----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "Robert 'Bob' Jensen" bob@fedoraunity.org To: "For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base" fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com Cc: logistics@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 3:41:45 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: Fedora Insight Zikula Instance - please help us find a packager
----- "Mel Chua" mel@redhat.com wrote:
Marketing folks:
We need packaging (or packager-recruiting) help. I'm going to be traveling in some way for the next 12 hours, but in that time we need to find someone to do two simple packages (it looks like they'll be extremely fast for an experienced packager, and Toshio stands ready to
review them tonight whenever they are ready).
We need the two modules listed at http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/logistics/2009-August/000185.html
for Fedora Insight, preferably within the next 24 hours. We need these
packages in order to have RSS feeds and events blocks on the F12 deployment of FI.
Can anyone package or help find someone who can package?
Thanks!
The always awesome Chitlesh Goorah is working on zikula-feeds.
-- Bob
Truly, Bob is a Recruiter of Awesome.
The always awesome Chitlesh Goorah is working on zikula-feeds.
And the amazing Rahul Sundaram has submitted both. Feeds: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=519482 Pagemaster: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=519483
Toshio, how quickly can we get these reviewed?
--Mel, who is in awe
On 08/26/2009 04:24 PM, Mel Chua wrote:
Truly, Bob is a Recruiter of Awesome.
The always awesome Chitlesh Goorah is working on zikula-feeds.
And the amazing Rahul Sundaram has submitted both. Feeds: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=519482 Pagemaster: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=519483
Toshio, how quickly can we get these reviewed?
Just did a prereview -- feeds looks like it will be a quick review. Unless I totally missed something just now, I'll review and approve it tomorrow.
pagemaster has another zikula module, FilterUtil, embedded in it so someone needs to package that and we need to figure out if anything else is needed to make pagemaster work with the split out module. It could be a rabbit hole or that might be all it needs.
-Toshio
pagemaster has another zikula module, FilterUtil, embedded in it so someone needs to package that and we need to figure out if anything else is needed to make pagemaster work with the split out module. It could be a rabbit hole or that might be all it needs.
That's not entirely true - FilterUtil is a backported library from the next version of Zikula. When Zikula 2 is released in the future, this will disappear from pagemaster. It's not really a self contained unit that can stand on its own.
Simon
On 08/26/2009 06:29 PM, Simon Birtwistle wrote:
pagemaster has another zikula module, FilterUtil, embedded in it so someone needs to package that and we need to figure out if anything else is needed to make pagemaster work with the split out module. It could be a rabbit hole or that might be all it needs.
That's not entirely true - FilterUtil is a backported library from the next version of Zikula. When Zikula 2 is released in the future, this will disappear from pagemaster. It's not really a self contained unit that can stand on its own.
http://code.zikula.org/filterutil
"FilterUtil is now added to core of Zikula 2.0. This project is only for reference and below Zikula 2.0 usage."
It's not clear from that that it can only be used from pagemaster.
-Toshio
On 08/26/2009 08:17 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
On 08/26/2009 06:29 PM, Simon Birtwistle wrote:
pagemaster has another zikula module, FilterUtil, embedded in it so someone needs to package that and we need to figure out if anything else is needed to make pagemaster work with the split out module. It could be a rabbit hole or that might be all it needs.
That's not entirely true - FilterUtil is a backported library from the next version of Zikula. When Zikula 2 is released in the future, this will disappear from pagemaster. It's not really a self contained unit that can stand on its own.
http://code.zikula.org/filterutil
"FilterUtil is now added to core of Zikula 2.0. This project is only for reference and below Zikula 2.0 usage."
It's not clear from that that it can only be used from pagemaster.
I should have phrased this more as a question:
Is filterutil a library that can be used in any zikula module or is it something that can only be used in pagemaster? If it's the latter then it can stay in the pagemaster package as it's really just a part of that. If the former: Is FilterUtil distributed as its own backported module or is each new release a part of the pagemaster release? If it's only distributed inside the pagemaster module then it's a library provided by pagemaster. If the latter, it needs to be packaged separately.
