> many programs included on the Fedora DVD. This
> will
> >> be a lot of work,
> >> and will make those programs worse. :) This
> is
> >> because Fedora does
> >> not allow software which is only free for
> non-commercial
> >> use on their
> >> DVD. They require that the DVD be allowed to be
> >> sold.
> >>
> >> Note that I don't represent or volunteer for
> Fedora.
> >> I am just
> >> telling you their policies.
> >>
> >> Kind regards,
> >> -Jason Spiro
> >>
> >> ^ [1]. http://web.archive.org/elektron.its.tudelft.nl/~dalikifa/
>
14 years, 1 month
Re: Fwd: Fedora Blogs
by Tom Callaway
On 10/12/2009 11:04 AM, Nick Bebout wrote:
> Spot (and fedora-legal-list)
>
> I've answered the rest of the questions, but I did not know exactly how
> to reply to the question regarding the CLA.
If I say, yes, this is covered under the CLA, would you freak out? :)
~spot
14 years, 1 month
Helping the Fan project relicense from AFL
by Michel Alexandre Salim
Hi all,
I'm currently discussing with the developers for Fan
(http://fandev.org/), a JVM/CLR language, the possibility of them
relicensing or dual-licensing from the Academic Free License.
Current discussion thread here:
http://fandev.org/sidewalk/topic/777
The main concern seems to be that whatever new license they pick has
patent defense clauses, and the developer that responded, Brian, is
under the opinion that the Apache license does not provide this
(IANAL, but my reading is that it does).
We are likely able to convince them to switch to either ASL 2.0 or
(L)GPLv3+, so if someone from the legal team (Spot?) could address
this concern, we have one more application that suddenly can
interoperate with more FLOSS libraries.
Thanks,
--
Michel Alexandre Salim
14 years, 1 month
