[Insight] Yesterday meeting

[Peter Borsa]

Hi!

Well, yesterday, our meeting was cancelled/postponed or something like
that. That's why I want to ask what is the next step? I realized there
is a little problem with mediawiki_api module that's why I would work
on that.

María, Jared, Paul, Pascal, if you have an idea, task what I have to
do ASAP, feel free to tell me.
--
Peter Borsa
http://asrob.net
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[Paul W. Frields]

On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 09:14:06PM +0100, Peter Borsa wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Well, yesterday, our meeting was cancelled/postponed or something like
> that. That's why I want to ask what is the next step? I realized there
> is a little problem with mediawiki_api module that's why I would work
> on that.
>
> María, Jared, Paul, Pascal, if you have an idea, task what I have to
> do ASAP, feel free to tell me.

Sorry I missed the meeting.  Last week I was at the Red Hat offices in
Westford, and I finally took a day off last Friday.  That meant I
spent the first part of this week trying in vain to catch up!

It was great seeing you guys at FUDCon in Blacksburg.  As I mentioned
there, I'd really like -- and I think the Insight project would
benefit -- from some more help organizing the meetings and tasks.  One
of the topics we discussed was making sure we have a clear plan for
what to do next, and who's going to be driving the project.

I know from recent experience that I can't realistically drive this
project, although I can definitely participate here and there.  So I'm
hoping one of the folks in the room will agree to do that for at least
the next few months.

However, it's not like we have nothing to work from.  We can start by
reviewing notes from Blacksburg.  I've turned them into a wiki page
here:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Insight_notes_from_FUDCon_Blacksburg_2012-01-...

This is an opportune time for someone to look at those notes, and
organize them into an updated project plan.  To make that easier, I've
put the link to the notes on our main Insight page, in the grid for
"project planning":

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Insight#Project_details

Who is willing to take this on?

[María Leandro]

I think we can do it all Paul, let's just figure it out where to start. :)

Reading logs from our meeting I tried to manage a list of things that
calendar should have. This pretty much resume what everyone want/need (I
think) and simplify a bit the reading of the huge log.

Pls, tell me what you think. If this is correct, I will start writing a
post/mail letting people know that we need Drupal-ninjas (ninjas are
design... so maybe cowboys?) to help us with specific modules that we can
easily integrate without need to work everyone at the same time.

Please, let me know if I miss anything important.

*
General Page:*
Log in/out calendar view
Filters based on location
Filters based on team (or interest)
List by events/meetings/schedules
List by team/location

*User page:*
Personal Calendar
Options to change between calendar lenght (daily, weekly, monthly)
Filters based on location
Filters based on team (or interest)
Calendar Scroll by month (not bigger views) (maybe add a smaller next-prev
month on a side)
Match with -FAS?- to allow users add entries OR send a form to leader with
notes.
Checkbox for groups selection

*Date view:*
timeline showing where you are (maybe a red line on a particular hour?)
Items on time

*General Data:*
How to insert data? (manual, rss from some amazing rbergeron .ics? rss from
wiki?)
Auto update against -something-
Milestone .ics or something for general schedules by topic/team/task/user
Check for duplicated
Integrate with some webchat for calendar dates? or just a link with info?
General priority

*Event/meeting/schedule page:*
Bio data
Link to wiki
Owner

*Form:*
Bio (retrieved from FAS? or wiki link?)
schedule/event/meeting to change
everytime a change is made, should send a mail

*Later:*
Sync zodbot with a meeting schedule, so he automaticaly start a meeting.
FAS integration to determine which team you are in

[María Leandro]

Ok, this is a really rough mockup of what I told you guys at Blacksburg.

Front end, easy and simple with links to change month/week/day view and
categorize by event/meeting/schedule or region. Days with activities are
highlight and those who has changes or something to take care of have a
small bubble (or any mark)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7145/6771084841_b51f1a1b59_o.png

Once someone check the date he want to access, right box (should be ajax)
will display what's scheduled for that particular day. I though that
separate them by activity could be a good idea, but also could be just a
timeline. (even if this might create problems since we have activities done
at the same time)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7171/6771084853_f3a1c238f9_o.png

Once a user identify which event/meeting/schedule want to know about (in
this case, meeting) click on the item and goes to a new page where the
information is display. I add a small *go to webchat* button, since we can
just add a link to freenode.webchat and forget about add a different
component

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7021/6771084865_760b38bc5e_o.png

What do you guys think? Easy enough?

