Run with it!

[Elliot Lee]

Hey all! 

I get the impression that everyone is waiting for a kadischi maintainer to
show up out of thin air. Unless I find a magic lamp really soon, this
won't happen. :)

So, if anyone would like commit access to kadischi CVS, and has a patch 
that they're already trying to get in, please e-mail me and we'll work on 
getting commit access for more of you.

Best,
-- Elliot
Red Hat Summit Nashville (May 30 - June 2, 2006)
http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/

[Chitlesh GOORAH]

>  I get the impression that everyone is waiting for a kadischi
> maintainer to
>  show up out of thin air. Unless I find a magic lamp really soon, this
>  won't happen. :) 
Meanwhile that everyone is waiting for the newt maintainer, Im willing
to help with the documentation of the Live CD project. Because to be
honest, the actual docs are bearly enough.

Is it really a liveCD project? what is the real name of this project?

>  So, if anyone would like commit access to kadischi CVS, and has a
> patch
>  that they're already trying to get in, please e-mail me and we'll work on
>  getting commit access for more of you. 
May I have the access though knowing the fact that my hostel has
blocked cvs access ? But I do have cvs at my gf's place.

Ive started with the kadischifaq in the wiki. When my exams will be
over, I might be committed for the project.

Is it also possible for to receive emails after any modification made
on livecd related page
such as this one:
---------------
Thank you for your changes. Your attention to detail is appreciated.
Status of sending notification mails:
[en] PatrickBarnes: Mail sent OK
Clear message
---------------

My initial/first goal that I want to achieve is to create a OOo
Impress presentation about the live cd project so that even the Fedora
Ambassadors might use during their conferences.

Chitlesh GOORAH
--
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[Elliot Lee]

On Tue, 10 Jan 2006, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote:

>  Meanwhile that everyone is waiting for the newt maintainer, Im
> willing
>  to help with the documentation of the Live CD project. Because to be
>  honest, the actual docs are bearly enough. 
Cool :-)

>  Is it really a liveCD project? what is the real name of this project?
kadischi is the name of the project to write the livecd generator.

>  Is it also possible for to receive emails after any modification
> made
>  on livecd related page
>  such as this one:
>  ---------------
>  Thank you for your changes. Your attention to detail is appreciated.
>  Status of sending notification mails:
>  [en] PatrickBarnes: Mail sent OK
>  Clear message
>  --------------- 
I believe you can do this as long as you have a wiki account. Click around 
on the icons a bit ;)

-- Elliot
Red Hat Summit Nashville (May 30 - June 2, 2006)
http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/

[Chitlesh GOORAH]

>  > Is it really a liveCD project? what is the real name of this
> project?
>  kadischi is the name of the project to write the livecd generator. 
#001
Among the various Fedora projects ( extras, Marketing ..)  from
people.redhat.com/sundaram/Fedora.sxi there isn't yet a "Kadischi
Project".

Our first step should first identify "officially" the "Kadischi
Project" as one of Fedora Projects.

#002
Secondly, in the wiki we have :
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Kadischi ( & co )
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LiveCD
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DerivedDistributions/LiveCDs

Since these come from the "Kadischi Project", I propose that all the
above pages be the children of a "KadischiProject" (homepage). Just to
get things centralized. If somehow these mentioned wikipages are
related to other projects, please inform me.

If there's no objection about it, Ill modify it as stated above.

#003
In the wiki, the "KadischiProject" does not have a category. Can we
have one for it? how?

#004
Though we don't have a maintainer, are we going to have a weekly
meeting tomorrow as stated in the wiki at 13 GMT ?

