Can I package linapple and ship it in Fedora?

[Link Dupont]

Hello,

I've created a package[1] for linapple[2], an Apple ][ family emulator. I'm trying to understand whether it can be included in Fedora or not. I've read the legal guidelines on emulators[3] and the packaging guidelines on what can be packaged[4]. I believe linapple can run without requiring any sort of boot/system ROM, so I think this falls into the category of inclusion in Fedora. I want to follow the spirit of Fedora's open source as much as possible. Can anyone with a better understanding of the emulator requirements tell me whether linapple can be included or not?

Thanks!
Link

1: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2025398
2: https://github.com/linappleii/linapple
3: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/legal/misc/#_emulators
4: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/packaging-guidelines/what-can-be-packag...

[Neal Gompa]

On Fri, Dec 22, 2023 at 9:06 AM Link Dupont  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I've created a package[1] for linapple[2], an Apple ][ family emulator. I'm trying to understand whether it can be included in Fedora or not. I've read the legal guidelines on emulators[3] and the packaging guidelines on what can be packaged[4]. I believe linapple can run without requiring any sort of boot/system ROM, so I think this falls into the category of inclusion in Fedora. I want to follow the spirit of Fedora's open source as much as possible. Can anyone with a better understanding of the emulator requirements tell me whether linapple can be included or not?
>
> Thanks!
> Link
>
> 1: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2025398
> 2: https://github.com/linappleii/linapple
> 3: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/legal/misc/#_emulators
> 4: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/packaging-guidelines/what-can-be-packag...

From what I can see in the source code, I think linapple is fine to
include. There's no proprietary blobs or code in there that I can see.

[Dan Horák]

On Fri, 22 Dec 2023 09:13:34 -0500
Neal Gompa  wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 22, 2023 at 9:06 AM Link Dupont  wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I've created a package[1] for linapple[2], an Apple ][ family emulator. I'm trying to understand whether it can be included in Fedora or not. I've read the legal guidelines on emulators[3] and the packaging guidelines on what can be packaged[4]. I believe linapple can run without requiring any sort of boot/system ROM, so I think this falls into the category of inclusion in Fedora. I want to follow the spirit of Fedora's open source as much as possible. Can anyone with a better understanding of the emulator requirements tell me whether linapple can be included or not?
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Link
> >
> > 1: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2025398
> > 2: https://github.com/linappleii/linapple
> > 3: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/legal/misc/#_emulators
> > 4: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/packaging-guidelines/what-can-be-packag...
>
> From what I can see in the source code, I think linapple is fine to
> include. There's no proprietary blobs or code in there that I can see.

https://github.com/linappleii/linapple/blob/master/inc/resource.h
contains a dump of a ROM, I suppose it's the Apple one, not a
free reimplementation. Thus I believe linapple is non-free.

Dan

[Neal Gompa]

On Fri, Dec 22, 2023 at 9:38 AM Dan Horák  wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Dec 2023 09:13:34 -0500
> Neal Gompa  wrote:
> > On Fri, Dec 22, 2023 at 9:06 AM Link Dupont  wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I've created a package[1] for linapple[2], an Apple ][ family emulator. I'm trying to understand whether it can be included in Fedora or not. I've read the legal guidelines on emulators[3] and the packaging guidelines on what can be packaged[4]. I believe linapple can run without requiring any sort of boot/system ROM, so I think this falls into the category of inclusion in Fedora. I want to follow the spirit of Fedora's open source as much as possible. Can anyone with a better understanding of the emulator requirements tell me whether linapple can be included or not?
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > > Link
> > >
> > > 1: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2025398
> > > 2: https://github.com/linappleii/linapple
> > > 3: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/legal/misc/#_emulators
> > > 4: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/packaging-guidelines/what-can-be-packag...
> >
> > From what I can see in the source code, I think linapple is fine to
> > include. There's no proprietary blobs or code in there that I can see.
>
> https://github.com/linappleii/linapple/blob/master/inc/resource.h
> contains a dump of a ROM, I suppose it's the Apple one, not a
> free reimplementation. Thus I believe linapple is non-free.

Oof I missed that, thanks for catching it. Yes, I agree.

[Dan Horák]

On Fri, 22 Dec 2023 10:35:26 -0500
Neal Gompa  wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 22, 2023 at 9:38 AM Dan Horák  wrote:
> > On Fri, 22 Dec 2023 09:13:34 -0500
> > Neal Gompa  wrote:
> > > On Fri, Dec 22, 2023 at 9:06 AM Link Dupont  wrote:
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > I've created a package[1] for linapple[2], an Apple ][ family emulator. I'm trying to understand whether it can be included in Fedora or not. I've read the legal guidelines on emulators[3] and the packaging guidelines on what can be packaged[4]. I believe linapple can run without requiring any sort of boot/system ROM, so I think this falls into the category of inclusion in Fedora. I want to follow the spirit of Fedora's open source as much as possible. Can anyone with a better understanding of the emulator requirements tell me whether linapple can be included or not?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > > > Link
> > > >
> > > > 1: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2025398
> > > > 2: https://github.com/linappleii/linapple
> > > > 3: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/legal/misc/#_emulators
> > > > 4: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/packaging-guidelines/what-can-be-packag...
> > >
> > > From what I can see in the source code, I think linapple is fine to
> > > include. There's no proprietary blobs or code in there that I can see.
> >
> > https://github.com/linappleii/linapple/blob/master/inc/resource.h
> > contains a dump of a ROM, I suppose it's the Apple one, not a
> > free reimplementation. Thus I believe linapple is non-free.
>
> Oof I missed that, thanks for catching it. Yes, I agree.

np, there is always a ROM in these classic systems and only a few have
a free re-implementations (eg. Ataris), so I am very cautious about
emulators.

Dan