El 25 de enero de 2012 18:26, María Leandro escribió:
> I think we can do it all Paul, let's just figure it out where to start. :)
>
> Reading logs from our meeting I tried to manage a list of things that
> calendar should have. This pretty much resume what everyone want/need (I
> think) and simplify a bit the reading of the huge log.
>
> Pls, tell me what you think. If this is correct, I will start writing a
> post/mail letting people know that we need Drupal-ninjas (ninjas are
> design... so maybe cowboys?) to help us with specific modules that we can
> easily integrate without need to work everyone at the same time.
>
> Please, let me know if I miss anything important.
>
> General Page:*
> Log in/out calendar view
> Filters based on location
> Filters based on team (or interest)
> List by events/meetings/schedules
> List by team/location
>
> *User page:*
> Personal Calendar
> Options to change between calendar lenght (daily, weekly, monthly)
> Filters based on location
> Filters based on team (or interest)
> Calendar Scroll by month (not bigger views) (maybe add a smaller next-prev
> month on a side)
> Match with -FAS?- to allow users add entries OR send a form to leader with
> notes.
> Checkbox for groups selection
>
> *Date view:*
> timeline showing where you are (maybe a red line on a particular hour?)
> Items on time
>
> *General Data:*
> How to insert data? (manual, rss from some amazing rbergeron .ics? rss
> from wiki?)
> Auto update against -something-
> Milestone .ics or something for general schedules by topic/team/task/user
> Check for duplicated
> Integrate with some webchat for calendar dates? or just a link with info?
> General priority
>
> *Event/meeting/schedule page:*
> Bio data
> Link to wiki
> Owner
>
> *Form:*
> Bio (retrieved from FAS? or wiki link?)
> schedule/event/meeting to change
> everytime a change is made, should send a mail
>
> *Later:*
> Sync zodbot with a meeting schedule, so he automaticaly start a meeting.
> FAS integration to determine which team you are in
>
> --
> tatica
> Maria Gracia Leandro
> http://www.tatica.org
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:tatica
> LinuxUser= 440285  GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56

[Paul W. Frields]

On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 11:55:45AM -0430, María Leandro wrote:
> Ok, this is a really rough mockup of what I told you guys at Blacksburg.
>
> Front end, easy and simple with links to change month/week/day view and
> categorize by event/meeting/schedule or region. Days with activities are
> highlight and those who has changes or something to take care of have a
> small bubble (or any mark)
>
> http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7145/6771084841_b51f1a1b59_o.png

So the site would put the mark on anything added since the user's last
visit?
> Once someone check the date he want to access, right box (should be ajax)
> will display what's scheduled for that particular day. I though that
> separate them by activity could be a good idea, but also could be just a
> timeline. (even if this might create problems since we have activities done
> at the same time)
>
> http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7171/6771084853_f3a1c238f9_o.png

I like this display a lot, and the categorization.  I think that would
be easier to read than a timeline, because as a user, I'm interested
first in relevant events, then what time they are.

I have zero experience with Ajax but hopefully someone here does. :-)
> Once a user identify which event/meeting/schedule want to know about (in
> this case, meeting) click on the item and goes to a new page where the
> information is display. I add a small *go to webchat* button, since we can
> just add a link to freenode.webchat and forget about add a different
> component
>
> http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7021/6771084865_760b38bc5e_o.png

I love the idea of leveraging the existing webchat on Freenode.  We do
this elsewhere such as in wiki links.  It simplifies things for the
user.  Since we expect the user is not necessarily an experienced
Fedora contributor, this will help them find the right people more
easily.
> What do you guys think? Easy enough?

I don't know about easy, but maybe Peter can make a better estimate?
:-)

