Richard Fontana sent me an interesting note that I hadn't had time to follow up 'til now. It concerns whether Fedora should prefer the use of the term "License Agreement" over "EULA," the latter of which he felt sounded too much like a proprietary software-ism. And if you think about it, he's right -- what does "end user" mean when any user can potentially redistribute? There *IS* no theoretical end to a Fedora supply chain.
I've cc'd him here in case he wants to comment further.
I'd like to move/rename the wiki page at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/Licenses/EULA to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/Licenses/LicenseAgreement and similarly with the other pages.
Fixing the link in firstboot would require fixing all the PO strings as well -- but because the content doesn't change, that's a trivial elbow grease exercise. I'll bring that to Mr. Lumens, along with an offer to make the changes, provided (1) people agree with the change, (2) Chris is in agreement, and (3) we get a rel-eng buy-in for this trivial change.
On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 07:16:39AM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
Richard Fontana sent me an interesting note that I hadn't had time to follow up 'til now. It concerns whether Fedora should prefer the use of the term "License Agreement" over "EULA," the latter of which he felt sounded too much like a proprietary software-ism. And if you think about it, he's right -- what does "end user" mean when any user can potentially redistribute? There *IS* no theoretical end to a Fedora supply chain.
I've cc'd him here in case he wants to comment further.
(disclaimer: IAARHL, TINLA)
Thanks Paul. I had meant to raise this here but hadn't had a chance. The change is symbolic, a matter of labeling, so in one sense it doesn't matter, but I think for the reasons you give, it's better not to use "EULA".[1]
[1]It's true that Red Hat uses a similar "EULA" for some of its products, and one could raise a similar issue regarding the use of the label in that context, even if the political considerations are not entirely the same.
I'd like to move/rename the wiki page at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/Licenses/EULA to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/Licenses/LicenseAgreement and similarly with the other pages.
Fixing the link in firstboot would require fixing all the PO strings as well -- but because the content doesn't change, that's a trivial elbow grease exercise. I'll bring that to Mr. Lumens, along with an offer to make the changes, provided (1) people agree with the change, (2) Chris is in agreement, and (3) we get a rel-eng buy-in for this trivial change.
This is really easy to change, so I've got no problem doing it. The only thing is we'll need translators to fix it up in a hurry or the license info dialog will be in English for everyone in the final release.
- Chris
On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 05:29 -0400, clumens@redhat.com wrote:
I'd like to move/rename the wiki page at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/Licenses/EULA to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/Licenses/LicenseAgreement and similarly with the other pages.
Fixing the link in firstboot would require fixing all the PO strings as well -- but because the content doesn't change, that's a trivial elbow grease exercise. I'll bring that to Mr. Lumens, along with an offer to make the changes, provided (1) people agree with the change, (2) Chris is in agreement, and (3) we get a rel-eng buy-in for this trivial change.
This is really easy to change, so I've got no problem doing it. The only thing is we'll need translators to fix it up in a hurry or the license info dialog will be in English for everyone in the final release.
Well, given that it's not a change in wording, just a link URL, the changes could be made across all the PO without disturbing the translations. In other words, it will make that entry "fuzzy" for all the translations, but anyone could go in and correct that entry in all the PO files. I'll even volunteer to do it, since this is something I've done once or twice for similar trivial changes in Docs.
I'd like to move/rename the wiki page at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/Licenses/EULA to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/Licenses/LicenseAgreement and similarly with the other pages.
Done. We'd better change the page location before rebuilding firstboot or we're bound to hear complaints about us asking people to read things that aren't there.
- Chris
On Thu, 2008-04-10 at 04:54 -0400, clumens@redhat.com wrote:
I'd like to move/rename the wiki page at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/Licenses/EULA to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/Licenses/LicenseAgreement and similarly with the other pages.
Done. We'd better change the page location before rebuilding firstboot or we're bound to hear complaints about us asking people to read things that aren't there.
I've updated all the wiki pages as needed. Did you want me to send you a patch for firstboot, or did you want to handle that part?
I've updated all the wiki pages as needed. Did you want me to send you a patch for firstboot, or did you want to handle that part?
I've updated the module itself and rebuilt the .po files. If you want to send me a patch for all the .po files that does the boring stuff, I'll gladly accept it.
- Chris
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