I need to make an live USB that installs

[ToddAndMargo]

Hi All,

Instead if making a Live DVD of

      Fedora-Live-Xfce-x86_64-23-10.iso

I wish to make a Live USB.  The goal is to use it
to install Xfce FC23 to new computers.

I know that the Live DVD has an install to hard drive option,
but I do not remember if Live USB has the same option.

Is this the proper way to destructive install this thing
to a USB flash drive (/dev/sdc)?

dd bs=4096 if=Fedora-Live-Xfce-x86_64-23-10.iso of=/dev/sdc

Many thanks,
-T


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[Scott Dowdle]

Greetings,

----- Original Message -----
>  Hi All,
>  
>  Instead if making a Live DVD of
>  
>        Fedora-Live-Xfce-x86_64-23-10.iso
>  
>  I wish to make a Live USB.  The goal is to use it
>  to install Xfce FC23 to new computers.
>  
>  I know that the Live DVD has an install to hard drive option,
>  but I do not remember if Live USB has the same option.
>  
>  Is this the proper way to destructive install this thing
>  to a USB flash drive (/dev/sdc)?
>  
>  dd bs=4096 if=Fedora-Live-Xfce-x86_64-23-10.iso of=/dev/sdc 
That should work.  Another way would be to use the livecd-iso-to-disk command from a
Fedora host.

Yet another alternative would be liveusb-creator which is a GUI program.

TYL,
-- 
Scott Dowdle
704 Church Street
Belgrade, MT 59714
[phone] [home]
[phone] [work]

[ToddAndMargo]

On 02/11/2016 01:50 PM, Scott Dowdle wrote:
>  Greetings,
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Instead if making a Live DVD of
> >
> >        Fedora-Live-Xfce-x86_64-23-10.iso
> >
> > I wish to make a Live USB.  The goal is to use it
> > to install Xfce FC23 to new computers.
> >
> > I know that the Live DVD has an install to hard drive option,
> > but I do not remember if Live USB has the same option.
> >
> > Is this the proper way to destructive install this thing
> > to a USB flash drive (/dev/sdc)?
> >
> > dd bs=4096 if=Fedora-Live-Xfce-x86_64-23-10.iso of=/dev/sdc
>
>  That should work.  Another way would be to use the livecd-iso-to-disk command from a
> Fedora host.
>
>  Yet another alternative would be liveusb-creator which is a GUI program.
>
>  TYL,
>  
Thank you!

I think I am doing something wrong.  Sums do not match.

# sha256sum Fedora-Live-Xfce-x86_64-23-10.iso /dev/sdc

a24e48a604c81f8e3c3fbdd48a907d7168d0bc5310a0072f8b844aa799dd3365
Fedora-Live-Xfce-x86_64-23-10.iso

275a4d25bccb92fee667ef2500cd8eba7bb8dbe1546b08869116327771d8356d
/dev/sdc

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[ToddAndMargo]

On 02/11/2016 02:03 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote:
>  On 02/11/2016 01:50 PM, Scott Dowdle wrote:
> > Greetings,
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> Instead if making a Live DVD of
> >>
> >>        Fedora-Live-Xfce-x86_64-23-10.iso
> >>
> >> I wish to make a Live USB.  The goal is to use it
> >> to install Xfce FC23 to new computers.
> >>
> >> I know that the Live DVD has an install to hard drive option,
> >> but I do not remember if Live USB has the same option.
> >>
> >> Is this the proper way to destructive install this thing
> >> to a USB flash drive (/dev/sdc)?
> >>
> >> dd bs=4096 if=Fedora-Live-Xfce-x86_64-23-10.iso of=/dev/sdc
> >
> > That should work.  Another way would be to use the livecd-iso-to-disk
> > command from a Fedora host.
> >
> > Yet another alternative would be liveusb-creator which is a GUI program.
> >
> > TYL,
> >
>
>  Thank you!
>
>  I think I am doing something wrong.  Sums do not match.
>
>  # sha256sum Fedora-Live-Xfce-x86_64-23-10.iso /dev/sdc
>
>  a24e48a604c81f8e3c3fbdd48a907d7168d0bc5310a0072f8b844aa799dd3365
>  Fedora-Live-Xfce-x86_64-23-10.iso
>
>  275a4d25bccb92fee667ef2500cd8eba7bb8dbe1546b08869116327771d8356d
>  /dev/sdc
>  

It does boot up and there is an icon for "Install to hard drive".
Dare I trust it with the sha256 sums not matching?

"dd" seems to be a really sweet way to install this to a flash
drive.  Takes less than a minute.  Is dd for this something new?

-- 
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Computers are like air conditioners.
They malfunction when you open windows
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[Scott Dowdle]

Greetings,

----- Original Message -----
>  It does boot up and there is an icon for "Install to hard
> drive".
>  Dare I trust it with the sha256 sums not matching? 
I addressed that my last post... but to restate... the checksum isn't for you to check
the written media with... but for verifying that your download was good.

