Re: [Fedora-legal-list] Exceptions restricting program name are compatible with "LGPLv2 with exceptions", correct?

[Jeff Backus]

Hi Tom,

Below is Tuomo's response regarding the Notion license in its entirety. 
In short, he was not interested in modifying the terms of the license, 
however, he did confirm that the Notion satisfies the terms of the 
current license.

So, what's next? Is there anything I can do to help the process along?

Regards,
Jeff

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Re: Questions Regarding the Ion(tm) License
Date: 	Sat, 7 Dec 2013 10:15:16 +0000
From: 	Tuomo Valkonen <tuomov(a)iki.fi&gt;
To: 	Jeff Backus <jeff.backus(a)gmail.com&gt;



>  On 06 Dec 2013, at 12:44, Jeff Backus <jeff.backus(a)gmail.com&gt;
> wrote:
>
>  Dr. Valkonen,
>
>  I know you are very busy, so I will be brief.
>
>  I am writing to you on behalf of the Notion project, which is a fork of Ion3(tm) created
> in 2010. Since you have obviously moved onto bigger and better things and Ion3(tm) has not
> been active since 2009, we feel that the additional clauses added to the LGPL 2.1 license
> are no longer necessary to avoid confusion with regard to supporting unofficial versions -
> particularly since you have officially stated that you no longer offer support of any
> version. Therefore we ask that you grant permission to the Notion project to distribute as
> part of the Notion project any and all Ion(tm)-related material, including but not limited
> to primary and ancillary code and documentation, under the terms of the official LGPL
> version 2.1 as specified at https://www.gnu.org/licenses/lgpl-2.1.html.
>
>  If you are not interested in releasing Ion(tm) under the official LGPL, either through
> Notion or other means, would you please at least verify that the Notion name sufficiently
> satisfies the Ion3(tm) license? 
It does.

Tuomo

>  An simple e-mailed response is sufficient for either request. I thank you in advance for
> your time.
>
>  Kind Regards,
>  Jeff
>
>  --
>  Jeff Backus
>  jeff.backus(a)gmail.com
>  http://github.com/jsbackus
>
>

Exceptions restricting program name are compatible with "LGPLv2 with exceptions", correct?

[Jeff Backus]

I know everyone has been really busy trying to get F20 out the door -
congrats to all involved! Now that it is officially released, anyone
willing to pick this back up?

Regards,
Jeff


On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Jeff Backus <jeff.backus(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>   Hi Tom,
>
>  Below is Tuomo's response regarding the Notion license in its entirety. In
>  short, he was not interested in modifying the terms of the license,
>  however, he did confirm that the Notion satisfies the terms of the current
>  license.
>
>  So, what's next? Is there anything I can do to help the process along?
>
>  Regards,
>  Jeff
>
>  -------- Original Message --------  Subject: Re: Questions Regarding the
>  Ion(tm) License  Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 10:15:16 +0000  From: Tuomo
>  Valkonen <tuomov(a)iki.fi&gt; <tuomov(a)iki.fi&gt;  To: Jeff Backus
>  <jeff.backus(a)gmail.com&gt; <jeff.backus(a)gmail.com&gt;
>
>  > On 06 Dec 2013, at 12:44, Jeff Backus <jeff.backus(a)gmail.com&gt;
> <jeff.backus(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  >
>  > Dr. Valkonen,
>  >
>  > I know you are very busy, so I will be brief.
>  >
>  > I am writing to you on behalf of the Notion project, which is a fork of Ion3(tm)
> created in 2010. Since you have obviously moved onto bigger and better things and Ion3(tm)
> has not been active since 2009, we feel that the additional clauses added to the LGPL 2.1
> license are no longer necessary to avoid confusion with regard to supporting unofficial
> versions - particularly since you have officially stated that you no longer offer support
> of any version. Therefore we ask that you grant permission to the Notion project to
> distribute as part of the Notion project any and all Ion(tm)-related material, including
> but not limited to primary and ancillary code and documentation, under the terms of the
> official LGPL version 2.1 as specified at https://www.gnu.org/licenses/lgpl-2.1.html.
>  >
>  > If you are not interested in releasing Ion(tm) under the official LGPL, either
> through Notion or other means, would you please at least verify that the Notion name
> sufficiently satisfies the Ion3(tm) license?
>
>  It does.
>
>  Tuomo
>
>  >
>  > An simple e-mailed response is sufficient for either request. I thank you in advance
> for your time.
>  >
>  > Kind Regards,
>  > Jeff
>  >
>  > --
>  > Jeff Backus
>  > jeff.backus(a)gmail.com
>  > http://github.com/jsbackus
>  >
>  >
>
>
>
>  

-- 
Jeff Backus
jeff.backus(a)gmail.com
http://github.com/jsbackus

Exceptions restricting program name are compatible with "LGPLv2 with exceptions", correct?

[Tom Callaway]

On 12/17/2013 11:37 AM, Jeff Backus wrote:
>  I know everyone has been really busy trying to get F20 out the door
> -
>  congrats to all involved! Now that it is officially released, anyone
>  willing to pick this back up? 
Haven't forgotten about this, waiting on RH Legal. :)

~tom

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Exceptions restricting program name are compatible with "LGPLv2 with exceptions", correct?

[Jeff Backus]

Great! Thanks!

Regards,
Jeff


On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Tom Callaway <tcallawa(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:

>  On 12/17/2013 11:37 AM, Jeff Backus wrote:
>  > I know everyone has been really busy trying to get F20 out the door -
>  > congrats to all involved! Now that it is officially released, anyone
>  > willing to pick this back up?
>
>  Haven't forgotten about this, waiting on RH Legal. :)
>
>  ~tom
>
>  ==
>  ¸.·´¯`·.´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><(((º> OSAS @ Red Hat
>  University Outreach || Fedora Special Projects || Fedora Legal
>  


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http://github.com/jsbackus

Exceptions restricting program name are compatible with "LGPLv2 with exceptions", correct?

[Tom Callaway]

After consulting with Red Hat Legal, we've decided that the Ion3 license
is non-free, even with the clarification provided by Tuomo Valkonen. The
license text is intentionally vague, and Dr. Valkonen has a history of
interpreting the license in such a fashion that it cannot safely be
assumed to be free, even in the narrow case of Notion.

Apologies, I know this isn't what you wanted to hear.

~tom

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University Outreach || Fedora Special Projects || Fedora Legal

Exceptions restricting program name are compatible with "LGPLv2 with exceptions", correct?

[Jeff Backus]

Hi Tom,

No, that's not what we wanted to hear - but any resolution is better than
no resolution! I'll switch it over to RPMFusion.

Tom, thanks again for all of your help. Please pass on our gratitude to the
Red Hat Legal team as well. We appreciate they're taking the time to review
the license.

Regards,
Jeff


On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Tom Callaway <tcallawa(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:

>  After consulting with Red Hat Legal, we've decided that the Ion3
> license
>  is non-free, even with the clarification provided by Tuomo Valkonen. The
>  license text is intentionally vague, and Dr. Valkonen has a history of
>  interpreting the license in such a fashion that it cannot safely be
>  assumed to be free, even in the narrow case of Notion.
>
>  Apologies, I know this isn't what you wanted to hear.
>
>  ~tom
>
>  ==
>  ¸.·´¯`·.´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><(((º> OSAS @ Red Hat
>  University Outreach || Fedora Special Projects || Fedora Legal
>  


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jeff.backus(a)gmail.com
http://github.com/jsbackus