Zikula sandboxin' to-do list [was: Re: Meeting minutes 2010-01-19]

[Mel Chua]

> Which brings me to my next topic, sorry I didn't get a chance to ask
> in the meeting itself.
>
> [...snip...]
> > Insight  (mchua, 20:44:08)
> > mchua is behind - sandbox partially complete  (mchua, 20:44:35)
>
> If I'm someone who can set aside a few hours this weekend to move
> Insight forward, what can I do?

Continue what Max started last night, which is:

0. Get access to the sysadmin-test FAS group if you don't already have 
it (you'll need it to work on this)

1. Take the current sandbox instance on pt1,
http://publictest1.fedoraproject.org/zikula/index.php, ssh into pt1, and....

2. Work through 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_set_up_a_Zikula_sandbox, starting 
with step 5, editing the instructions as needed along the way, and 
noting any bugs/glitches/questions found. See 
https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=How_to_set_up_a_Zikula_sandbox&a... 
for what Max did.

3. Holler to list when you stop, with where you ended so the next person 
can take it up from there.
> Is the page at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula still correct?

It is likely not entirely up-to-date. [[Zikula]] and [[Fedora Insight]] 
could both likely use refreshing, but we don't have a specific list of 
things that need to be refreshed right now, so if you're working through 
this and find something that needs (or could potentially need) updating, 
holler, and eventually the momentum from the individual patches will 
snowball into somebody (probably me) doing a Giant Update of the page.
> Should I be bringing this discussion to the logistics@ list?

Just did. :)

--Mel

[Paul W. Frields]

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 01:51:18PM -0500, Mel Chua wrote:
> > Which brings me to my next topic, sorry I didn't get a chance to ask
> > in the meeting itself.
> >
> > [...snip...]
> > > Insight  (mchua, 20:44:08)
> > > mchua is behind - sandbox partially complete  (mchua, 20:44:35)
> >
> > If I'm someone who can set aside a few hours this weekend to move
> > Insight forward, what can I do?
>
> Continue what Max started last night, which is:
> Get access to the sysadmin-test FAS group if you don't already have
>
> it (you'll need it to work on this)

OK, I just applied to that group.
> Take the current sandbox instance on pt1,
>
> http://publictest1.fedoraproject.org/zikula/index.php, ssh into pt1, and....
> Work through
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_set_up_a_Zikula_sandbox, starting 
> with step 5, editing the instructions as needed along the way, and 
> noting any bugs/glitches/questions found. See 
> https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=How_to_set_up_a_Zikula_sandbox&a... 
> for what Max did.
> Holler to list when you stop, with where you ended so the next person
>
> can take it up from there.

Got it.
> > Is the page at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula still correct?
>
> It is likely not entirely up-to-date. [[Zikula]] and [[Fedora Insight]] 
> could both likely use refreshing, but we don't have a specific list of 
> things that need to be refreshed right now, so if you're working through 
> this and find something that needs (or could potentially need) updating, 
> holler, and eventually the momentum from the individual patches will 
> snowball into somebody (probably me) doing a Giant Update of the page.
> > Should I be bringing this discussion to the logistics@ list?
>
> Just did. :)

OK, I'll try to pitch in on the wiki as well, as time allows.

[Keiran Smith]

Paul W. Frields wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 01:51:18PM -0500, Mel Chua wrote:
> > > Which brings me to my next topic, sorry I didn't get a chance to ask
> > > in the meeting itself.
> > >
> > > [...snip...]
> > > > Insight  (mchua, 20:44:08)
> > > > mchua is behind - sandbox partially complete  (mchua, 20:44:35)
> > >
> > > If I'm someone who can set aside a few hours this weekend to move
> > > Insight forward, what can I do?
> >
> > Continue what Max started last night, which is:
> > Get access to the sysadmin-test FAS group if you don't already have
> >
> > it (you'll need it to work on this)
>
> OK, I just applied to that group.
> > Take the current sandbox instance on pt1,
> >
> > http://publictest1.fedoraproject.org/zikula/index.php, ssh into pt1, and....
> > Work through
> >
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_set_up_a_Zikula_sandbox, starting 
> > with step 5, editing the instructions as needed along the way, and 
> > noting any bugs/glitches/questions found. See 
> > https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=How_to_set_up_a_Zikula_sandbox&a... 
> > for what Max did.
> > Holler to list when you stop, with where you ended so the next person
> >
> > can take it up from there.
>
> Got it.
> > > Is the page at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula still correct?
> >
> > It is likely not entirely up-to-date. [[Zikula]] and [[Fedora Insight]] 
> > could both likely use refreshing, but we don't have a specific list of 
> > things that need to be refreshed right now, so if you're working through 
> > this and find something that needs (or could potentially need) updating, 
> > holler, and eventually the momentum from the individual patches will 
> > snowball into somebody (probably me) doing a Giant Update of the page.
> > > Should I be bringing this discussion to the logistics@ list?
> >
> > Just did. :)
>
> OK, I'll try to pitch in on the wiki as well, as time allows.

OK, I have setup zikula with FAS Auth, EZComments, The Fedora Theme*

* Slight issue with the theme not displaying correctly however.

