I spent a little bit of time a few months ago looking at Kadischi and sent Darko a bit of feedback (also based on some mail from him on what he saw the next steps as being). So, I figure it's time that I take that information and dump it for the wider audience now.
Most of the suggestions are from the standpoint of trying to minimize the delta needed for creating a live CD and using existing infrastructure as much as possible (even in cases where that requires extending the infrastructure for things to work more cleanly). In the longer term, they're the sorts of things that make it so that live CDs can be more prevalent in the Fedora space and require less special case work to maintain.
* The initrds currently being generated by Kadischi are from a one off script rather than utilizing mkinitrd. This means that you have to generate the initrd by hand afterwards instead of having the kernel post script do it for you. It also means that changes have to be tracked in the Kadischi version of the script. With the mkinitrd currently in rawhide, there is the ability to override commands from nash. Also, with the support for handling multiple initramfs's, a secondary initramfs can be created that just has the overriden commands. For ensuring that modules get included in the initrd, there is some support for overriding things that are detected via /etc/sysconfig/mkinitrd -- we probably want to make it so that anaconda ensures that /etc/sysconfig/mkinitrd is generated correctly so the first time an initrd is created, it's "right" * The ro root initscripts changes need to be integrated. But I think Bill is going to be actively working on this ;-) * There's been an ongoing concern that including support for every language Core supports on the live CD leads to a lot of space usage and wanting to strip down the content of /usr/share/locale. Instead of just nuking them in a post script, having a way to get anaconda to set % _install_langs isn't unreasonable, as long as it's not really being exposed in the UI of anaconda * What to do with firstboot? Do we want to show it at all, only do a subset of the config options? * How well does the X autoconfig work currently? I seem to remember it was working okay, so this might not be a huge concern
That's a start based on my hazy memory at this point. And I'm willing to help people with any of them, but I definitely don't have time to drive them forward at this point.
Jeremy
Jeremy Katz wrote:
I spent a little bit of time a few months ago looking at Kadischi and sent Darko a bit of feedback (also based on some mail from him on what he saw the next steps as being). So, I figure it's time that I take that information and dump it for the wider audience now.
Most of the suggestions are from the standpoint of trying to minimize the delta needed for creating a live CD and using existing infrastructure as much as possible (even in cases where that requires extending the infrastructure for things to work more cleanly). In the longer term, they're the sorts of things that make it so that live CDs can be more prevalent in the Fedora space and require less special case work to maintain.
- The initrds currently being generated by Kadischi are from a one off
script rather than utilizing mkinitrd. This means that you have to generate the initrd by hand afterwards instead of having the kernel post script do it for you. It also means that changes have to be tracked in the Kadischi version of the script. With the mkinitrd currently in rawhide, there is the ability to override commands from nash. Also, with the support for handling multiple initramfs's, a secondary initramfs can be created that just has the overriden commands. For ensuring that modules get included in the initrd, there is some support for overriding things that are detected via /etc/sysconfig/mkinitrd -- we probably want to make it so that anaconda ensures that /etc/sysconfig/mkinitrd is generated correctly so the first time an initrd is created, it's "right"
- The ro root initscripts changes need to be integrated. But I think
Bill is going to be actively working on this ;-)
Is this part of Stateless Linux?
- There's been an ongoing concern that including support for every
language Core supports on the live CD leads to a lot of space usage and wanting to strip down the content of /usr/share/locale. Instead of just nuking them in a post script, having a way to get anaconda to set % _install_langs isn't unreasonable, as long as it's not really being exposed in the UI of anaconda
- What to do with firstboot? Do we want to show it at all, only do a
subset of the config options?
Get rid of it and assume sane default and Fedora as a default user?
- How well does the X autoconfig work currently? I seem to remember it
was working okay, so this might not be a huge concern
Seems good. Low resolution in general but that might be safer.
All,
Looks like we're getting some critical mass here again. The list has been quite active, I know a couple of Red Hat engineers have approached me personally with their interest in contributing, and we've got lots and lots of community interest here.
What we don't yet have: * A set of "authoritative" Live CDs created by this project, which would be incredibly useful to lots and lots of people; * A set of priorities about what to fix, and how; * A roadmap for moving forward to FC5 and beyond.
Seems like maybe we've got enough people to start focusing on these issues again. Do folks agree? Is it worth getting together on IRC for an hour sometime to see if we can resuscitate this project and give it some badly-needed direction again?