Paul
> El 25 de enero de 2012 18:26, María Leandro escribió:
> > I think we can do it all Paul, let's just figure it out where to start. :)
> >
> > Reading logs from our meeting I tried to manage a list of things that
> > calendar should have. This pretty much resume what everyone want/need (I
> > think) and simplify a bit the reading of the huge log.
> >
> > Pls, tell me what you think. If this is correct, I will start writing a
> > post/mail letting people know that we need Drupal-ninjas (ninjas are
> > design... so maybe cowboys?) to help us with specific modules that we can
> > easily integrate without need to work everyone at the same time.
> >
> > Please, let me know if I miss anything important.
> >
> > General Page:*
> > Log in/out calendar view
> > Filters based on location
> > Filters based on team (or interest)
> > List by events/meetings/schedules
> > List by team/location
> >
> > *User page:*
> > Personal Calendar
> > Options to change between calendar lenght (daily, weekly, monthly)
> > Filters based on location
> > Filters based on team (or interest)
> > Calendar Scroll by month (not bigger views) (maybe add a smaller next-prev
> > month on a side)
> > Match with -FAS?- to allow users add entries OR send a form to leader with
> > notes.
> > Checkbox for groups selection
> >
> > *Date view:*
> > timeline showing where you are (maybe a red line on a particular hour?)
> > Items on time
> >
> > *General Data:*
> > How to insert data? (manual, rss from some amazing rbergeron .ics? rss
> > from wiki?)
> > Auto update against -something-
> > Milestone .ics or something for general schedules by topic/team/task/user
> > Check for duplicated
> > Integrate with some webchat for calendar dates? or just a link with info?
> > General priority
> >
> > *Event/meeting/schedule page:*
> > Bio data
> > Link to wiki
> > Owner
> >
> > *Form:*
> > Bio (retrieved from FAS? or wiki link?)
> > schedule/event/meeting to change
> > everytime a change is made, should send a mail
> >
> > *Later:*
> > Sync zodbot with a meeting schedule, so he automaticaly start a meeting.
> > FAS integration to determine which team you are in
> >
> > --
> > tatica
> > Maria Gracia Leandro
> > http://www.tatica.org
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:tatica
> > LinuxUser= 440285  GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56
>
> -- 
> tatica
> Maria Gracia Leandro
> http://www.tatica.org
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:tatica
> LinuxUser= 440285  GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56
> logistics mailing list
> [e-mail]
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/logistics

[Peter Borsa]

Hi!

Sorry folks, my last week, weekend was so busy and this week will be
busy as well, because I have a lot of issues in my redmine list. ULX(I
work for them) gave me some extra tasks.

So, I mentioned it yesterday to tatica on IRC, I like her ideas, +1
from me. I'm working on mediawiki module to fix its bugs.
I think María's ideas are possible and solvable. I looked for some
modules that can be interesting for us, for example there is a
timeline sandbox project ;)

I guess we need clarify our tasks, what is the first step in theming,
programming, etc-etc, because there are some great examples, mockups.
María, Paul, one of you can do this?

--
Peter Borsa
http://asrob.net
gpg fingerprint: EF52 EF5D 9604 E11C 8219  242B AB24 5B0B C6CD 1242

