Re: Insight for post-GA
by Drak
>
> On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 04:15:23PM -0400, David Nalley wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Paul W. Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> One very important consideration going forward is, how many
> *self-service* resources exist for people to learn and grow skills on
> the platform?
All,
I'm the project lead of Zikula and I have been following this thread with
interest because for many months I have silently worried about these topics
and that the development and launch of Insight has, from my point of view,
taken much longer than it really needs, especially because, in reality,
Insight doesn't even demand anything particularly demanding from a Zikula
platform perspective that might require more in-depth customization. Of
course, I am acutely aware of the problems we all face in open-source, in
that it's all effectively a hobby and people have to earn the bread and
butter so individual time is limited. I can also understand all of your
concerns about 'leaning on the Zikula people too much' etc, but this has
given me exactly the right opportunity to speak.
Firstly, I am passionate about Zikula and I am lucky that I am able to work
full time on the Zikula project without distractions from a 'have to do real
job'. From my own perspective, Fedora's adoption of Zikula is a very
positive thing for our project - one that is worth nurturing and caring for.
Secondly, the Zikula project already has an active policy to care for
things directly related to and that benefit Zikula. Not only do we care for
the development of the Zikula core, but we indeed develop and care for a
number of modules too, actively as a policy. After the next Zikula dot
release, we will also move much more actively into documentation and
training to raise awareness. I tell you all this because I want to so how
active the Zikula project is with related projects. The pagemaster module
that is being used for Insight is also being officially developed by the
Zikula Foundation.
>From my perspective, it would make perfect sense for some of our people to
join the Fedora project on a more official basis with the objectives of, a)
bringing Insight to fruition, b) to be available for maintenance, and c)
training some of you in the ways of Zikula over time. In doing this, you
also do not have to feel you are taking advantage of us because we would be
real Fedora volunteers passionate and interested in helping the Fedora
project. I believe this will help Fedora in the long term and strategically
for us, it is a good investment of our time and resources.
I hope I have not said anything wrong or offended anyone - I am just trying
to find a practical solution with mutual benefit.
Regards,
Drak
Project leader for Zikula.
13 years, 11 months
Insight meeting notes 2010-04-29 UTC 1800
by Paul W. Frields
Minutes:
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-mktg/2010-04-29/fedora_insight.20...
Minutes (text):
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-mktg/2010-04-29/fedora_insight.20...
Log:
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-mktg/2010-04-29/fedora_insight.20...
* * *
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#fedora-mktg: Fedora Insight
============================
Meeting started by stickster at 18:05:44 UTC. The full logs are
available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-mktg/2010-04-29/fedora_insight.20...
.
Meeting summary
---------------
* Roll call! (stickster, 18:05:54)
* Agenda (5 min) (stickster, 18:07:30)
* LINK:
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/logistics/2010-April/000516.html
(rbergeron, 18:09:20)
* Open floor (stickster, 18:09:41)
* Drak assures us participation is good for Zikula too (stickster,
18:10:10)
* AGREED: We should take Drak up on his offer, set up our weekly
Insight meeting at a time where he can participate, and then work
toward a June 15th milestone. At that point, anyone should be able
to type in "fedoraproject.org/insight" into a web browser and see
the latest FWN issue and get to any archives we have available at
that point. (stickster, 18:39:35)
* AGREED: 30 days following we have a way to (1) promote a Planet
story to a separate Insight feed without having to copy/paste or
retype it, and (2) both this content stream and the FWN can be
visible/RSS at once (stickster, 18:51:14)
* ACTION: stickster to make sure Drak gets a reply and sees minutes
(stickster, 19:01:17)
Meeting ended at 19:03:04 UTC.
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Insight for post-GA
by Paul W. Frields
OK, referencing our meeting minutes here:
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-mktg/2010-04-22/fedora_insight.20...
Insight is not ready as of our go/no-go meeting this afternoon, and
based on our self-imposed production schedule, we are going to target
post-GA for this work.
However, I am still concerned about an issue that's plagued us since
we started, which is that as a group, it doesn't seem like we're
developing our skills at *solving* problems on the Zikula platform.
We've been extremely fortunate to have some wonderful people from the
Zikula community who are spending time helping us fix problems when we
run into them. To what extent is that collaboration helping them?
Are we going to approach a point where they are expending much more
effort than what they're getting in return? What does that mean for
sustainability?
These are hard questions. I'm not proposing that we simply not work
on Insight. It's a worthwhile effort many people have said they want,
and would increase the visibility and depth of content we could offer
a lot of different types of users and the public at large, in a way
our wiki can't.
We also don't have to halt work on the remaining tickets by any means.
Are there some alternatives we should pursue at the same time?
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14 years
[Fedora Insight] Auth issue
by Mateo TibaPalacios
Hi!
Just want to say that last night I had connection problems and was unable to
debug.
I will work on it this weekend to get closed #2107 and #2111,
and as I like CSS, will put a hand on it too,
but I need to know how to contribute without interfering gwerra's work.
Greetings!