--g
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vote +1 but i can only join in meetings in 2 weeks :( (exams)
Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote:
All,
Looks like we're getting some critical mass here again. The list has been quite active, I know a couple of Red Hat engineers have approached me personally with their interest in contributing, and we've got lots and lots of community interest here.
What we don't yet have:
- A set of "authoritative" Live CDs created by this project,
A few variants like desktop and server be nice.
which would be incredibly useful to lots and lots of people;
- A set of priorities about what to fix, and how;
- A roadmap for moving forward to FC5 and beyond.
I would like a hack to dump a live cd to hard disk even its not supported by the project. Performance was very poor when I tried a prerelease of BlagBlagBlag that used kadischi.
Seems like maybe we've got enough people to start focusing on these issues again. Do folks agree? Is it worth getting together on IRC for an hour sometime to see if we can resuscitate this project and give it some badly-needed direction again?
--g
Do it now in #fedora-livecd ?
Le vendredi 20 janvier 2006 à 02:39 +0530, Rahul Sundaram a écrit :
Looks like we're getting some critical mass here again. The list has been quite active, I know a couple of Red Hat engineers have approached me personally with their interest in contributing, and we've got lots and lots of community interest here.
What we don't yet have:
- A set of "authoritative" Live CDs created by this project,
Meaning? I did a minimal FC4 LiveCD second time around that is easy as long as you stick to Fedora packages. What is hard is moving away from the Fedora kernels. Everything else just works as long as you RTFM
A few variants like desktop and server be nice.
I have a live CD that has VDR and xine and make a great LivePVR but it is probably illegal in half the world dominated by the patent office...
I would like a hack to dump a live cd to hard disk even its not supported by the project. Performance was very poor when I tried a prerelease of BlagBlagBlag that used kadischi.
I could use that
Do it now in #fedora-livecd ?
I'm off to bed it is 23:00 and I have a life (beautiful at that =;-D)
Tony
tony wrote:
Meaning? I did a minimal FC4 LiveCD second time around that is easy as long as you stick to Fedora packages. What is hard is moving away from the Fedora kernels. Everything else just works as long as you RTFM
Tony
Any packages for Fedora will work if you use pkgorder and genhdlist, which are becoming obsolete by the new anaconda repodata and yum stuff. You can't just "add" a package to your repo directory and have it install, you need to use pkgorder and genhdlist.
I've made plenty of CDs with different kernels, packages, programs, whatever.
Le jeudi 19 janvier 2006 à 17:25 -0500, J. Hartline a écrit :
Any packages for Fedora will work if you use pkgorder and genhdlist, which are becoming obsolete by the new anaconda repodata and yum stuff. You can't just "add" a package to your repo directory and have it install, you need to use pkgorder and genhdlist.
I have taken that one step further and modified comps.xml
I've made plenty of CDs with different kernels, packages, programs, whatever.
I have had success with different packages and different kernels as long as they are FC kernels. Modified kernels run into the mkinitrd bug mentioned earlier
Tony
tony wrote:
I have had success with different packages and different kernels as long as they are FC kernels. Modified kernels run into the mkinitrd bug mentioned earlier
Tony
I don't actually recall a mkinitrd bug discussed, I think what Jeremy was saying about the initrd, is that it is done using a one-off script, e.g. it *may* in certain instances not work.
In any case, without any special configuration, I built a kernel today to see if I could replicate the problem, I could not. Here is all I've done, installed kadischi (CVS or RPM), patched anaconda, edited /etc/kadischi/build.conf to point to /tmp.
Copied all Fedora/RPMS and Fedora/base files to /pub/Fedora/{RPMS,base} from the FC4 DVD. mkdir /pub/backup && mv /pub/Fedora/RPMS/kernel* /pub/backup mv /pub/kernel* /pub/Fedora/RPMS genhdlist --productpath Fedora /pub pkgorder /pub i386 Fedora > /pub/Fedora/pkgorder.txt genhdlist --withnumbers --fileorder /pub/Fedora/pkgorder.txt --hdlist /pub/Fedora/base/hdlist --productpath Fedora /pub kadischi --graphical /pub /tmp/custom00.iso
I sit and watch, the kernel gets installed and we'll mount it via loopback to make sure nothing is playing tricks on us.. [root@localhost boot]# pwd /mnt/iso/boot [root@localhost boot]# ls -l vmlinuz* && ls -l initrd* -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1542110 Jan 20 21:19 vmlinuz-2.6.14-1.1656_FC4.root -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1006224 Jan 20 21:19 initrd-2.6.14-1.1656_FC4.root.img [root@localhost boot]#
All that is left to do is burn it. I don't know if custom CDs or user compiled kernels will be supported on this list if not, you are free to contact me outside of the list if you would like some suggestions.