>  I believe you can do this as long as you have a wiki account. Click
> around
>  on the icons a bit ;) 
I guess its the "subscribe" :)

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[Patrick W. Barnes]

Chitlesh GOORAH wrote:
>  > > Is it really a liveCD project? what is the real name of
> this project?
>  > kadischi is the name of the project to write the livecd generator.
>
>  #001
>  Among the various Fedora projects ( extras, Marketing ..)  from
>  people.redhat.com/sundaram/Fedora.sxi there isn't yet a "Kadischi
>  Project".
>
>  Our first step should first identify "officially" the "Kadischi
>  Project" as one of Fedora Projects.
>
>  #002
>  Secondly, in the wiki we have :
>  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Kadischi ( & co )
>  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LiveCD
>     
These two can be combined.  Kadischi should be the primary page, and
LiveCD can be a redirect to it.  Get the content all on Kadischi and let
me know if you need help setting up the redirect.
>  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DerivedDistributions/LiveCDs
>     
This really isn't related to Kadischi, and should be left as it is.
>  Since these come from the "Kadischi Project", I propose
> that all the
>  above pages be the children of a "KadischiProject" (homepage). Just to
>  get things centralized. If somehow these mentioned wikipages are
>  related to other projects, please inform me.
>
>  If there's no objection about it, Ill modify it as stated above.
>
>  #003
>  In the wiki, the "KadischiProject" does not have a category. Can we
>  have one for it? how?
>
>     
You do not need "KadischiProject" as a category, but rather
"CategoryKadischi".  I'll try to have that category created for you by
the time you read this message.  :-)
>  #004
>  Though we don't have a maintainer, are we going to have a weekly
>  meeting tomorrow as stated in the wiki at 13 GMT ?
>
>  > I believe you can do this as long as you have a wiki account. Click around
>  > on the icons a bit ;)
>  I guess its the "subscribe" :)
>
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>  https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-livecd-list
>
>     
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[J. Hartline]

I currently have two patches that will patch clean against anaconda-10.91.0
anaconda.patch and flags.py.patch. What I suggest is patches be 
organized and preserved for now.
e.g. Keep the Fedora Core 4 patch files, along with the newer 
anaconda-10.91.0 patch files.

If something changes, so will kadischi.
I would like CVS access, I am registered at fedoraproject.org as a member.
What information do you need to grant CVS access?

Elliot Lee wrote:

> Hey all! 
>
> I get the impression that everyone is waiting for a kadischi maintainer to
> show up out of thin air. Unless I find a magic lamp really soon, this
> won't happen. :)
>
> So, if anyone would like commit access to kadischi CVS, and has a patch 
> that they're already trying to get in, please e-mail me and we'll work on 
> getting commit access for more of you.
>
> Best,
> -- Elliot
> Red Hat Summit Nashville (May 30 - June 2, 2006)
> http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/
>   
>

[Chitlesh GOORAH]

>  These two can be combined.  Kadischi should be the primary page, and
>  LiveCD can be a redirect to it.  Get the content all on Kadischi and let
>  me know if you need help setting up the redirect.
>  > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DerivedDistributions/LiveCDs 
Oops ive moved it to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Kadischi/DerivedDistributions
Should i revert back?

>  You do not need "KadischiProject" as a category, but
> rather
>  "CategoryKadischi".  I'll try to have that category created for you by
>  the time you read this message.  :-) 
thanks Patrick

>  I currently have two patches that will patch clean against
> anaconda-10.91.0
>  anaconda.patch and flags.py.patch. What I suggest is patches be
>  organized and preserved for now.
>  e.g. Keep the Fedora Core 4 patch files, along with the newer
>  anaconda-10.91.0 patch files. 
J.Hartline can you create a page under Kadischi/Development and post
your work along with a small describtion/howto?

I have modified the http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Kadischi/ so that it
looks good and friendly.
Ive even created http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Kadischi/Contributors
where Contributors can add themselves. The idea behind this is to get
:
1. an overview who is working on what
2. helpful to the next maintainer
3. coordinate ourselves meanwhile there's no maintainers.

Chitlesh GOORAH
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[Rahul Sundaram]

Chitlesh GOORAH wrote:

> >These two can be combined.  Kadischi should be the primary page,
> and
> >LiveCD can be a redirect to it.  Get the content all on Kadischi and let
> >me know if you need help setting up the redirect.
> >    
> >
> >>http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DerivedDistributions/LiveCDs
> >>      
> >>
>
> Oops ive moved it to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Kadischi/DerivedDistributions
> Should i revert back?
>  
Yes. You should revert back. There are many derived distributions which 
don't use Kadischi. If there are many that use this tool, then having a 
separate entry in the distribution notes would be better than 
maintaining parallel lists. While renaming pages, kindly coordinate with 
others who work on the wiki so that your changes are validated and 
referenced properly.

