Do I have to remove the Fedora logos when redistributing a modified version of a Fedora ISO?

[T-vK T-vK]

Hello there,

I’m thinking about redistributing a slightly modified version of the official Fedora 34 ISO.
Do I have to modify the ISO and remove all Fedora logos and replace them with the Fedora Remix Logo? And if so, is there a list of file locations that I have to take care of?
I would of course make it very clear to everyone trying to download that ISO, that it is not official and merely based on Fedora. I have no intention of using any logos, unless i have to of course.
I found this site:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal:Secondary_trademark_usage_guidelines?rd...
It mentions the Fedora Remix Logo, but I don't understand what it is actually for and where exactly I have to use it.
Any help would be appreciated.

Best regards
T-vK

[Scott Dowdle]

Greetings,

----- Original Message -----
> I’m thinking about redistributing a slightly modified version of the
> official Fedora 34 ISO.
> Do I have to modify the ISO and remove all Fedora logos and replace
> them with the Fedora Remix Logo? And if so, is there a list of file
> locations that I have to take care of?

Depends on what you are modifying.  If you are only using the stock Fedora repositories and just only using packages from them... then you are making a "respin".  You don't have to rebrand respins.

If you are using third-party software from outside of the stock Fedora repositories, they you are making a "remix" and remixes should not keep the Fedora branding.  What do you replace?  Basically you have two options.  You can build your own logos package and install that instead of the Fedora logos packages... OR... if you aren't going to provide your own logos package... you can use the fedora-remix-logos package which they made for that purpose.

OR AT LEAST that is my NON-official answer as I'm not an official representative from Fedora.  I'm guessing someone will correct me if my info is outdated.

TYL,

[T-vK T-vK]

Thank you very much for the quick response! I'm definitely making a remix then. Installing fedora-remix-logos inside the image was pretty easy. But since I'm modifying the original image instead of building my own, I have one more question: I probably have to uninstall the official logos as well, right? I.e. uninstall the "fedora-logos" package. Is there something else I would have to take care of?

Best regards
T-vK

[Scott Dowdle]

Greetings,

----- Original Message -----
> I'm definitely making a remix then. Installing fedora-remix-logos 
> inside the image was pretty easy. But since I'm modifying the original 
> image instead of building my own, I have one more question: I probably 
> have to uninstall the official logos as well, right? I.e. uninstall the
> "fedora-logos" package. Is there something else I would have to take
> care of?

In the past they had a Generic-logos package, and I haven't tried the newer one... but if it is like in the past, there is a conflict with the fedora-logos package and when you install one, it'll remove the other.

So, you ARE NOT building your own?  Why not?  How are you building it then?  I make my own personal remixes that I don't really publicly promote or distribute, and I don't bother to rebrand... but I do "build" it with livecd-creator or more recently, with livemedia-creator.

TYL,

[T-vK T-vK]

I'm using `editliveos` to make some modifications to the original ISO. It's all open source, this is the function that modifies it:
https://github.com/T-vK/MobilePassThrough/blob/da8c37ebdb4147dbbcde0e55a5008...

I have tried actually building an image using livecd-creator a few years ago, but it was a very time consuming process and I think also problematic to fully automate. I literally just need to add/edit a handful of files to the original image which seems way easier and way more efficient to me than rebuilding the whole image.

After installing `fedora-remix-logos` in the ISO, I tried removing `fedora-logos` to see if it got removed automatically, but it was still there and shouldn't be removed because gnome-shell is depending on it...

Best regards
T-vK

[Matthew Miller]

On Tue, Apr 12, 2022 at 09:16:17PM -0000, T-vK T-vK wrote:
> Thank you very much for the quick response! I'm definitely making a remix
> then. Installing fedora-remix-logos inside the image was pretty easy. But
> since I'm modifying the original image instead of building my own, I have
> one more question: I probably have to uninstall the official logos as
> well, right? I.e. uninstall the "fedora-logos" package. Is there something
> else I would have to take care of?

It is our intention for the official logos to be contained in that package,
precisely so that this is easy to do. If you find them elsewhere, that's a
bug.

[T-vK T-vK]

Okay, so I have installed fedora-remix-logos inside the ISO and when booting it I can confirm the package is installed, but unfortunately the fedora logo is still there. E.g. in the bottom right of the default desktop wallpaper.

[Matthew Miller]

On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 09:40:15AM -0000, T-vK T-vK wrote:
> Okay, so I have installed fedora-remix-logos inside the ISO and when
> booting it I can confirm the package is installed, but unfortunately the
> fedora logo is still there. E.g. in the bottom right of the default
> desktop wallpaper.

It looks like that package is just additive and doesn't do a full replace.
However, `generic-logos` does. So, looks like you'll also need to do `sudo
dnf install --allowerasing generic-logos`.

We could look at changing this so the fedora-remix package does a full
reskin as well. I don't remember being asked about that before, honestly. (I
think many people using the remix option add their own logos, and use
"Fedora Remix" as a kind of badge.)

[T-vK T-vK]

Thank you! :) Installing the `generic-logos` package as you described successfully removed the logos. Although the "OS Name" in Gnome's "About" window still says "Fedora 34 (Workstation Edition)", but the Logos are gone. I wasn't able to get the remix logos instead though, even after installing `fedora-remix-logos`. Instead of proper logos I only see a tiny grey logo resembling a piece of paper with a warning sign on it. Any ideas how I can fix that?
Maybe the reason why no one has asked for this before is because I'm modifying an existing ISO image rather than building a new one. I suppose that not many people would do that.

[Neal Gompa]

On Fri, Apr 15, 2022 at 6:41 AM T-vK T-vK  wrote:
> Thank you! :) Installing the `generic-logos` package as you described successfully removed the logos. Although the "OS Name" in Gnome's "About" window still says "Fedora 34 (Workstation Edition)", but the Logos are gone. I wasn't able to get the remix logos instead though, even after installing `fedora-remix-logos`. Instead of proper logos I only see a tiny grey logo resembling a piece of paper with a warning sign on it. Any ideas how I can fix that?
> Maybe the reason why no one has asked for this before is because I'm modifying an existing ISO image rather than building a new one. I suppose that not many people would do that.

Changing the name requires swapping to the "generic-release" package,
using the same mechanism you used for "generic-logos".

[Matthew Miller]

On Tue, Apr 12, 2022 at 01:47:10PM -0600, Scott Dowdle wrote:
> Depends on what you are modifying. If you are only using the stock Fedora
> repositories and just only using packages from them... then you are making
> a "respin". You don't have to rebrand respins.

You do need trademark permission from the Fedora Council in this case:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal:Trademark_guidelines#New_combinations_o...

Normally this is done through a Change proposal in conjunction with
proposing that the spin be produced in Fedora infrastructure and etc. But it
would be possible to do in your own infrastructure as well.