I'd really like to see some sort of config menus pushed out by Fedora Core 5 landing date. Simple things like, NFS, LDAP, Gateway/DHCP srever, Services, runlevel and Desktop Environment would be nice to have for the end user to choose. Say, you install Gnome and KDE, or KDE and Fluxbox.
Le vendredi 20 janvier 2006 à 21:42 -0600, J. Hartline a écrit :
genhdlist --productpath Fedora /pub pkgorder /pub i386 Fedora > /pub/Fedora/pkgorder.txt genhdlist --withnumbers --fileorder /pub/Fedora/pkgorder.txt --hdlist /pub/Fedora/base/hdlist --productpath Fedora /pub kadischi --graphical /pub /tmp/custom00.iso
Hi,
You instructions require: export PYTHONPATH=/usr/lib/anaconda
then I run
/usr/lib/anaconda-runtime/genhdlist --productpath Fedora /media/FC4
OK that works then
/usr/lib/anaconda-runtime/pkgorder /media/FC4 i386 Fedora \
/media/FC4/Fedora/pkgorder.txt
Which gives:
--warning: LOOP: warning: removing initscripts-8.11.1-1.i386 "Requires: /sbin/nash" from tsort relations. warning: initscripts-8.11.1-1.i386 Requires: /sbin/nash warning: mkinitrd-4.2.15-1.i386 PreReq: dev warning: udev-058-1.0.FC4.1.i386 PreReq: hotplug warning: removing hotplug-2004_09_23-7.i386 "Requires: initscripts >= 8.11-1" from tsort relations. warning: hotplug-2004_09_23-7.i386 Requires: initscripts >= 8.11-1 warning: LOOP: warning: removing gnome-python2-gnomevfs-2.10.0-1.i386 "Requires: gnome-python2 = 2.10.0-1" from tsort relations. warning: gnome-python2-gnomevfs-2.10.0-1.i386 Requires: gnome-python2 = 2.10.0-1 warning: removing gnome-python2-2.10.0-1.i386 "Requires: gnome-python2-gnomevfs" from tsort relations. warning: gnome-python2-2.10.0-1.i386 Requires: gnome-python2-gnomevfs
Looks like I borked my repo doing yum updates?
Cheers
Tony
tony wrote:
Which gives:
--warning: LOOP: warning: removing initscripts-8.11.1-1.i386 "Requires: /sbin/nash" from tsort relations. warning: initscripts-8.11.1-1.i386 Requires: /sbin/nash warning: mkinitrd-4.2.15-1.i386 PreReq: dev warning: udev-058-1.0.FC4.1.i386 PreReq: hotplug warning: removing hotplug-2004_09_23-7.i386 "Requires: initscripts >= 8.11-1" from tsort relations. warning: hotplug-2004_09_23-7.i386 Requires: initscripts >= 8.11-1 warning: LOOP: warning: removing gnome-python2-gnomevfs-2.10.0-1.i386 "Requires: gnome-python2 = 2.10.0-1" from tsort relations. warning: gnome-python2-gnomevfs-2.10.0-1.i386 Requires: gnome-python2 = 2.10.0-1 warning: removing gnome-python2-2.10.0-1.i386 "Requires: gnome-python2-gnomevfs" from tsort relations. warning: gnome-python2-2.10.0-1.i386 Requires: gnome-python2-gnomevfs
Looks like I borked my repo doing yum updates?
Cheers
Tony
No. Just let it run, it will finish.
Le samedi 21 janvier 2006 à 04:06 -0600, J. Hartline a écrit :
No. Just let it run, it will finish.
OK thanks.
It built but I still have my kernel naming issue which does not concern this list - so I have no initrd in /boot...
Thanks so much for helping with the other pkgorder thing.