Regards,
  Keiran Smith
  Fedora : BugZapper, Sysadmin-Test, Ambassador
  FSF : Associate
  http://keiran-smith.net

[Mel Chua]

> > Take the current sandbox instance on pt1,
> >
> > http://publictest1.fedoraproject.org/zikula/index.php, ssh into pt1, and....

Keiran (Affix) reminded me that I'd neglected to provide the *zikula* 
admin login details Max set up (thanks, Max!) - those are now on pt1, 
just run:

cat /root/zikula-details

and you'll have everything.

Thanks for the reminder, Keiran!

--Mel

[Mel Chua]

Thanks to Keiran, we have AuthFAS working from the sandbox instructions 
(which I've just done some cleanup on, 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_set_up_a_Zikula_sandbox#Install_AuthFA...).

http://publictest1.fedoraproject.org/zikula

I made a test account so that it's easier for folks to test if the 
sandbox works. Login details are in the same place as the zikula admin 
details for this sandbox, just run (as root, on publictest1):

cat /root/zikula-details

(you will need access to publictest1 ("pt1"), which you can get by being 
a member of the FAS group "sysadmin-test" - ask for a sponsor in 
#fedora-admin if you need this to work on FI.)

The next thing we need to do - which actually, I don't believe we have 
designed - is to figure out the schema we want for short URLs, and then 
make an .htaccess file to do it: 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_set_up_a_Zikula_sandbox#Short_URLs_Sys...

Any takers for designing a short URL system?

The other current question-mark is figuring out why the 
zikula-fedora-theme package doesn't appear to produce the desired 
result. I've written instructions on how to apply the theme at 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_set_up_a_Zikula_sandbox#Applying_the_F...; 
the instructions work and the theme applies, but the theme itself (as 
packaged) has a bug that makes text vertically overlap. Here's a 
picture: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Zikula-theme-bug.png

This appears to be a new bug, so I've filed it at 
https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/117 so it's findable in the 
queue of CSS/Design tickets (information at 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#Design, quicklink to 
queue: 
https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/query?status=new&status=assigned&am...).

Any CSS ninjas able to take a look at this?

--Mel

[Keiran Smith]

Mel Chua wrote:
> Thanks to Keiran, we have AuthFAS working from the sandbox instructions 
> (which I've just done some cleanup on, 
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_set_up_a_Zikula_sandbox#Install_AuthFA...).
>
> http://publictest1.fedoraproject.org/zikula
>
> I made a test account so that it's easier for folks to test if the 
> sandbox works. Login details are in the same place as the zikula admin 
> details for this sandbox, just run (as root, on publictest1):
>
> cat /root/zikula-details
>
> (you will need access to publictest1 ("pt1"), which you can get by being 
> a member of the FAS group "sysadmin-test" - ask for a sponsor in 
> #fedora-admin if you need this to work on FI.)
>
> The next thing we need to do - which actually, I don't believe we have 
> designed - is to figure out the schema we want for short URLs, and then 
> make an .htaccess file to do it: 
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_set_up_a_Zikula_sandbox#Short_URLs_Sys...
>
> Any takers for designing a short URL system?
>
> The other current question-mark is figuring out why the 
> zikula-fedora-theme package doesn't appear to produce the desired 
> result. I've written instructions on how to apply the theme at 
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_set_up_a_Zikula_sandbox#Applying_the_F...; 
> the instructions work and the theme applies, but the theme itself (as 
> packaged) has a bug that makes text vertically overlap. Here's a 
> picture: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Zikula-theme-bug.png
>
> This appears to be a new bug, so I've filed it at 
> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/117 so it's findable in the 
> queue of CSS/Design tickets (information at 
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#Design, quicklink to 
> queue: 
> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/query?status=new&status=assigned&am...).
>
> Any CSS ninjas able to take a look at this?
>
> --Mel
> _______________________________________________
> logistics mailing list
> [e-mail]
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/logistics

Hey Guys,
  I will work on a short URL system today. Maybe Something like 
/articles/<day>/<month>/<year>/<id>-<title> should be sufficient for SEO

Regards,
  Keiran Smith

[Karsten Wade]

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:16:27AM +0000, Keiran Smith wrote:
> I will work on a short URL system today. Maybe Something like 
> /articles/<day>/<month>/<year>/<id>-<title> should be sufficient for SEO

And good for us humans, too!  Thanks for that.

BTW, for collaboration on this stuff (such as if Keiran has questions
about the .htaccess file), are we using #fedora-mktg?

- Karsten (quaid)

[Mel Chua]

On 01/21/2010 11:35 AM, Karsten Wade wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:16:27AM +0000, Keiran Smith wrote:
> > I will work on a short URL system today. Maybe Something like
> > /articles/<day>/<month>/<year>/<id>-<title>  should be sufficient for SEO
>
> And good for us humans, too!  Thanks for that.
>
> BTW, for collaboration on this stuff (such as if Keiran has questions
> about the .htaccess file), are we using #fedora-mktg?