See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiEditing for the general guidelines.

-- 
Rahul 

Fedora Bug Triaging - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers

[Chitlesh GOORAH]

>  Yes. You should revert back. There are many derived distributions
> which
>  don't use Kadischi. If there are many that use this tool, then having a
>  separate entry in the distribution notes would be better than
>  maintaining parallel lists. 
done.

>  While renaming pages, kindly coordinate with
>  others who work on the wiki so that your changes are validated and
>  referenced properly.
>
>  See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiEditing for the general guidelines.
>  
I thought i did it from the previous mails
>  If there's no objection about it, Ill modify it as stated above.
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[Greg DeKoenigsberg]

A good note.  My responses inline.

On Wed, 11 Jan 2006, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote:

>  #001
>  Among the various Fedora projects ( extras, Marketing ..)  from
>  people.redhat.com/sundaram/Fedora.sxi there isn't yet a "Kadischi
>  Project".
>  
>  Our first step should first identify "officially" the "Kadischi
>  Project" as one of Fedora Projects. 
I've been hoping to do this, but there needs to be a sufficient critical 
mass around this project to make it official -- and one developer does not 
a project make.  To be a *real project*, we need a *real lead*, someone 
who is recruiting, coding, bragging about how cool the project is, leading 
a weekly meeting... I was hoping Darko would be that guy, but he hasn't 
had time.  And I know I don't.

A real project needs a real lead.

>  #002
>  Secondly, in the wiki we have :
>  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Kadischi ( & co )
>  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LiveCD
>  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DerivedDistributions/LiveCDs
>  
>  Since these come from the "Kadischi Project", I propose that all the
>  above pages be the children of a "KadischiProject" (homepage). Just to
>  get things centralized. If somehow these mentioned wikipages are
>  related to other projects, please inform me.
>  
>  If there's no objection about it, Ill modify it as stated above. 
I think we should be careful of this.  Kadischi is a good code name, but 
people need to know what a project does, if possible.  This is all about 
"a Fedora-based Live CD."  Why shouldn't we call it the Fedora Live CD 
project?
 
>  #003
>  In the wiki, the "KadischiProject" does not have a category. Can we
>  have one for it? how?
>  
>  #004
>  Though we don't have a maintainer, are we going to have a weekly
>  meeting tomorrow as stated in the wiki at 13 GMT ? 
Depends on who will show, to be honest.  We held the meeting for weeks, 
and it was always Darko and I.

But I welcome this discussion.  If a strong lead wants to step up and can:

* Run the meeting;
* Maintain the wiki;
* Do some coding;

...then I can attend the meetings and start to chase resources from my 
end.

--g

---------------------------------------------------------------
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Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors
---------------------------------------------------------------

[J. Hartline]

Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote:

> I've been hoping to do this, but there needs to be a sufficient
> critical 
> mass around this project to make it official -- and one developer does not 
> a project make.  To be a *real project*, we need a *real lead*, someone 
> who is recruiting, coding, bragging about how cool the project is, leading 
> a weekly meeting... I was hoping Darko would be that guy, but he hasn't 
> had time.  And I know I don't.
>
>   
>  
Well, so far we have Anaconda-10.91.0 patches that patch clean, I have 
submitted these to Jeremy KLatz.
Apparently Darko did not have time.
We have Chitlesh modifying the wiki here and ther.
We have a good looking .spec file that builds kadischi from CVS.

As time progresses I think someone will definitely be interested in this 
Kadischi and a Fedora Core Official LiveCD.

> I think we should be careful of this.  Kadischi is a good code name,
> but 
> people need to know what a project does, if possible.  This is all about 
> "a Fedora-based Live CD."  Why shouldn't we call it the Fedora Live CD 
> project?
>   
>  
Just a thought here.. Kadischi is the LiveCD tool.
Fedora Core LiveCD is a LiveCD.
I believe Kadischi and Fedora LiveCD just go hand in hand.

