Portuguese pt_PT spins

[Pedro Silva]

Hi!

I pulled the latest .ks through git and changed the files accordingly to
create pt_PT localized spins of fedora.

Attached are the following spins:

- Electronic Lab
- KDE
- XFCE
- Developer
- Games

Just has Jeroen said, on gnome based livecds, I added the %post hack for
the xorg.conf keyboard stuff. I think these are electronic-lab,
developer and games. 

Also regarding localized versions of software, does @portguese-support
flag pull localized dependecies of packages? Although I can't find it
now, I think childsplay used to have a childsplay-sounds-pt package. Is
this pulled by @portuguese-support flag?

One more thing I remembered, Portugal has two timezones (Lisboa/Mainland
and Açores Islands), does it make sense to create another spin to cover
both timezones? What about countries with multiple timezones?

Just some ideas and thoughts.

Best regards,

-- 
Pedro Silva

[Jeroen van Meeuwen]

Pedro Silva wrote:
>  Hi!
>  
>  I pulled the latest .ks through git and changed the files accordingly to
>  create pt_PT localized spins of fedora.
>  
>  Attached are the following spins:
>  
>  - Electronic Lab
>  - KDE
>  - XFCE
>  - Developer
>  - Games
>  
>  Just has Jeroen said, on gnome based livecds, I added the %post hack for
>  the xorg.conf keyboard stuff. I think these are electronic-lab,
>  developer and games. 
>   
Hi Pedro,

I've added the kickstarts to the kickstart pool, thanks

>  Also regarding localized versions of software, does
> @portguese-support
>  flag pull localized dependecies of packages? Although I can't find it
>  now, I think childsplay used to have a childsplay-sounds-pt package. Is
>  this pulled by @portuguese-support flag?
>   
The @*-support groups have conditional requirements. For example, if 
openoffice.org is in the package set, @*-support will pull in the 
appropriate openoffice.org-langpack.

>  One more thing I remembered, Portugal has two timezones
> (Lisboa/Mainland
>  and Açores Islands), does it make sense to create another spin to cover
>  both timezones? What about countries with multiple timezones?
>   
This is a very good question, which I haven't thought about (yet). 
Localized spins in this sense is hard. We'd want to prevent having a 
million kickstarts just for each and every combination of keyboard, 
timezone, and possibly dialect, and so forth, just to not confuse people 
any more then we need to. Creating a localized spin should just be as 
easy as possible. I can imagine we would either;

1) provide a little commentary section in the localized kickstart where 
one timezone is the default, but another timezone entry is commented out 
so people can easily enable it, or

2) point people to loading the kickstart in system-config-kickstart 
letting them adjust (all) settings and save the changes, or

3) having additional options to livecd-tools / revisor to override what 
is in the supplied kickstart.

I'm not sure which of these would be the more appropriate way to go.

Kind regards,

Jeroen van Meeuwen
-kanarip

[Pedro Silva]

Ter, 2008-06-03 às 14:25 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen escreveu:
>  Pedro Silva wrote:
>  > Hi!
>  > 
>  > I pulled the latest .ks through git and changed the files accordingly to
>  > create pt_PT localized spins of fedora.
>  > 
>  > Attached are the following spins:
>  > 
>  > - Electronic Lab
>  > - KDE
>  > - XFCE
>  > - Developer
>  > - Games
>  > 
>  > Just has Jeroen said, on gnome based livecds, I added the %post hack for
>  > the xorg.conf keyboard stuff. I think these are electronic-lab,
>  > developer and games. 
>  > 
>  
>  Hi Pedro,
>  
>  I've added the kickstarts to the kickstart pool, thanks
>  
>  > Also regarding localized versions of software, does @portguese-support
>  > flag pull localized dependecies of packages? Although I can't find it
>  > now, I think childsplay used to have a childsplay-sounds-pt package. Is
>  > this pulled by @portuguese-support flag?
>  > 
>  
>  The @*-support groups have conditional requirements. For example, if 
>  openoffice.org is in the package set, @*-support will pull in the 
>  appropriate openoffice.org-langpack. 
I'm sorry, the package I was trying to refer to is gcompris-sounds-pt.
So this would be pulled, great!