>  "dd" seems to be a really sweet way to install this to a
> flash
>  drive.  Takes less than a minute.  Is dd for this something new? 
dd is going to be destructive... but the alternatives offer non-destructive ways I think. 
I could be wrong on that.  dd also only outputs what it was given whereas the other two
offer additional features like being able to create persistent storage, a separate home
partition, and even an encrypted home partition (all on the USB media).  That is for
running a live system from and having persistent storage across boots.

TYL,
-- 
Scott Dowdle
704 Church Street
Belgrade, MT 59714
[phone] [home]
[phone] [work]

[ToddAndMargo]

On 02/11/2016 02:14 PM, Scott Dowdle wrote:
>  Greetings,
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> > It does boot up and there is an icon for "Install to hard drive".
> > Dare I trust it with the sha256 sums not matching?
>
>  I addressed that my last post... but to restate... the checksum isn't for you to
> check the written media with... but for verifying that your download was good.
>
> > "dd" seems to be a really sweet way to install this to a flash
> > drive.  Takes less than a minute.  Is dd for this something new?
>
>  dd is going to be destructive... but the alternatives offer non-destructive ways I think.
>  I could be wrong on that.  dd also only outputs what it was given whereas the other two
> offer additional features like being able to create persistent storage, a separate home
> partition, and even an encrypted home partition (all on the USB media).  That is for
> running a live system from and having persistent storage across boots.
>
>  TYL,
>  
Hi TYL,

I have used those other methods before, but I do not remember
"Install to hard drive" showing up.

I also have a full (not Live) install of FC23 on a flash drive
that I use for maintenance purposes.  Lately, I have used
it for Windows users that can't remember their passwords
(ntchpw).  I call it my "Dead Stick".

And last night, my shop computer lost its 15+ years old used
hard drive, so I was on my Dead Stick all night.  I "suppose"
I should finally break down a buy a new hard drive.  Perhaps.

I find that a full install much easier to deal with than
a LIVE USB, especially if I want to copy to and from it,
with my ability to mount the drive as a standard EXT4 flash
drive.

But the ISO is just heaven for doing new installs of Xfce.

-T

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Computers are like air conditioners.
They malfunction when you open windows
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[Scott Dowdle]

Greetings,

----- Original Message -----
>  I think I am doing something wrong.  Sums do not match.
>  
>  # sha256sum Fedora-Live-Xfce-x86_64-23-10.iso /dev/sdc
>  
>  a24e48a604c81f8e3c3fbdd48a907d7168d0bc5310a0072f8b844aa799dd3365
>  Fedora-Live-Xfce-x86_64-23-10.iso
>  
>  275a4d25bccb92fee667ef2500cd8eba7bb8dbe1546b08869116327771d8356d
>  /dev/sdc 
I don't think a comparison of the checksum for the .iso and for the sdc device is
necessarily a valid comparison but I'm not sure.  I mean, unless your .iso and drive
are exactly the same size (one would assume they are not), you aren't comparing apples
to apples.  The checksum of the sdc device would include all of the bits you wrote... plus
anything after that on the disk.

TYL,
-- 
Scott Dowdle
704 Church Street
Belgrade, MT 59714
[phone] [home]
[phone] [work]

[ToddAndMargo]

On 02/11/2016 02:09 PM, Scott Dowdle wrote:
>  Greetings,
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> > I think I am doing something wrong.  Sums do not match.
> >
> > # sha256sum Fedora-Live-Xfce-x86_64-23-10.iso /dev/sdc
> >
> > a24e48a604c81f8e3c3fbdd48a907d7168d0bc5310a0072f8b844aa799dd3365
> > Fedora-Live-Xfce-x86_64-23-10.iso
> >
> > 275a4d25bccb92fee667ef2500cd8eba7bb8dbe1546b08869116327771d8356d
> > /dev/sdc
>
>  I don't think a comparison of the checksum for the .iso and for the sdc device is
> necessarily a valid comparison but I'm not sure.  I mean, unless your .iso and drive
> are exactly the same size (one would assume they are not), you aren't comparing apples
> to apples.  The checksum of the sdc device would include all of the bits you wrote... plus
> anything after that on the disk.
>
>  TYL,
>  
Hi TYL,

Oh yes, you are correct. /dev/sdc checks the entire contents, not
just what the iso wrote.

The stick seems to work well too.  It is USB3 and I tested it
in USB2.  (My USB3 card is non bootable.  Curses!).  And
really fast.  Surprising with USB2!

Installing Xfce with this still is going to be a blast.

Many thanks,
-T

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Computers are like air conditioners.
They malfunction when you open windows
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