FYI- no fedora-logos behaviour

[Jane Dogalt]

For anyone interested-

I just tried doing an rpm -e --nodeps fedora-logos to a fresh system, to see
what would happen.

1) grub handled it very gracefully

2) rhgb handled it very gracefully

3) gdm handled it well, but not perfectly.  I.e. threw up a dialog about the
missing theme, and then after clicking OK, went to it's default theme.  Pretty
good though.

4) /usr/share/backgrounds/images/default.png is the 1600x1200 default gnome
fedora logo background, which is not owned by fedora-logos*.rpm

5) fedora main menu button is also not apparently owned by fedora-logos*.rpm

I'm guessing 4&5 are 'bugs'.  And easily enough replaceable.  Likewise
I'm sure
3 is pretty trivial to fix as well.

I imagine it's far more challenging to make a fedora derivative distribution
that includes the anaconda installer, than it is to make a derivative livecd
which uses the installer during the derivation process, but not
post-distribution.

Basically what I'm saying is that this bodes very well for all the
livecd-generator output redistribution issues, which are apparently irrelevent
if you do an rpm -e --nodeps fedora-logos*.rpm to your system image before
distributing it.

-jdog


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[Bill Nottingham]

Jane Dogalt (jdogalt(a)yahoo.com) said: 
>  4) /usr/share/backgrounds/images/default.png is the 1600x1200 default
> gnome
>  fedora logo background, which is not owned by fedora-logos*.rpm
>  
>  5) fedora main menu button is also not apparently owned by fedora-logos*.rpm
>  
>  I'm guessing 4&5 are 'bugs'. 
Yes, please file these, if you could.

Bill

[Chitlesh GOORAH]

On 4/28/06, Bill Nottingham <notting(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  Jane Dogalt (jdogalt(a)yahoo.com) said:
>  > 4) /usr/share/backgrounds/images/default.png is the 1600x1200 default gnome
>  > fedora logo background, which is not owned by fedora-logos*.rpm
>  >
>  > 5) fedora main menu button is also not apparently owned by fedora-logos*.rpm
>  >
>  > I'm guessing 4&5 are 'bugs'.
>
>  Yes, please file these, if you could.
>
>  Bill 
I doubt that these are among fedora-logos.XX.rpm

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[Patrick W. Barnes]

On Friday 28 April 2006 11:33, "Chitlesh GOORAH"
<chitlesh(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; 
wrote:
>  On 4/28/06, Bill Nottingham <notting(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  > Jane Dogalt (jdogalt(a)yahoo.com) said:
>  > > 4) /usr/share/backgrounds/images/default.png is the 1600x1200 default
>  > > gnome fedora logo background, which is not owned by fedora-logos*.rpm
>  > >
>  > > 5) fedora main menu button is also not apparently owned by
>  > > fedora-logos*.rpm
>  > >
>  > > I'm guessing 4&5 are 'bugs'.
>  >
>  > Yes, please file these, if you could.
>  >
>  > Bill
>
>  I doubt that these are among fedora-logos.XX.rpm
>
>  --
>  http://clunixchit.blogspot.com
>  
IIRC, they're part of redhat-artwork.

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[Jane Dogalt]

--- "Patrick W. Barnes" <nman64(a)n-man.com&gt; wrote:

>  On Friday 28 April 2006 11:33, "Chitlesh GOORAH"
> <chitlesh(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  
>  wrote:
>  > On 4/28/06, Bill Nottingham <notting(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  > > Jane Dogalt (jdogalt(a)yahoo.com) said:
>  > > > 4) /usr/share/backgrounds/images/default.png is the 1600x1200 default
>  > > > gnome fedora logo background, which is not owned by fedora-logos*.rpm
>  > > >
>  > > > 5) fedora main menu button is also not apparently owned by
>  > > > fedora-logos*.rpm
>  > > >
>  > > > I'm guessing 4&5 are 'bugs'.
>  > >
>  > > Yes, please file these, if you could.
>  > >
>  > > Bill
>  >
>  > I doubt that these are among fedora-logos.XX.rpm
>  >
>  > --
>  > http://clunixchit.blogspot.com
>  >
>  
>  IIRC, they're part of redhat-artwork. 
#4 at least-

rpm -qf /usr/share/backgrounds/images/default.png
desktop-backgrounds-basic-2.0-31

#5 does appear (/usr/share/icons/Bluecurve/96x96/apps/gnome-main-menu.png?) to
be owned by fedora-logos, I'm guessing it got copied to a homedir during login
(before I rpm -e'd fedora-logos)

Speaking of redhat-artwork.  I've heard several mentions on this list that
fedora-logos is the only issue with redistribution.  Seems odd no one has ever
mentioned redhat-artwork.

Back in the day when fedora was supposedly a distinct community entity, one
could take the reasonable implication that if fedora could use redhat-artwork,
any other community project could as well.

I notice that the centos strategy appears to be keeping redhat-artwork as an
rpm, but (I haven't inspected that closely) scraping some red hats out of it.

I'm curious- All the bluecurve stuff in redhat-artwork-  Does redhat stake
claim to that?  I guess I need to actually install centos and see specifically
what they do, as they seem to be the standard reference for how to deal with
making a derivative distro and respecting the copyright/trademark guidelines of
the "upstream vendor".

-jdog




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[Bill Nottingham]

Jane Dogalt (jdogalt(a)yahoo.com) said: 
>  Back in the day when fedora was supposedly a distinct community
> entity, one
>  could take the reasonable implication that if fedora could use redhat-artwork,
>  any other community project could as well.
>  
>  I notice that the centos strategy appears to be keeping redhat-artwork as an
>  rpm, but (I haven't inspected that closely) scraping some red hats out of it. 
The formerly-on-the-main-menu red fedora hat was not a trademarked image.

>  I'm curious- All the bluecurve stuff in redhat-artwork-  Does
> redhat stake
>  claim to that?  I guess I need to actually install centos and see specifically
>  what they do, as they seem to be the standard reference for how to deal with
>  making a derivative distro and respecting the copyright/trademark guidelines of
>  the "upstream vendor". 
Check the license on the package, but I'm fairly sure all the bluecurve
icons are GPL. (and the Fedora(tm) background needs moved to fedora-logos)

Bill