Tony
On Thu, 2006-01-19 at 23:01 +0100, tony wrote:
Le vendredi 20 janvier 2006 à 02:39 +0530, Rahul Sundaram a écrit :
Looks like we're getting some critical mass here again. The list has been quite active, I know a couple of Red Hat engineers have approached me personally with their interest in contributing, and we've got lots and lots of community interest here.
What we don't yet have:
- A set of "authoritative" Live CDs created by this project,
Meaning? I did a minimal FC4 LiveCD second time around that is easy as long as you stick to Fedora packages. What is hard is moving away from the Fedora kernels. Everything else just works as long as you RTFM
The meaning of "* A set of "authoritative" Live CDs created by this project" is ( my definition here!!) a set of ready to download, ready and working LiveCD's so that people may grab them and run them.
These CD's need to adequately demonstrate what Fedora Core is, since that is one of the most common uses of a LiveCD :).
Cheers, Michael
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
I would like a hack to dump a live cd to hard disk even its not supported by the project. Performance was very poor when I tried a prerelease of BlagBlagBlag that used kadischi.
You might try running prelink on the system dir before compression and ISO creation. Some folks believe this is a good idea.
On Thu, Jan 19, 2006 at 04:06:20PM -0500, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote:
All,
Looks like we're getting some critical mass here again. The list has been quite active, I know a couple of Red Hat engineers have approached me personally with their interest in contributing, and we've got lots and lots of community interest here.
What we don't yet have:
- A set of "authoritative" Live CDs created by this project, which would be incredibly useful to lots and lots of people;
- A set of priorities about what to fix, and how;
- A roadmap for moving forward to FC5 and beyond.
Seems like maybe we've got enough people to start focusing on these issues again. Do folks agree? Is it worth getting together on IRC for an hour sometime to see if we can resuscitate this project and give it some badly-needed direction again?
--g
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Sounds good to me. It seems there are some that just want an easy way to create a live Fedora CD/DVD for demo purposes and others that want a tool that can help them make a live Fedora-based CD/DVD.
We should find a way to collaborate until kadischi is stable enough so these things can start to happen, and we probably need to have some sort of meeting to determine how we can get that started.
I have no day or time preference (as long as it's a weekday...).
-andy
hi! thinks that an excellent idea. However, while focusing on issues related to kadischi istself, i think that we should also come up with a "workplan" to maintain the Kadischi wki accordingly(Im not saying that its not actually being done but ways could be found to improve it). Coming up with a Live Cd ready to be downloaded by users is a good thing but we should not forget that supporting user issues will come mainly from the wiki... and that mainly will determine the ease of use / popularity of Kadischi in the future..
Thierry
On 1/20/06, Greg DeKoenigsberg gdk@redhat.com wrote:
All,
Looks like we're getting some critical mass here again. The list has been quite active, I know a couple of Red Hat engineers have approached me personally with their interest in contributing, and we've got lots and lots of community interest here.
What we don't yet have:
- A set of "authoritative" Live CDs created by this project, which would be incredibly useful to lots and lots of people;
- A set of priorities about what to fix, and how;
- A roadmap for moving forward to FC5 and beyond.
Seems like maybe we've got enough people to start focusing on these issues again. Do folks agree? Is it worth getting together on IRC for an hour sometime to see if we can resuscitate this project and give it some badly-needed direction again?
--g
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On 1/20/06, Thierry Jules thierryjules@gmail.com wrote:
hi! thinks that an excellent idea. However, while focusing on issues related to kadischi istself, i think that we should also come up with a "workplan" to maintain the Kadischi wki accordingly(Im not saying that its not actually being done but ways could be found to improve it).
This might be done during meeting times :)
Coming up with a Live Cd ready to be downloaded by users is a good thing but we should not forget that supporting user issues will come mainly from the wiki... and that mainly will determine the ease of use / popularity of Kadischi in the future..
Is there someone who can link a "perfect" Fedora Live cd for download to the wiki ? By the word perfect I mean that the Live cd is based upon the principles of Fedora Project .
Chitlesh GOORAH wrote:
Is there someone who can link a "perfect" Fedora Live cd for download
to the wiki ? By the word perfect I mean that the Live cd is based upon the principles of Fedora Project .
-- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com
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I have offered to build one, all I need is a package list.
