The original due date for the finished www.fpo mockups is this Friday.
I'm on a business trip this week and it's quite clear to me now I just
won't be able to make the deadline. :( Would it be okay if I tried for
next Friday, Oct. 2? It should still leave 2 weeks for HTML/CSS on those
pages, and the spins mocks have been done for a week so it shouldn't
hold up Hiemanshu & co. since they still have those to work on.
For reference our schedule is:
* DONE: #Requirements gathering
* DONE: #First design mockups
* DONE Aug 21 - Aug 28 : gather feedback, determine metrics,
usability testing for spins.fp.o (mizmo)
* DONE Aug 21 - Sep 04 : gather feedback, determine metrics,
usability testing for get.fp.o (mizmo)
* DONE Aug 28 - Sep 20 : Final design mockups for spins.fp.o (mizmo)
* Sep 04 - Sep 27 : Final design mockups for get.fp.o (mizmo)
* Sep 20 - Oct 20: convert spins.fp.o and get.fp.o to html/css
* Oct 20 : get spins.fp.o and get.fp.o onto infrastructure (ricky)
(schedule from https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Website_redesign_2009)
We originally planned to launch Fedora Insight on September 29 (right
before infrastructure freeze), but I think we'll be in a much better
position to get a stable platform up and tested, with a contribution
workflow we're all happy with, if we push the launch date out until
right after the freeze instead.
Therefore, our new launch target is Oct 14 (when the freeze lifts), and
our revised schedule is on
I'd like everyone to be happy with what we're putting out there, instead
of feeling panicked and scrambling to rush things in before the freeze
hits - sanity is good. You'll see me chugging away on FI stuff over the
weekend and as next week gets underway - please join the fun if you can. ;)
*...and concerns, questions, comments, etc totally welcome, as always.
I'm at work so I have to reply on my mobile. These are libraries used literally every time Zikula is run, and they dont just disappear so I can only assume they were accidentally deleted or otherwise broken by someone.
From: Máirín Duffy <duffy(a)fedoraproject.org>
Sent: 22 September 2009 15:36
Subject: zikula broken
Zikula has been down for at least the past 15 hours or so. It doesn't
Does anybody have any idea what happened?
logistics mailing list
Can anyone from the websites team give any ETA's on when the mockups will
be converted to usable websites?
On Fri, 18 Sep 2009, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> I just finished the set of mockups for spins.fpo. The original deadline was
> today so yay for making deadlines. :)
> They are available here:
> Some caveats:
> - I did a KDE-specific banner graphic for the KDE pages. I can do the same for
> other desktop environment spins that have distinctive upstream logo marks.
> There is a generic solid banner design presented in the mockups as well to
> serve as the banner for the non-DE spins.
> - The text in the home and about screens for the KDE spin details is pretty
> much filler text. I am hoping that individual spin maintainers can help
> develop this content when the site is built.
> - I am not 100% which spins are going to be available for F12. Some of the
> ones in the mockup don't exist yet (e.g. Art Studio). Is a definitive list
> available anywhere right now?
> - It appears that previous version of spins are not available for all spins
> except for KDE and Desktop. In some cases, I've found F10 ISOs for selected
> spins (I believe FEL and one other). The previous KDE spins in particular
> appear to be split between archive.fpo and the redhat.com mirror, although
> only f7, f8, f10, and f11 were available - f9 nowhere to be found. This is a
> bit of a strange state of affairs so I'm wondering if it's just better to not
> mention archived versions at all.
> - the Spins Community page is going to rely on content that for the most part
> has not yet been developed. There *is* actually an interview with Chitlesh on
> the Fedora wiki but I'm not aware of any other content available that we could
> use. We may need to hold on this area of the site until content is developed.
> - The 'featured spin' widget in the right sidebar will need some kind of
> script to run it; it's intended to rotate through the spins.
> - Spin-specific documentation seems scattered, and it's confusing to find
> content on using spins vs. creating them. It's also hard because sometimes
> they are referred to as live media, live cds, spins, or remixes. I poured
> through any documents I could find using those terms and tried to merge them
> into one spin-users guide for the spin support page.
> - The about spins page content may be full of crack rock. Actually, pretty
> much all of the content is going to need a thorough review. :-/
> Lemme know what you think!
> fedora-advisory-board mailing list
I just finished the set of mockups for spins.fpo. The original deadline
was today so yay for making deadlines. :)
They are available here:
- I did a KDE-specific banner graphic for the KDE pages. I can do the
same for other desktop environment spins that have distinctive upstream
logo marks. There is a generic solid banner design presented in the
mockups as well to serve as the banner for the non-DE spins.
- The text in the home and about screens for the KDE spin details is
pretty much filler text. I am hoping that individual spin maintainers
can help develop this content when the site is built.
- I am not 100% which spins are going to be available for F12. Some of
the ones in the mockup don't exist yet (e.g. Art Studio). Is a
definitive list available anywhere right now?