For strategic "let us figure out SEO-friendly URLs" stuff, #fedora-mktg 
seems like the right place to me, yes. Logistics remains the central 
focal point for all things zikula and should be copied on all updates, 
but we'll continue frequently swinging out to other groups/lists to ask 
for help and resources as we need them.

Marketing folks: for context on what we're talking about, see the 4th 
paragraph of 
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/logistics/2010-January/000327.html. 
Basically, Keiran is coming up with a short URL system for Fedora 
Insight that's going to be SEO-friendly; suggestions/feedback welcome in 
case folks have any thoughts as he goes along.

--Mel

[Paul W. Frields]

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Mel Chua  wrote:
> On 01/21/2010 11:35 AM, Karsten Wade wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:16:27AM +0000, Keiran Smith wrote:
> > > I will work on a short URL system today. Maybe Something like
> > > /articles/<day>/<month>/<year>/<id>-<title>  should be sufficient for SEO
> >
> > And good for us humans, too!  Thanks for that.
> >
> > BTW, for collaboration on this stuff (such as if Keiran has questions
> > about the .htaccess file), are we using #fedora-mktg?
>
> For strategic "let us figure out SEO-friendly URLs" stuff, #fedora-mktg
> seems like the right place to me, yes. Logistics remains the central
> focal point for all things zikula and should be copied on all updates,
> but we'll continue frequently swinging out to other groups/lists to ask
> for help and resources as we need them.
>
> Marketing folks: for context on what we're talking about, see the 4th
> paragraph of
> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/logistics/2010-January/000327.html.
> Basically, Keiran is coming up with a short URL system for Fedora
> Insight that's going to be SEO-friendly; suggestions/feedback welcome in
> case folks have any thoughts as he goes along.

I guess I'm still confused about what I can do to help at this point.
Should I be starting at a specific step in the process and running it?
Should I be worried about destroying someone else's work in progress?

Paul

[Mel Chua]

> I guess I'm still confused about what I can do to help at this point.

Three options:

Option 1: Design and implement a 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_set_up_a_Zikula_sandbox#Short_URLs_Sys....

Option 2: Make 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_set_up_a_Zikula_sandbox#Applying_the_F...
  actually do something useful (the instructions are correct, but the 
theme is broken, so following the correct instructions installs a broken 
theme). The tasks needed are listed at 
https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/query?status=new&status=assigned&am... 
and need to be attacked in one of two ways:
2a. If no patches to fix that bug exist, make a patch.
2b. If patches that fix that bug exist, get them into the 
fedora-insight-theme git repository (instructions here: 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#Design) and then into the 
zikula-fedora-theme package.

Option 3: Separate from the above two, the instruction set for importing 
the content db and configs from one zikula instance to another could use 
help: 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_set_up_a_Zikula_sandbox#To_take_a_publ... 
(I think Max's FIXME is pretty self-explanatory.)
> Should I be starting at a specific step in the process and running it?

See above.
> Should I be worried about destroying someone else's work in progress?

It should be the case that you should not have to worry about that. 
Theoretically, that's why we're all getting in the habit of 
hollering-out about our work on this mailing list. ;) Unless someone's 
specificically said, on the logistics list, "Hey, don't touch this, I'm 
doing X!" it *should* be fair game.

However. I don't think we've 100% set that expectation/gotten into that 
habit yet, so a little caution while we finish adjusting to "tell the 
logistics list what happened with zikula!" is probably a good idea. (For 
instance, asking Keiran Smith what he's up to with the URL rewriting 
section, along with a "and I'm going to try to work on it too" note.) 
But don't block on that worry right now, by any means.

--Mel

[David Nalley]

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> Three options:
>
> Option 1: Design and implement a
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_set_up_a_Zikula_sandbox#Short_URLs_Sys....

Hey guys:

I am not doing the work here so feel free to ignore me.
</disclaimer>
Have you discussed the .htaccess stuff with infra? We spent a lot of
time purging .htaccess files from zikula source.
Checking for .htaccess files can be a huge overhead (each directory
has to be parsed for an .htaccess to see if it applies to that
request). You can load them once by putting them in the zikula conf.d
file and turn off use of .htaccess altogether.

It could be that infra has to parse for .htaccess anyway, but our
conversation many months back led me to a contrary conclusion.

You often have to use .htaccess in shared hosting situations where you
don't have root access. However we do and it will reduce puppet
complexity as well I think.

This appears to be noted on the wiki page, so perhaps that is already
in your line of thinking, and my note is pointless, but just in case.

Again, I am not doing the work and understand that means I get no say
in how things are done, but figured I would offer the suggestion
anyway

[Craig Thomas]

On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 10:27 PM, Mel Chua  wrote:
> Option 2: Make
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_set_up_a_Zikula_sandbox#Applying_the_F...
>  actually do something useful (the instructions are correct,

In terms of the install instructions, I have tested the following:

[cwt@white11 ~]$ su -c"yum install zikula zikula-module* mysql-server"

It seems to not only replace steps 1-4 from the wiki:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_set_up_a_Zikula_sandbox#Package_instal...

but to be much simpler as well ( it gets all the same packages for me ).

Cheers,

--
Craig