Hi, I'm working with a youth group that is very interested in using a LiveCD to show how Linux can be used...both in a computer lab setting and for kids to take home and try on their own systems. Do you suppose you could help me come up with a LiveCD based on a set of packages that would be appealing to kids? Thanks, Lucy in Docs
J. Hartline wrote:
Chitlesh GOORAH wrote:
Is there someone who can link a "perfect" Fedora Live cd for download
to the wiki ? By the word perfect I mean that the Live cd is based upon the principles of Fedora Project .
-- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com
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I have offered to build one, all I need is a package list.
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Quoting Lucy Ringland ringland@redhat.com:
I'm working with a youth group that is very interested in using a LiveCD to show how Linux can be used...both in a computer lab setting and for kids to take home and try on their own systems. Do you suppose you could help me come up with a LiveCD based on a set of packages that would be appealing to kids?
Depending on the ages of the kids in question, you might want to compare what you have in mind with what's offered by Edubuntu:
http://www.edubuntu.org/tour.html
(They might already have a LiveCD too -- though not Fedora :(
Cheers, Terry
In general:
I'd say that we would want to make sure that "official" Live CDs contain only packages from Core + Extras.
Therefore, if someone can get some kid-friendly packages into Extras, this should be fine.
--g
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On Mon, 23 Jan 2006, Lucy Ringland wrote:
Hi, I'm working with a youth group that is very interested in using a LiveCD to show how Linux can be used...both in a computer lab setting and for kids to take home and try on their own systems. Do you suppose you could help me come up with a LiveCD based on a set of packages that would be appealing to kids? Thanks, Lucy in Docs
J. Hartline wrote:
Chitlesh GOORAH wrote:
Is there someone who can link a "perfect" Fedora Live cd for download
to the wiki ? By the word perfect I mean that the Live cd is based upon the principles of Fedora Project .
-- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com
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I have offered to build one, all I need is a package list.
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For the lab, you'll want at least telnet & telnet server, gftp or ftp, ssh and sshd, an IRCd, MySQL*, Apache httpd, vsftpd, etc. Have them setup an internet based cluster, GFS, or FDS.
As far as edutorial applications are concerned you might check the kdeedu package. For stock FC games, check gnome-games package and kdegames package.
Lucy Ringland wrote:
Hi, I'm working with a youth group that is very interested in using a LiveCD to show how Linux can be used...both in a computer lab setting and for kids to take home and try on their own systems. Do you suppose you could help me come up with a LiveCD based on a set of packages that would be appealing to kids? Thanks, Lucy in Docs
2006/1/19, Greg DeKoenigsberg gdk@redhat.com:
- A set of "authoritative" Live CDs created by this project, which would be incredibly useful to lots and lots of people;
- A set of priorities about what to fix, and how;
I am planning for months now a multimedia DVD basing on Kadischi. I thought I would do it with GNOME only and in english. I am now thinking I would rather like to include best of freedesktop solutions and to start with english.
old homepage of project NINOG: http://www.netzpolitik.org:8080/wiki/index.php/NINOG
NINOG will try to combine free licensed multimedia (movies, music), patent free and freedesktop solutions (KDE, GNOME). It should be attractive for users. It should give them some food for their multimedia applications instead of forcing them to download realmedia, mp3, mpeg and other patented-infested technologies.
I think I will install an own wiki for it soon. Anybody out there who likes to join?
Thilo -- http://www.pfennigsolutions.de
The link http://www.netzpolitik.org:8080/wiki/index.php/NINOG leads to a german site isn't it?.. Could you just give a brief description of NINOG project coz i dont understand german...
Sounds interesting...
On 1/20/06, Thilo Pfennig tpfennig@gmail.com wrote:
2006/1/19, Greg DeKoenigsberg gdk@redhat.com:
- A set of "authoritative" Live CDs created by this project, which would be incredibly useful to lots and lots of people;
- A set of priorities about what to fix, and how;
I am planning for months now a multimedia DVD basing on Kadischi. I thought I would do it with GNOME only and in english. I am now thinking I would rather like to include best of freedesktop solutions and to start with english.
old homepage of project NINOG: http://www.netzpolitik.org:8080/wiki/index.php/NINOG
NINOG will try to combine free licensed multimedia (movies, music), patent free and freedesktop solutions (KDE, GNOME). It should be attractive for users. It should give them some food for their multimedia applications instead of forcing them to download realmedia, mp3, mpeg and other patented-infested technologies.