Correct me if I'm wrong, is Kadischi is or is not Darko, or someone's 
last name?
The wiki should be edited to reflect this if so, the wiki says it was 
just made up or something.

J. Hartline

[Chitlesh GOORAH]

>  I think we should be careful of this.  Kadischi is a good code name,
> but
>  people need to know what a project does, if possible.  This is all about
>  "a Fedora-based Live CD."  Why shouldn't we call it the Fedora Live CD
>  project? 
Hello Greg, lately I was working hard to give Kadischi another look
(on the wiki). Ok i agree that the Kadischi Project isn't mature
enough.

As you can see in the wiki page:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Kadischi
the title is "Kadischi : The Fedora Live CD Project" (proposed by Hartline)

>  But I welcome this discussion.  If a strong lead wants to step up and
> can:
>
>  * Run the meeting;
>  * Maintain the wiki;
>  * Do some coding; 
I can do the first too. Once my exams over, Ill be working on the some
coding (light).
Have a look at the wiki page of kadischi.

Ive even started a screenshot guide usage of kadischi here:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ChitleshGoorah/KadischiScreenshots
but will only be completed in a week or two.

--
http://clunixchit.blogspot.com

[Chitlesh GOORAH]

>  Well, so far we have Anaconda-10.91.0 patches that patch clean, I
> have
>  submitted these to Jeremy KLatz.
>  Apparently Darko did not have time. 
create a page Kadischi/Development and add them meanwhile.
I prefer everything centralized in the wiki page Kadischi

>  We have Chitlesh modifying the wiki here and ther. 
its me :)

>  We have a good looking .spec file that builds kadischi from CVS.
add it too to the Kadischi/Development

>  Just a thought here.. Kadischi is the LiveCD tool.
>  Fedora Core LiveCD is a LiveCD.
>  I believe Kadischi and Fedora LiveCD just go hand in hand. 
J.Hartline +1

>  Correct me if I'm wrong, is Kadischi is or is not Darko, or
> someone's
>  last name?
>  The wiki should be edited to reflect this if so, the wiki says it was
>  just made up or something. 
in a Kadischi/History page?


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[J. Hartline]

I like the screenshot(s) idea, however I personally think the terminal 
shot is unneccessary.
The screenshot on the front of the Kadischi wiki shoudn't be replaced.
If users cannot follow some sort of standard directions they shouldn't 
be building thier own LiveCD
they should just get Knoppix 8-)

Chitlesh GOORAH wrote:

> >* Run the meeting;
> >* Maintain the wiki;
> >* Do some coding;
> >    
> >
>
> I can do the first too. Once my exams over, Ill be working on the some
> coding (light).
> Have a look at the wiki page of kadischi.
>
> Ive even started a screenshot guide usage of kadischi here:
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ChitleshGoorah/KadischiScreenshots
> but will only be completed in a week or two.
>
>   
>

[J. Hartline]

Ahhhh no. I meant on the KadischiFAQ.
It is to my understanding Kadischi isn't an Arabic man you only seen 
twice in your life ;-)
it is someone's last name. The KadischiFAQ states someone just made this 
name up.
If they did.. they got one heck of a sandy imagination!

I think the FAQ as all pages on fedoraproject.org and with the Kadischi 
should be correct.
Hopefully we get some information like this confirmed so it can or can't 
be changed.

J. Hartline
Chitlesh GOORAH wrote:

> >Correct me if I'm wrong, is Kadischi is or is not Darko, or
> someone's
> >last name?
> >The wiki should be edited to reflect this if so, the wiki says it was
> >just made up or something.
> >    
> >
>
> in a Kadischi/History page?
>
>
>   
>

[Chitlesh GOORAH]

On 1/13/06, J. Hartline <jasperhartline(a)adelphia.net&gt; wrote:
>  I like the screenshot(s) idea, however I personally think the
> terminal
>  shot is unneccessary. 
The terminal shot shows how it was executed. afterwards it's anaconda.

>  The screenshot on the front of the Kadischi wiki shoudn't be
> replaced. 
True.
The screenshot idea is only meant for the KadischiDOC. Because I
intend to create an example. Maybe Ill named it "Fedora Live CD in 20
minutes". Yes it took me 20 mins for one iso.

