Re: Etherpad FAD preparation

[Jon Stanley]

On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Colin Zwiebel <colin(a)zonion.org&gt; wrote:

>  YOUR ATTENTION NEEDED
>  And we need people to act as helpdesk. This may be a good position for
>  technical people not versed in the exact EP technolgoies (IE me, never
>  hacked in scala in my life)
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Etherpad_FAD#Help_Desk_Hours 
I can do some of this - I've never hacked Java, Scala, or any of these
other fancy things you speak of :).  I'm obviously quite experienced
in Fedora however, and can help the newbies get setup and going
relatively quickly - and being physically present helps in doing that
immensely.

My main point in being there is having someone from infrastructure
there, along those lines, have you filled out an RFR for an EP
instance yet?

Etherpad FAD preparation

[Colin Zwiebel]

>  I can do some of this - I've never hacked Java, Scala, or any of these
>  other fancy things you speak of :). 
Cool, if you could signup on the wiki for a time that would be awesome. Feel
free to split one of the larger ones. I don't want you to go cross eyed into
IRC.

 My main point in being there is having someone from infrastructure

there, along those lines, have you filled out an RFR for an EP

instance yet?

Oh man, no. Its still really messy. I don't know how many kittens would die
if it touched Fedora Infrastructure. I've only gotten it run as root (ack!)
and it keeps killing my machine. Does rather nasty things with Jetty and
wanting to own your ports. Then Java is like "hey, I think I'll just consume
all your memory. 1.4 Gb sounds good." People die. I haven't figured out
which logs are useful and useless. Haven't done much admin work, need to
figure out which top tools from the multitude out there -- and perhaps, more
importantly, which flags--are for me.

Yeah, we'll have to have a good long talk. It will be great!

Colin


On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 11:33 PM, Jon Stanley <jonstanley(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Colin Zwiebel
> <colin(a)zonion.org&gt; wrote:
>
>  > YOUR ATTENTION NEEDED
>  > And we need people to act as helpdesk. This may be a good position for
>  > technical people not versed in the exact EP technolgoies (IE me, never
>  > hacked in scala in my life)
>  > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Etherpad_FAD#Help_Desk_Hours
>
>  I can do some of this - I've never hacked Java, Scala, or any of these
>  other fancy things you speak of :).  I'm obviously quite experienced
>  in Fedora however, and can help the newbies get setup and going
>  relatively quickly - and being physically present helps in doing that
>  immensely.
>
>  My main point in being there is having someone from infrastructure
>  there, along those lines, have you filled out an RFR for an EP
>  instance yet?
>

Etherpad FAD preparation

[Jon Stanley]

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 12:24 AM, Colin Zwiebel <colin(a)zonion.org&gt; wrote:

>  Oh man, no. Its still really messy. I don't know how many kittens
> would die
>  if it touched Fedora Infrastructure. I've only gotten it run as root (ack!)
>  and it keeps killing my machine. Does rather nasty things with Jetty and
>  wanting to own your ports. Then Java is like "hey, I think I'll just consume
>  all your memory. 1.4 Gb sounds good." People die. I haven't figured out
>  which logs are useful and useless. Haven't done much admin work, need to
>  figure out which top tools from the multitude out there -- and perhaps, more
>  importantly, which flags--are for me. 
The good part of this is that I *have* run high-traffic sites based on
Java middleware, and have some experience in troubleshooting that from
an admin side of the container/etc. Why are you using Jetty as opposed
to something real (say Tomcat)? Deploying there shouldn't be *too*
difficult, and we might get something more valuable out of the
container. I assume that you've limited the Java heap size with
-Xms/-Xmx as well....anyhow, we can talk and hack on that part of
it....

Etherpad FAD preparation

[Colin Zwiebel]

So I had a great meeting with Asheesh last Friday, and I've been totally
swamped with Coming Out Week (Babson/Olin decided 1 day wasn't enough, and
gave me 2 weeks notice of this decision AWESOME and crushing)

Just jam it all into a pastebin and give 'em a link with no context, then!


And that is what I intend to do: http://www.pastie.org/1190343


The gist is we need to think hard about how

Few changes
* 30:30 for Kevin's training
* Have a training session on Saturday (get people into the door for working
on projects)
* Rehersal
* Make use of
   * http://asheesh.org/scratch/Penn_open_source_hackathon
   * http://openetherpad.org/session-2
* Have leads on projects / efforts, advertise to others on joining projects
(instead of "find something in the bug tracker that looks interesting"
* Lookup Pomodoro Technique

Even Asheeh will be surprised by a few of these.

More to come. Pre-Fad will determine a lot.

Cheers,
Colin


On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Asheesh Laroia <asheesh(a)asheesh.org&gt; wrote:

>  On Tue, 28 Sep 2010, Colin Zwiebel wrote:
>
>  Yup, was planning to write things up. Buuut things have piled up, and at
> > 6am when the birds congratulated me on completing the automata midterm, I no
> > longer felt like it.
> >
> > Shall happen. Ahh, theory, often hard to feel affection for. But no good
> > to just have "skills," ahh delemas. One of these days Ill figure ourt how
> to
> > track a whole education (including theory) through some series of fun,
> > "relevant" projects.
> >
>
>  Just jam it all into a pastebin and give 'em a link with no context, then! 

Colin


On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 6:35 AM, Jon Stanley <jonstanley(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 12:24 AM, Colin Zwiebel
> <colin(a)zonion.org&gt; wrote:
>
>  > Oh man, no. Its still really messy. I don't know how many kittens would
>  die
>  > if it touched Fedora Infrastructure. I've only gotten it run as root
>  (ack!)
>  > and it keeps killing my machine. Does rather nasty things with Jetty and
>  > wanting to own your ports. Then Java is like "hey, I think I'll just
>  consume
>  > all your memory. 1.4 Gb sounds good." People die. I haven't figured out
>  > which logs are useful and useless. Haven't done much admin work, need to
>  > figure out which top tools from the multitude out there -- and perhaps,
>  more
>  > importantly, which flags--are for me.
>
>  The good part of this is that I *have* run high-traffic sites based on
>  Java middleware, and have some experience in troubleshooting that from
>  an admin side of the container/etc. Why are you using Jetty as opposed
>  to something real (say Tomcat)? Deploying there shouldn't be *too*
>  difficult, and we might get something more valuable out of the
>  container. I assume that you've limited the Java heap size with
>  -Xms/-Xmx as well....anyhow, we can talk and hack on that part of
>  it....
>