I think I will install an own wiki for it soon. Anybody out there who likes to join?
Thilo
http://www.pfennigsolutions.de
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2006/1/20, Thierry Jules thierryjules@gmail.com:
Well I had a small summary there in english:
# NINO will be a completely free (patents, licenses,...) Multimedia DVD # it shall show off GNOME and Creative Commons material. # it will be based on Fedora and use the future version of GNOME 2.14 # language will be german and maybe english. # work is still in progress. expects to be ready sometime this year
The idea was to give the user a nice user experience. Live Cds mostly are short on space and do not give a lot. Gnome Live CD has some GNOME specs as PDF (wow, users love this). If the user tries to open multimedia from the internet because he does not get his food on CD he will experience that Linux can not play multimedia, because it does not play the mp3s and realaudio.
This DVD should make a user "full". It also should make him interested in more. I like the creative commons movies. On A DVD there is also not unlimited space but we can do "something".
I would suggest to base this DVD on the official Fedora-Live-CD and then make corrections for what we think should be added or deleted.
On the applications side my vision is to show off some applications. This means that we always also should give a tutorial. We could also provide some videos made with the help from the other new exciting Fedora project "Istanbul" (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScreenCasting). Certainbly people should be given tutorials for: GIMP, Inkscape.
Can we also provide preinstalled plugins? Then why not providing Firefox with some nice extensions although this is not official. But this DVD should not be officlal - I'd love it to be expermental.
OTOH I would like to put some nice music on it with free licenses. We could put this all ready made in a playlist. The user should feel welcomed and have some things to explore. Personally I always found LiveCds often boring (Knoppix etc.). You don't really experience the multimedia side of Linux, so people get the impression that Linux is about partitioning,etc.
I also would suggest to have only one version of the DVD for each language, so that people do not have to select a language. Maybe we can let them choose the keyboard if they hit a special key at boot time?
Question? Should I open a Wiki of my own or would this project fit into the fedora project wiki workspace?
Greetings, Thilo -- http://vinci.wordpress.com
Le jeudi 19 janvier 2006 à 12:15 -0500, Jeremy Katz a écrit :
I spent a little bit of time a few months ago looking at Kadischi and sent Darko a bit of feedback (also based on some mail from him on what he saw the next steps as being). So, I figure it's time that I take that information and dump it for the wider audience now.
- The initrds currently being generated by Kadischi are from a one off
script rather than utilizing mkinitrd. This means that you have to generate the initrd by hand afterwards instead of having the kernel post script do it for you. It also means that changes have to be tracked in the Kadischi version of the script. With the mkinitrd currently in rawhide, there is the ability to override commands from nash. Also, with the support for handling multiple initramfs's, a secondary initramfs can be created that just has the overriden commands. For ensuring that modules get included in the initrd, there is some support for overriding things that are detected via /etc/sysconfig/mkinitrd -- we probably want to make it so that anaconda ensures that /etc/sysconfig/mkinitrd is generated correctly so the first time an initrd is created, it's "right"
Now I understand... Jeez all those hours wasted looking at this from all angles...
Jeremy you got anything else you must tell us? =:-D
The language stuff I just nuke in my comps.xml, my live CD must be French and English period.
What about ssh keygen? How does one get around that? I am thinking along the lines of someone wanting to ssh from work into a VDR based PVR, his mom has to reboot the computer and it takes ages to generate keys...
Tony
tony wrote:
Now I understand... Jeez all those hours wasted looking at this from all angles...
Jeremy you got anything else you must tell us? =:-D
Tony
I sent an email to the list, it may not have reached it I'm not sure. It showed how to install a custom kernel in the LiveCD.. did you not get it?
Le jeudi 19 janvier 2006 à 17:22 -0500, J. Hartline a écrit :
I sent an email to the list, it may not have reached it I'm not sure. It showed how to install a custom kernel in the LiveCD.. did you not get it?
No I didn't see that one. It would be printed and on my desk if I had =:-D
Tony
tony wrote:
Le jeudi 19 janvier 2006 à 17:22 -0500, J. Hartline a écrit :
I sent an email to the list, it may not have reached it I'm not sure. It showed how to install a custom kernel in the LiveCD.. did you not get it?
No I didn't see that one. It would be printed and on my desk if I had =:-D
Tony
See the archive. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-livecd-list/2006-January/msg00074.htm...