On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 10:54 PM, Paul W. Frields  wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 11:55:45AM -0430, María Leandro wrote:
> > Ok, this is a really rough mockup of what I told you guys at Blacksburg.
> >
> > Front end, easy and simple with links to change month/week/day view and
> > categorize by event/meeting/schedule or region. Days with activities are
> > highlight and those who has changes or something to take care of have a
> > small bubble (or any mark)
> >
> > http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7145/6771084841_b51f1a1b59_o.png
>
> So the site would put the mark on anything added since the user's last
> visit?
> > Once someone check the date he want to access, right box (should be ajax)
> > will display what's scheduled for that particular day. I though that
> > separate them by activity could be a good idea, but also could be just a
> > timeline. (even if this might create problems since we have activities done
> > at the same time)
> >
> > http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7171/6771084853_f3a1c238f9_o.png
>
> I like this display a lot, and the categorization.  I think that would
> be easier to read than a timeline, because as a user, I'm interested
> first in relevant events, then what time they are.
>
> I have zero experience with Ajax but hopefully someone here does. :-)
> > Once a user identify which event/meeting/schedule want to know about (in
> > this case, meeting) click on the item and goes to a new page where the
> > information is display. I add a small *go to webchat* button, since we can
> > just add a link to freenode.webchat and forget about add a different
> > component
> >
> > http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7021/6771084865_760b38bc5e_o.png
>
> I love the idea of leveraging the existing webchat on Freenode.  We do
> this elsewhere such as in wiki links.  It simplifies things for the
> user.  Since we expect the user is not necessarily an experienced
> Fedora contributor, this will help them find the right people more
> easily.
> > What do you guys think? Easy enough?
>
> I don't know about easy, but maybe Peter can make a better estimate?
> :-)
>
> Paul
> > El 25 de enero de 2012 18:26, María Leandro escribió:
> > > I think we can do it all Paul, let's just figure it out where to start. :)
> > >
> > > Reading logs from our meeting I tried to manage a list of things that
> > > calendar should have. This pretty much resume what everyone want/need (I
> > > think) and simplify a bit the reading of the huge log.
> > >
> > > Pls, tell me what you think. If this is correct, I will start writing a
> > > post/mail letting people know that we need Drupal-ninjas (ninjas are
> > > design... so maybe cowboys?) to help us with specific modules that we can
> > > easily integrate without need to work everyone at the same time.
> > >
> > > Please, let me know if I miss anything important.
> > >
> > > General Page:*
> > > Log in/out calendar view
> > > Filters based on location
> > > Filters based on team (or interest)
> > > List by events/meetings/schedules
> > > List by team/location
> > >
> > > *User page:*
> > > Personal Calendar
> > > Options to change between calendar lenght (daily, weekly, monthly)
> > > Filters based on location
> > > Filters based on team (or interest)
> > > Calendar Scroll by month (not bigger views) (maybe add a smaller next-prev
> > > month on a side)
> > > Match with -FAS?- to allow users add entries OR send a form to leader with
> > > notes.
> > > Checkbox for groups selection
> > >
> > > *Date view:*
> > > timeline showing where you are (maybe a red line on a particular hour?)
> > > Items on time
> > >
> > > *General Data:*
> > > How to insert data? (manual, rss from some amazing rbergeron .ics? rss
> > > from wiki?)
> > > Auto update against -something-
> > > Milestone .ics or something for general schedules by topic/team/task/user
> > > Check for duplicated
> > > Integrate with some webchat for calendar dates? or just a link with info?
> > > General priority
> > >
> > > *Event/meeting/schedule page:*
> > > Bio data
> > > Link to wiki
> > > Owner
> > >
> > > *Form:*
> > > Bio (retrieved from FAS? or wiki link?)
> > > schedule/event/meeting to change
> > > everytime a change is made, should send a mail
> > >
> > > *Later:*
> > > Sync zodbot with a meeting schedule, so he automaticaly start a meeting.
> > > FAS integration to determine which team you are in
> > >
> > > --
> > > tatica
> > > Maria Gracia Leandro
> > > http://www.tatica.org
> > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:tatica
> > > LinuxUser= 440285  GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56
> >
> > --
> > tatica
> > Maria Gracia Leandro
> > http://www.tatica.org
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:tatica
> > LinuxUser= 440285  GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56
> > logistics mailing list
> > [e-mail]
> > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/logistics
>
> --
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[Paul W. Frields]

(rearranged the text since mingled top and bottom posting can get
difficult to read)

On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:25:51AM +0100, Peter Borsa wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 10:54 PM, Paul W. Frields  wrote:
> > On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 11:55:45AM -0430, María Leandro wrote:
> > > Ok, this is a really rough mockup of what I told you guys at Blacksburg.
> > >
> > > Front end, easy and simple with links to change month/week/day view and
> > > categorize by event/meeting/schedule or region. Days with activities are
> > > highlight and those who has changes or something to take care of have a
> > > small bubble (or any mark)
> > >
> > > http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7145/6771084841_b51f1a1b59_o.png
> >
> > So the site would put the mark on anything added since the user's last
> > visit?
> > > Once someone check the date he want to access, right box (should be ajax)
> > > will display what's scheduled for that particular day. I though that
> > > separate them by activity could be a good idea, but also could be just a
> > > timeline. (even if this might create problems since we have activities done
> > > at the same time)
> > >
> > > http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7171/6771084853_f3a1c238f9_o.png
> >
> > I like this display a lot, and the categorization.  I think that would
> > be easier to read than a timeline, because as a user, I'm interested
> > first in relevant events, then what time they are.
> >
> > I have zero experience with Ajax but hopefully someone here does. :-)
> > > Once a user identify which event/meeting/schedule want to know about (in
> > > this case, meeting) click on the item and goes to a new page where the
> > > information is display. I add a small *go to webchat* button, since we can
> > > just add a link to freenode.webchat and forget about add a different
> > > component
> > >
> > > http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7021/6771084865_760b38bc5e_o.png
> >
> > I love the idea of leveraging the existing webchat on Freenode.  We do
> > this elsewhere such as in wiki links.  It simplifies things for the
> > user.  Since we expect the user is not necessarily an experienced
> > Fedora contributor, this will help them find the right people more
> > easily.
> > > What do you guys think? Easy enough?
> >
> > I don't know about easy, but maybe Peter can make a better estimate?
> > :-)
>
> Hi!
>
> Sorry folks, my last week, weekend was so busy and this week will be
> busy as well, because I have a lot of issues in my redmine list. ULX(I
> work for them) gave me some extra tasks.
>
> So, I mentioned it yesterday to tatica on IRC, I like her ideas, +1
> from me. I'm working on mediawiki module to fix its bugs.
> I think María's ideas are possible and solvable. I looked for some
> modules that can be interesting for us, for example there is a
> timeline sandbox project ;)
>
> I guess we need clarify our tasks, what is the first step in theming,
> programming, etc-etc, because there are some great examples, mockups.
> María, Paul, one of you can do this?