Mateo
Mis principios... son mis fines
14 years
Fedora Insight meeting minutes 2010-04-22
by Paul W. Frields
============================
#fedora-mktg: Fedora Insight
============================
Meeting started by stickster at 18:01:12 UTC. The full logs are
available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-mktg/2010-04-22/fedora_insight.20...
.
Meeting summary
---------------
* Roll call (stickster, 18:01:30)
* LINK:
https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/query?status=new&status=as...
(mchua, 18:07:04)
* ticket 2105 now fixed, but bugfix needs to be released in
fedora-zikula module. (stickster, 18:08:42)
* Blocker bugs (stickster, 18:09:10)
* see above for a few tickets (stickster, 18:09:45)
* LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#Agenda
(rbergeron, 18:09:55)
* gwerra said he can make changes by 4/23, so... soft blocker until
tomorrow (stickster, 18:11:37)
* Go/no-go (stickster, 18:19:45)
* LINK:
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-mktg/2010-04-15/fedora_insight.20...
(stickster, 18:21:30)
* Thank you to Zikula devs for hard work on platform as we ran into
problems (stickster, 18:30:37)
* stickster feels we are not ready to roll this to staging or
production as the system stands *right now* (stickster, 18:31:00)
* rbergeron agrees (rbergeron, 18:31:11)
* rbergeron agrees (rbergeron, 18:31:24)
* AGREED: Fedora Insight is not ready for staging and will stand down
while we develop a new plan (stickster, 18:32:42)
* What next (stickster, 18:34:05)
* AGREED: Use the logistics list next week to brainstorm about how we
can surmount some of the difficulties we've been having (stickster,
18:39:55)
Meeting ended at 18:43:10 UTC.
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Re: Fwd: zikula-module-advanced_polls Help
by Frank Chiulli
Mel,
I'm back from vacation. Any chance I can get some help on this issue?
Frank
PS. I've joined the Logistics mailing list and cc'ed the list.
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Frank Chiulli <frankc.fedora(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Mel,
> I'm starting a two-week vacation on Saturday. I'll catch up with you
> when I get back.
>
> Frank
>
> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Mel Chua <mel(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>> Not yet, Frank. The first FI/zikula meeting is going to be in
>> #fedora-meeting in exactly 2 hours and 3 minutes, so if you have a moment to
>> pop in there and ask, we might be able to tackle it there.
>>
>> If not, feel free to reping the logistics list - I think enough time has
>> passed now that we might want to bump this convo thread, especially since we
>> need to pick up with the momentum again.
>>
>> --Mel
>>
>> On 03/16/2010 11:41 AM, Frank Chiulli wrote:
>>>
>>> Mel,
>>> Any news on this?
>>>
>>> Frank
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Frank Chiulli<frankc.fedora(a)gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Mel,
>>>> I have not filed a ticket yet. However, I can certainly do that.
>>>> Just point me in the right direction.
>>>>
>>>> Access to pt16 (publictest16.fedoraproject.org) is via the Fedora
>>>> Account System (FAS). If you have an FAS account, I believe that you
>>>> can log onto pt16. I can certainly give you the admin password to
>>>> zikula on that host if you can login. Let me know.
>>>>
>>>> I have not setup zikula on my home machine. I'll try that and let you
>>>> know the results. I believe the OSes are different if that matters.
>>>> I'm running Fedora 12 while I believe pt16 is EPEL.
>>>>
>>>> Frank
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 1:05 AM, Mel Chua<mel(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Frank - the logistics list is where we're coordinating a lot of the
>>>>> zikula
>>>>> work right now (since it's so cross-team), so I'm copying them to see if
>>>>> there's anything we can do to take a look and help out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Logistics folks: Frank's been working on getting the Advanced Polls
>>>>> module
>>>>> working, but has run into problems - see below. Any thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>> Frank: Could you point us towards a ticket (if you've filed one
>>>>> somewhere)
>>>>> or a way to get account info for pt16 so we can duplicate what you're
>>>>> getting? (Does this happen for other zikula installs, or just the pt16
>>>>> one -
>>>>> what happens if you set zikula up on localhost?)
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> --Mel
>>>>>
>>>>> On 02/21/2010 07:06 PM, Frank Chiulli wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>> From: Eric "Sparks" Christensen<sparks(a)fedoraproject.org>
>>>>>> Date: Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 2:41 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: zikula-module-advanced_polls Help
>>>>>> To: frankc.fedora(a)gmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 02/03/2010 11:24 PM, Frank Chiulli wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Eric,
>>>>>>> I'm contacting you because you own zikula-module-advanced_polls.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm working on Ticket #116. I've installed the zikula and
>>>>>>> zikula-module-advanced_polls RPMs on pt16. I'm having a problem with
>>>>>>> the Advanced Polls. I was hoping that you might have a suggestion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Under Advanced Polls, click on the 'New Poll' tab.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Clicking on New Poll brings up a Create Poll screen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I filled out the fields and hit 'Create Poll'. A new page comes up:
>>>>>>> Page not found
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We're sorry. The page you requested,
>>>>>>> /zikula/index.php?module=Advanced%20Polls&type=admin&func=create,
>>>>>>> doesn't exist on "Fedora Test Site for Polls".
