12:07 p.m.
Hello.
Why we can[1] add unfiltered Flathub (it contains both patent-encumbered
and proprietary software) and we can't[2] add RPM Fusion at the same time?
[1]: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/300
[2]: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/300#comment-793791
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Vitaly Zaitsev (vitaly(a)easycoding.org)
2:36 p.m.
On Sat, Apr 23, 2022 at 07:07:22PM +0200, Vitaly Zaitsev wrote:
Hello.
Why we can[1] add unfiltered Flathub (it contains both
patent-encumbered and proprietary software) and we can't[2] add RPM
Fusion at the same time?
[1]: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/300
[2]: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/300#comment-793791
Flathub is a third-party repository which provides software for various
Linux distributions. It doesn't shape what software it carries around what
Fedora does not. It fundamentally exists to solve a problem with Linux app
distribution to which our policies around licensing, software freedom, and
etc., are incidental. This makes it a different case.
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Matthew Miller
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Fedora Project Leader
4:29 p.m.
On 27/04/2022 21:36, Matthew Miller wrote:
Flathub is a third-party repository which provides software for
various
Linux distributions. It doesn't shape what software it carries around what
Fedora does not. It fundamentally exists to solve a problem with Linux app
distribution to which our policies around licensing, software freedom, and
etc., are incidental. This makes it a different case.
We can't ship RPM Fusion because it contains patent-encumbered and
proprietary software, right? But at the same time, we can ship Flathub
which contains the same software. I can't understand that.
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Vitaly Zaitsev (vitaly(a)easycoding.org)
7:59 a.m.
On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 9:29 PM Vitaly Zaitsev <vitaly(a)easycoding.org> wrote:
We can't ship RPM Fusion because it contains patent-encumbered
and
proprietary software, right? But at the same time, we can ship Flathub
which contains the same software. I can't understand that.
Last I knew, rpmfusion also ships software which includes
software for which the repo does not have redistribution
rights(*), and software whose primary purpose is for dmca
circumvention(**).
While the issue of patent encumbrances is related, these
are also different considerations for which counsel will
need to render their advice in terms of acceptability.
Given the large variation across jurisdictions regarding
IP laws/regulations, the answer is often not clear cut
or obvious to those not steeped into the depths of IP law
(and, of course, two different lawyers might come to
subtly different recommendations from the same set of
facts).
(*) As I recall, packagers for flathub must be able
to show redistribution rights, or download the related
files via an alternative mechanism (which flathub
does provide a mechanism to accomplish during
install).
(**) And this gets into weeds about redistribution of
such software vs simply using such software, and
whether referencing/linking to such content is an
issue. Which may also vary between jurisdictions.
8:27 a.m.
On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 9:00 AM Gary Buhrmaster
<gary.buhrmaster(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 9:29 PM Vitaly Zaitsev <vitaly(a)easycoding.org> wrote:
> We can't ship RPM Fusion because it contains patent-encumbered and
> proprietary software, right? But at the same time, we can ship Flathub
> which contains the same software. I can't understand that.
Last I knew, rpmfusion also ships software which includes
software for which the repo does not have redistribution
rights(*), and software whose primary purpose is for dmca
circumvention(**).
While the issue of patent encumbrances is related, these
are also different considerations for which counsel will
need to render their advice in terms of acceptability.
Given the large variation across jurisdictions regarding
IP laws/regulations, the answer is often not clear cut
or obvious to those not steeped into the depths of IP law
(and, of course, two different lawyers might come to
subtly different recommendations from the same set of
facts).
(*) As I recall, packagers for flathub must be able
to show redistribution rights, or download the related
files via an alternative mechanism (which flathub
does provide a mechanism to accomplish during
install).
(**) And this gets into weeds about redistribution of
such software vs simply using such software, and
whether referencing/linking to such content is an
issue. Which may also vary between jurisdictions.
This is also a bit murky with Flathub, as the download doesn't happen
on the local user's side with extra-data-download, it happens in
Flathub and repacks it server-side. That means Flathub is doing
redistribution. I can see a few examples where this is obviously problematic.
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12:13 p.m.
On 28/04/2022 14:59, Gary Buhrmaster wrote:
Last I knew, rpmfusion also ships software which includes
software for which the repo does not have redistribution
rights(*), and software whose primary purpose is for dmca
circumvention(**).
Can you elaborate? Which packages from RPM Fusion repository we can't
redistribute?
As I recall, packagers for flathub must be able
to show redistribution rights, or download the related
files via an alternative mechanism (which flathub
does provide a mechanism to accomplish during
install).
1. RPM Fusion non-free also requires an explicit distribution permission
from developers.
2. For some packages, lpf is used to download data during installation
on end-users machines.
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Vitaly Zaitsev (vitaly(a)easycoding.org)
11:58 a.m.
On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 07:13:28PM +0200, Vitaly Zaitsev wrote:
Can you elaborate? Which packages from RPM Fusion repository we
can't redistribute?
Let's not speculate about RPM Fusion software here, please.
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Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org>
Fedora Project Leader
1:52 p.m.
On 29/04/2022 18:58, Matthew Miller wrote:
Let's not speculate about RPM Fusion software here, please.
Why not? I think these packages can be moved to the -tainted repository
and the base RPM Fusion can be pre-installed by default.
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