The screenshot on the Kadischi Frontpage is the live cd itself. I also
agree for not changing it. By the way, we need more screenshots of the
livecd with famous applications like firefox,thunderbird or openoffice

>  If users cannot follow some sort of standard directions they
> shouldn't
>  be building thier own LiveCD
>  they should just get Knoppix 8-) 
nope, they should get one that we created for fedora.

--
http://clunixchit.blogspot.com

[J. Hartline]

Chitlesh GOORAH wrote:

> The terminal shot shows how it was executed. afterwards it's
> anaconda.
>   
>  
I don't like it, I think the existing documentation says it all.

> True.
> The screenshot idea is only meant for the KadischiDOC. Because I
> intend to create an example. Maybe Ill named it "Fedora Live CD in 20
> minutes". Yes it took me 20 mins for one iso.
>   
>  
Yeah, I've created about 50 of them to disk. It is a good utility and 
doesn't break with a local HDD repository.
Later I'll be looking more into instdata.py, image.py, anaconda.py and 
kadischi.py for locating the
problem with a locally mounted DVD as repository some have been 
experiencing.
I still think the termina shot is unneccessary.


J. Hartline

[Chitlesh GOORAH]

>  I still think the termina shot is unneccessary. 
I will remove it then :)


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[Elliot Lee]

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006, J. Hartline wrote:

>  It is to my understanding Kadischi isn't an Arabic man you only
> seen 
>  twice in your life ;-)
>  it is someone's last name. The KadischiFAQ states someone just made this 
>  name up.
>  If they did.. they got one heck of a sandy imagination! 
Kadischi is just a random word I made up for Darko that included the
string 'disc'.  It's not /intentionally/ someone's last name, although if
I have offended a Mr. Kadischi, I apologize. :)

Best,
-- Elliot
Red Hat Summit Nashville (May 30 - June 2, 2006)
http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/

[J. Hartline]

Excellent. I had come across something on Kadischi a while ago, and for 
some reason I had the impression it was someones name.
Thank you for clarifications.

J. Hartline

Elliot Lee wrote:

> Kadischi is just a random word I made up for Darko that included the
> string 'disc'.  It's not /intentionally/ someone's last name, although if
> I have offended a Mr. Kadischi, I apologize. :)
>
> Best,
> -- Elliot
>   
>

[Elliot Lee]

On Wed, 11 Jan 2006, J. Hartline wrote:

>  I currently have two patches that will patch clean against
> anaconda-10.91.0
>  anaconda.patch and flags.py.patch. What I suggest is patches be 
>  organized and preserved for now.
>  e.g. Keep the Fedora Core 4 patch files, along with the newer 
>  anaconda-10.91.0 patch files.
>  
>  If something changes, so will kadischi.
>  I would like CVS access, I am registered at fedoraproject.org as a member.
>  What information do you need to grant CVS access? 
What I'd suggest doing is going to the Fedora Account System
(https://admin.fedora.redhat.com/accounts/), creating an account, and
applying for membership in the 'cvsdevel' group. I'll approve it and
you'll have the access you need to do the hacking on kadischi itself (but
not anaconda).

Best,
-- Elliot
Red Hat Summit Nashville (May 30 - June 2, 2006)
http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/

[J. Hartline]

Elliot Lee wrote:

> What I'd suggest doing is going to the Fedora Account System
> (https://admin.fedora.redhat.com/accounts/), creating an account, and
> applying for membership in the 'cvsdevel' group. I'll approve it and
> you'll have the access you need to do the hacking on kadischi itself (but
> not anaconda).
>
> Best,
> -- Elliot
>   
>  
I've sent all the information requested, it is all correct to my knowledge.
I also understand Anaconda already has an established development group.

Thanks.
J. Hartline

[Patrick W. Barnes]

Chitlesh GOORAH wrote:
>  Is it also possible for to receive emails after any modification made
>  on livecd related page
>
>     
Visit http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UserPreferences and look towards the
bottom of the page.  Find the "Subscribed wiki pages" box and enter on a
line by itself:

Kadischi.*

After that point, you will get update notifications for all changes to
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Kadischi and its sub-pages.

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