Le jeudi 19 janvier 2006 à 17:22 -0500, J. Hartline a écrit :
I sent an email to the list, it may not have reached it I'm not sure. It showed how to install a custom kernel in the LiveCD.. did you not get it?
Searching through the archives - your message from the 16th
I'm going to have to guess you may be running Kadischi/Anaconda in a VMware VM, perhaps?
Nope running in a xterm "su -" the rpm build environnement is in /home/tony and the repo in /media/FC4
Tony
On Thu, 2006-01-19 at 22:54 +0100, tony wrote:
Le jeudi 19 janvier 2006 à 12:15 -0500, Jeremy Katz a écrit :
I spent a little bit of time a few months ago looking at Kadischi and sent Darko a bit of feedback (also based on some mail from him on what he saw the next steps as being). So, I figure it's time that I take that information and dump it for the wider audience now.
- The initrds currently being generated by Kadischi are from a one off
script rather than utilizing mkinitrd. This means that you have to generate the initrd by hand afterwards instead of having the kernel post script do it for you. It also means that changes have to be tracked in the Kadischi version of the script. With the mkinitrd currently in rawhide, there is the ability to override commands from nash. Also, with the support for handling multiple initramfs's, a secondary initramfs can be created that just has the overriden commands. For ensuring that modules get included in the initrd, there is some support for overriding things that are detected via /etc/sysconfig/mkinitrd -- we probably want to make it so that anaconda ensures that /etc/sysconfig/mkinitrd is generated correctly so the first time an initrd is created, it's "right"
Now I understand... Jeez all those hours wasted looking at this from all angles...
Jeremy you got anything else you must tell us? =:-D
Heh, that was what was on the top of my head. Just was traveling all week (my first batch of mail was the first time I was in the airport, this was from my flight back :-)
The language stuff I just nuke in my comps.xml, my live CD must be French and English period.
That doesn't ensure that the mo files from /usr/share/locale aren't installed
What about ssh keygen? How does one get around that? I am thinking along the lines of someone wanting to ssh from work into a VDR based PVR, his mom has to reboot the computer and it takes ages to generate keys...
I think you actually really do want to generate the keys everytime. Otherwise, it's confusing when you move a live cd from one machine to another. Possibly having a way to keep various state items (including this) on something like a USB key or a partition makes sense, but you almost certainly don't want it on the CD.
Jeremy
On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 11:22:32AM -0500, Jeremy Katz wrote:
I think you actually really do want to generate the keys everytime. Otherwise, it's confusing when you move a live cd from one machine to another. Possibly having a way to keep various state items (including this) on something like a USB key or a partition makes sense, but you almost certainly don't want it on the CD.
Jeremy
Using a USB flash drive for storing configuration or other data would be an interesting. Maybe even allow support for a user's home directory to be on the flash drive? Of course the possibilities are pretty endless....
On Fri, 2006-01-20 at 12:01 -0500, Andy Gospodarek wrote:
On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 11:22:32AM -0500, Jeremy Katz wrote:
I think you actually really do want to generate the keys everytime. Otherwise, it's confusing when you move a live cd from one machine to another. Possibly having a way to keep various state items (including this) on something like a USB key or a partition makes sense, but you almost certainly don't want it on the CD.
Using a USB flash drive for storing configuration or other data would be an interesting. Maybe even allow support for a user's home directory to be on the flash drive? Of course the possibilities are pretty endless....
Yeah, I think it's a further out "make things even nicer" item as opposed to something that needs to be done right away
Jeremy
On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 12:12:11PM -0500, Jeremy Katz wrote:
On Fri, 2006-01-20 at 12:01 -0500, Andy Gospodarek wrote:
On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 11:22:32AM -0500, Jeremy Katz wrote:
I think you actually really do want to generate the keys everytime. Otherwise, it's confusing when you move a live cd from one machine to another. Possibly having a way to keep various state items (including this) on something like a USB key or a partition makes sense, but you almost certainly don't want it on the CD.
Using a USB flash drive for storing configuration or other data would be an interesting. Maybe even allow support for a user's home directory to be on the flash drive? Of course the possibilities are pretty endless....
Yeah, I think it's a further out "make things even nicer" item as opposed to something that needs to be done right away
Jeremy
I agree 100%
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