>  > One more thing I remembered, Portugal has two timezones
> (Lisboa/Mainland
>  > and Açores Islands), does it make sense to create another spin to cover
>  > both timezones? What about countries with multiple timezones?
>  > 
>  
>  This is a very good question, which I haven't thought about (yet). 
>  Localized spins in this sense is hard. We'd want to prevent having a 
>  million kickstarts just for each and every combination of keyboard, 
>  timezone, and possibly dialect, and so forth, just to not confuse people 
>  any more then we need to. Creating a localized spin should just be as 
>  easy as possible. I can imagine we would either;
>  
>  1) provide a little commentary section in the localized kickstart where 
>  one timezone is the default, but another timezone entry is commented out 
>  so people can easily enable it, or
>  
>  2) point people to loading the kickstart in system-config-kickstart 
>  letting them adjust (all) settings and save the changes, or
>  
>  3) having additional options to livecd-tools / revisor to override what 
>  is in the supplied kickstart. 
IMHO, every point you made is valid. If I were hand editing a ks file,
comments always help. I rarelly use s-c-kickstart, but it would help a
lot in changing little things/options. I don't know why but revisor
never really worked for me, I forgot about it since F7.

I guess it really depends on the user's favorite tool. Maybe it makes
sense to implement all three points, I don't know.

But I have to agree with you, if we hit a country that has half dozen
timezones, four keyboard sets and if we multiply it by the number of
spins, there will be a lot of files to choose from. This would confuse
the user trying to build a spin for sure.

Best regards,

-- 
Pedro Silva

[Igor Pires Soares]

Em Ter, 2008-06-03 às 18:44 +0100, Pedro Silva escreveu:
>  Ter, 2008-06-03 às 14:25 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen escreveu:
>  > 
>  > The @*-support groups have conditional requirements. For example, if 
>  > openoffice.org is in the package set, @*-support will pull in the 
>  > appropriate openoffice.org-langpack.
>  
>  I'm sorry, the package I was trying to refer to is gcompris-sounds-pt.
>  So this would be pulled, great! 
I think Fedora 9 has some trouble with @*-support. At least when I am
installing it I choose the Brazilian Portuguese Support but I don't
get openoffice.org-langpack-pt_BR installed neither hunspell-pt.

The same thing is happening with kickstart files. I have to add
openoffice.org-langpack-pt_BR and hunspell-pt manually. While creating a
F8 spin, @brazilian-support is sufficient to get them.

By the way, Jeroen did you get my pt_BR spin .ks files? I sent to your
e-mail.

Regards,
Igor Pires Soares

[Jeroen van Meeuwen]

Igor Pires Soares wrote:
>  I think Fedora 9 has some trouble with @*-support. At least when I
> am
>  installing it I choose the Brazilian Portuguese Support but I don't
>  get openoffice.org-langpack-pt_BR installed neither hunspell-pt.
>  
>  The same thing is happening with kickstart files. I have to add
>  openoffice.org-langpack-pt_BR and hunspell-pt manually. While creating a
>  F8 spin, @brazilian-support is sufficient to get them.
>   
Strange. Another thing to investigate and yet another reason to look 
into redesigning the comps system.

>  By the way, Jeroen did you get my pt_BR spin .ks files? I sent to
> your
>  e-mail.
>   
If you sent them, I received them. I just need to digg them up from 
under a huge pile of unread (and possibly marked as read) mail ;-)

Thank you,

Kind regards,

Jeroen van Meeuwen
-kanarip

[Jeroen van Meeuwen]

Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote:
>  Igor Pires Soares wrote:
> > By the way, Jeroen did you get my pt_BR spin .ks files? I sent to your
> > e-mail.
> >
>  
>  If you sent them, I received them. I just need to digg them up from 
>  under a huge pile of unread (and possibly marked as read) mail ;-)
>   
Dugg'm up, reviewed it, applied the keyboard layout xorg.conf hack, 
added and pushed it to the GIT repository.

Thanks again,

Kind regards,

Jeroen van Meeuwen
-kanarip

[Jeremy Katz]

On Wed, 2008-06-04 at 16:06 -0300, Igor Pires Soares wrote:
>  Em Ter, 2008-06-03 às 18:44 +0100, Pedro Silva escreveu:
>  > Ter, 2008-06-03 às 14:25 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen escreveu:
>  > > 
>  > > The @*-support groups have conditional requirements. For example, if 
>  > > openoffice.org is in the package set, @*-support will pull in the 
>  > > appropriate openoffice.org-langpack.
>  > 
>  > I'm sorry, the package I was trying to refer to is gcompris-sounds-pt.
>  > So this would be pulled, great!
>  
>  I think Fedora 9 has some trouble with @*-support. At least when I am
>  installing it I choose the Brazilian Portuguese Support but I don't
>  get openoffice.org-langpack-pt_BR installed neither hunspell-pt. 
There's a bug in yum in the F9 release (don't remember the bug #
off-hand and am currently reading mail off-line on the bus :-).  It's
fixed in the currently available update, but it didn't get caught in the
lead-up to release

Jeremy