- It appears that previous version of spins are not available for all
spins except for KDE and Desktop. In some cases, I've found F10 ISOs for
selected spins (I believe FEL and one other). The previous KDE spins in
particular appear to be split between archive.fpo and the redhat.com
mirror, although only f7, f8, f10, and f11 were available - f9 nowhere
to be found. This is a bit of a strange state of affairs so I'm
wondering if it's just better to not mention archived versions at all.
- the Spins Community page is going to rely on content that for the most
part has not yet been developed. There *is* actually an interview with
Chitlesh on the Fedora wiki but I'm not aware of any other content
available that we could use. We may need to hold on this area of the
site until content is developed.
- The 'featured spin' widget in the right sidebar will need some kind of
script to run it; it's intended to rotate through the spins.
- Spin-specific documentation seems scattered, and it's confusing to
find content on using spins vs. creating them. It's also hard because
sometimes they are referred to as live media, live cds, spins, or
remixes. I poured through any documents I could find using those terms
and tried to merge them into one spin-users guide for the spin support page.
- The about spins page content may be full of crack rock. Actually,
pretty much all of the content is going to need a thorough review. :-/
Lemme know what you think!
For Fedora insight, we've got a "move stuff to staging" deadline of
September 20 (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#Schedule),
which is this Sunday. So I want to make sure we all know where we stand...
Mo, Simon, and I agreed to list the remaining FI platform (read:
non-content, non-workflow - this includes the infra/skin/design)
blockers in order to try to minimize bottlenecks. We're hoping this will
allow other people to take some of the load off our plate (as some
people have already started doing - thank you for stepping in with
module packaging, Toshio!)
Here's my first pass at it, also reflected in reflected in
Mo and Simon will chime in shortly with additions/modifications to the
list. If anyone else knows something that's missing, please chime in -
or better yet, add a https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/newticket
with the Fedora Insight component. I'll make sure the tickets stay
up-to-date with any responses to this thread, but both emailing /and/
making a ticket makes my life easier. ;)
* Simon needs to walk a packager through packaging the filterutil module
and packaging an updated pagemaster module. Toshio has taken a first
pass at it, so Simon needs to figure out whether this clears the blocker
(and if not, specify what is required to clear the blocker). The
packages will also need to be reviewed and deployed.
* Mo needs to finish v.1.0 development of the skin and create tickets
for any blockers that prevent her from doing so, so that others can
resolve them (for instance, "I can't find the tag that does $foo," or
"$module doesn't work.") This skin will also need to be packaged,
reviewed, and deployed. https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/27
* Mel needs to make sure that everything is set with Infra (mmcgrath)
for deployment; I think this means a draft SOP listing the packages to
be installed (which implies all packages are available), usage of that
SOP to get stuff onto staging, load-testing on staging, and then
movement to production. https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/28
* Mel needs to get zikula-module-EZComments reviewed and deployed on
* Simon needs to fix the bug that pops up when the Feeds module is
installed; it claims to be a PHP segfault (...key word here is "claims"
- this isn't actually possible). This involves manually importing SQL,
and doing so in a way that's reproducible (I'm guessing via the
package's spec file?) https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/38
That is all I can think of. Mo? Simon? Others? What non-content,
non-workflow things do we need to make this a go for a September 28 launch?
Thanks to everybody for your *tremendous* help so far in getting this up
and running - Simon, Mo, Eric, Rahul, David, Paul, Bob, Robyn, Mike,
Toshio, Keiran, and Ricky, to name a *very* partial list (if I've missed
you on this list, *please* let me know because I want to make sure
everyone knows who's responsible for our awesome launch in 2 weeks. ;)
With the Zikula skinning work proving to be a lot more challenging than
I could have ever anticipated, it looks like I am going to need extra
time on the www.fpo and spins.fpo design work.
The original dates we had discussed:
∘ final design mockups for spins.fpo due sep 20
∘ final design mockups for get.fpo due sep 27
To me, it looks like this is just not going to be remotely possible
without multiple all-nighters. This is also complicated by the fact I
will be on a business trip Sep 21-25 and it's likely (but not
impossible) I won't have much spare time during that week.
Is there any way we can push back dates on these items at all? Or should
I drop Zikula skinning (the skin was due Sep 15, due to a number of
technical blockers that date was missed) and move on to the websites
mockups right now or should I power through the Zikula skinning and hope
for more time on the fpo mockups?
I'm really sorry this is so short-notice. I started work on the Zikula
skin a couple of weeks early to try to avoid this situation but
apparently that wasn't enough. :(
This email is a little triumph celebration, as well as a request for a
07:01:17 < mchua> WOO!
07:01:22 < mchua>
07:02:07 < mchua> (1) I made an RPM... for both f11 and el5, with mock
(which I previously had never used before)
07:02:18 < mchua> (2) And it works on a test instance. Bwahahaha!
07:02:45 < mchua> now if I can only get someone to take my review
request at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=523343
07:03:33 < mchua> then https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/36
will be closed
(#36 is a blocker to FI deployment, because comments are a Really
Important Functionality to have.)
Thanks to ricky, mmcgrath, mdomsch, tmz, and everyone else who helped me
stumble through this "packaging" thing for the second time. Now to go
through review for the first time...