>>>>>>> Search
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can also search this site to find what you are looking for.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Additional technical information
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * In Advanced Polls module, create function returned.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Back
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I clicked on 'Back'. The page said 'Poll Created' at top. If I click
>>>>>>> on the 'View Polls' tab, the poll that I just created shows up. If I
>>>>>>> click on 'Advanced Polls' on the right, a new page displays. If I
>>>>>>> click on the new poll, I get a page with the title and
>>>>>>> description. However there are no options. Nor was I ever asked to
>>>>>>> enter any options. If I click on the Vote button, I get the
>>>>>>> following:
>>>>>>> Error! Could not do what you wanted. Please check your input.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can edit the poll and add the options. I voted.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any help would be greatly appreciated. BTW I'm on the West Coast.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Frank
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Frank,
>>>>>> Sorry for the delay. I don't have Zikula setup right now so I can't
>>>>>> really help you out. Get with mchua and see if she can help you out as
>>>>>> she is really using Zikula.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - --Eric
>>>>>> - --
>>>>>> - --Eric
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>>>>>> Mel,
>>>>>> Can you help?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>
14 years
Sunday's Fedora Insight / zikula sprint - meeting logs
by Robyn Bergeron
Minutes at: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-mktg/2010-04-18/fedora-mktg.2010-...
Full logs at: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-mktg/2010-04-18/fedora-mktg.2010-...
====================
#fedora-mktg Meeting
====================
Meeting started by gwerra at 15:37:49 UTC. The full logs are available
at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-mktg/2010-04-18/fedora-mktg.2010-...
Meeting summary
---------------
* LINK:
http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/index.php?module=Users&func=r...
(rbergeron, 15:42:33)
* unregistered users cannot add comments -- they are asked to
register/log in to do so. (stickster, 15:44:34)
* LINK:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight_Workflow#In_the_Future
(stickster, 15:47:56)
* LINK:
https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2104#preview
(stickster, 16:39:45)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2105
(stickster, 16:42:40)
* LINK:
https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2106#preview
(stickster, 17:01:09)
* LINK:
https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2106#preview
(gwerra, 17:01:57)
* LINK: http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula (rbergeron,
17:52:22)
* LINK: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/user/new (rbergeron,
17:54:58)
* LINK: http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/ (rbergeron,
18:29:43)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2107 <--
listed on agenda too (stickster, 18:35:19)
* LINK:
http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/index.php?module=Profile&func...
(stickster, 19:21:23)
* LINK:
http://community.zikula.org/index.php?module=Wiki&tag=TranslationIndex
(drak, 19:26:09)
* LINK:
http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/index.php?module=Profile&func...
<-- hmm, still not giving me joy (stickster, 19:27:41)
* LINK:
http://code.zikula.org/profile/browser/tags/Profile-1.5.2/locale/en/LC_ME...
(drak, 19:39:47)
* LINK: http://fpaste.org/jFVe/ (stickster, 19:52:37)
* LINK: http://code.zikula.org/core/ticket/1977 (drak, 21:25:17)
* zikula style needs are in a ticket, and on agenda page. (rbergeron,
21:36:14)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2109
(rbergeron, 21:36:22)
* zikula testing needs are on agenda page, and also on the wiki.
(rbergeron, 21:36:37)
* LINK: #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight_Testing
(rbergeron, 21:36:55)
Meeting ended at 21:37:07 UTC.
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Fedora Insight / zikula assistance needed
by Robyn Bergeron
Hi Drak,
We talked on irc the other day (I'm rbergeron) and you mentioned you
could send someone our way to help if we needed someone.
Well - we do :)
Our current list of issues follows below.
We are meeting today for the next few hours from the time of this mail
on #fedora-mktg on irc.freenode.net - if someone can log in and give
us a hand, that would be awesome.
Additionally - if it is in the next day or so - looking for any of the
following nicks on irc and talking to us will probably find someone
who can round a group up or at least point whoever has come to rescue
us in the right direction: rbergeron, stickster, pcalarco, hiemanshu,
gwerra, ke4qqq.
Also, the helper can post to logistics(a)lists.fedoraproject.org and we
can coordinate a time when we can all meet. We are hoping to get
Fedora Insight to staging by 4/24 and officially launched on 4/27, so
any help would be much appreciated, and the sooner the better :)
Thanks!!
-Robyn
https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2103 - New
published story on FI does not show current date
Created new "General news" pubtype story, and published. (Title can be
seen as "General news story test1" at
http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/ .) Created and published
story on April 17, but date shows up on main site as April 04.
https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2104 - Logging
in to Insight produces error message but no ill effects
Logging in to the Zikula system produces this banner: "Error! The
action you wanted to perform was not successful for some reason, maybe
because of a problem with what you input. Please check and try again."
However, no ill effects seem to happen. This needs to be corrected to
keep people from thinking something is actually wrong.
https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2105 - Fedora
Insight is giving all new users Administrators access
Any newly created Zikula account is getting Administrators access.
User creates fakeFAS account on pt3, logs into Zikula, and new account
in Zikula has Administrators group membership.
14 years