The way I see it, validating the design comes first, then establishing
the functionality, then theming.  To validate the design, we should
make sure that some of the people we invited to our Blacksburg
sessions -- whether they could be there or not -- get to see and
comment on these designs.

Maria, would it be possible to post these somewhere people can leave
comments?  IIRC the Design team has a way to do that.

[María Leandro]

> The way I see it, validating the design comes first, then establishing
> the functionality, then theming.  To validate the design, we should
> make sure that some of the people we invited to our Blacksburg
> sessions -- whether they could be there or not -- get to see and
> comment on these designs.
>
> Maria, would it be possible to post these somewhere people can leave
> comments?  IIRC the Design team has a way to do that.

Sure!

Front page:
http://publictest04.fedoraproject.org/artboard/post/view/110

Front page action:
http://publictest04.fedoraproject.org/artboard/post/view/111

Meeting info:
http://publictest04.fedoraproject.org/artboard/post/view/112

[Paul W. Frields]

On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 06:26:01PM -0430, María Leandro wrote:
> I think we can do it all Paul, let's just figure it out where to start. :)
>
> Reading logs from our meeting I tried to manage a list of things that
> calendar should have. This pretty much resume what everyone want/need (I
> think) and simplify a bit the reading of the huge log.
>
> Pls, tell me what you think. If this is correct, I will start writing a
> post/mail letting people know that we need Drupal-ninjas (ninjas are
> design... so maybe cowboys?) to help us with specific modules that we can
> easily integrate without need to work everyone at the same time.

Drupalistas?
> Please, let me know if I miss anything important.
>
> General Page:*
> Log in/out calendar view
> Filters based on location
> Filters based on team (or interest)
> List by events/meetings/schedules
> List by team/location
>
> *User page:*
> Personal Calendar
> Options to change between calendar lenght (daily, weekly, monthly)
> Filters based on location
> Filters based on team (or interest)
> Calendar Scroll by month (not bigger views) (maybe add a smaller next-prev
> month on a side)
> Match with -FAS?- to allow users add entries OR send a form to leader with
> notes.

Yes, we can do this based on FAS.  Our plugin lets us tell whether
someone is cla_done already.  If we want to make this CLA +1, it
wouldn't be difficult to code; I'd be willing to do the work.
> Checkbox for groups selection
>
> *Date view:*
> timeline showing where you are (maybe a red line on a particular hour?)
> Items on time
>
> *General Data:*
> How to insert data? (manual, rss from some amazing rbergeron .ics? rss from
> wiki?)

I don't think there's an RSS for this, but we should be able to import
from .ics, right?  (Peter may know, I'm not sure.)
> Auto update against -something-

It's possible for a date to move, so we'd probably want to tag the
import from ICS somehow, so the entire set could be overwritten by a
fresh import regularly -- once or twice a day ought to be more than
enough.
> Milestone .ics or something for general schedules by topic/team/task/user
> Check for duplicated
> Integrate with some webchat for calendar dates? or just a link with info?

I probably forgot what this integration meant; can you explain it?
> General priority
>
> *Event/meeting/schedule page:*
> Bio data
> Link to wiki
> Owner
>
> *Form:*
> Bio (retrieved from FAS? or wiki link?)
> schedule/event/meeting to change
> everytime a change is made, should send a mail
>
> *Later:*
> Sync zodbot with a meeting schedule, so he automaticaly start a meeting.
> FAS integration to determine which team you are in

This last bit might not be as hard as we think -- it would be possible
to do this based on roles perhaps, which can already map to a FAS
group.  However, if there is not one reliable FAS group to know if a
person's on a team, that could get harder.  Or it might be solved by
changing the schema in AuthFAS to allow more than just 1-to-1 mapping
of FAS group <-> Drupal role ID (rid).

* * *

This looks fairly complete to me, Maria, thank you.  Now how do we
want to take this list forward to the meetings and track?