-Toshio
Is filterutil a library that can be used in any zikula module or is it something that can only be used in pagemaster? If it's the latter then it can stay in the pagemaster package as it's really just a part of that. If the former: Is FilterUtil distributed as its own backported module or is each new release a part of the pagemaster release? If it's only distributed inside the pagemaster module then it's a library provided by pagemaster. If the latter, it needs to be packaged separately.
So FilterUtil will become a core Zikula library, available to all. However, in Zikula 1.x (i.e. the deployment we are talking about) FilterUtil is not available. The pagemaster developers have backported it for their uses - it's not publically available as a download from anywhere except the Zikula SVN.
No other modules should access the FilterUtil provided by pagemaster - it's something they have backported for themselves only. From what I know of the Fedora packaging guidelines in this case there is no need to package FilterUtil separately - there will be no external dependencies.
Simon
On 08/27/2009 09:20 PM, Simon Birtwistle wrote:
Is filterutil a library that can be used in any zikula module or is it something that can only be used in pagemaster? If it's the latter then it can stay in the pagemaster package as it's really just a part of that. If the former: Is FilterUtil distributed as its own backported module or is each new release a part of the pagemaster release? If it's only distributed inside the pagemaster module then it's a library provided by pagemaster. If the latter, it needs to be packaged separately.
So FilterUtil will become a core Zikula library, available to all. However, in Zikula 1.x (i.e. the deployment we are talking about) FilterUtil is not available. The pagemaster developers have backported it for their uses - it's not publically available as a download from anywhere except the Zikula SVN.
No other modules should access the FilterUtil provided by pagemaster - it's something they have backported for themselves only. From what I know of the Fedora packaging guidelines in this case there is no need to package FilterUtil separately - there will be no external dependencies.
So this is what I just wrote in the review ticket: """ The important difference is not whether it's standalone. The question is whether it's a separate project. * It does have a separate subversion repository so that's a point against it being just a piece of pagemaster. [EDIT: that's here: https://code.zikula.org/svn/filterutil/trunk ] * It's been incorporated into zikula-2 but AFAIK pagemaster has not been incorporated into the core. [EDIT: this shows that pagemaster and FilterUtil are separate entities] * Does it get released separately? I think it doesn't have tarballs so this is somewhat favorable to it being seen as part of pagemaster. * Does it get incorporated into other modules? It looks like it used to be included in ModuleStudio as well but because ModuleStudio wanted to be php-4 compatible, it dropped the FilterUtil code: http://community.zikula.org/module-Forum-viewtopic-topic-54622.htm """
Anything to add on the other side of the coin?
-Toshio
So this is what I just wrote in the review ticket: """ The important difference is not whether it's standalone. The question is whether it's a separate project.
- It does have a separate subversion repository so that's a point
against it being just a piece of pagemaster. [EDIT: that's here: https://code.zikula.org/svn/filterutil/trunk ]
It was initially developed outside the core, before being included into Zikula 2.0 (so really, it resides at http://code.zikula.org/svn/core/).
- It's been incorporated into zikula-2 but AFAIK pagemaster has not
been incorporated into the core. [EDIT: this shows that pagemaster and FilterUtil are separate entities]
Correct, pagemaster is not (and will not ever) be core, they simply need a library that is not yet available/
- Does it get released separately? I think it doesn't have tarballs so
this is somewhat favorable to it being seen as part of pagemaster.
FilterUtil won't ever be released, it will simply become available with Zikula 2.0 as part of Zikula's core application framework libraries.
- Does it get incorporated into other modules? It looks like it used
to be included in ModuleStudio as well but because ModuleStudio wanted to be php-4 compatible, it dropped the FilterUtil code: http://community.zikula.org/module-Forum-viewtopic-topic-54622.htm """
It is possible (but unlikely) other modules will use FilterUtil. As far as I am aware, there are no modules using it now, and no developments planning to use it before Zikula 2.0 is released. ModuleStudio isn't a module - it's a standalone application used to develop modules - until Zikula 2.0 is released ModuleStudio won't include FilterUtil as a library.
In short, my opinion is that it's not worth packaging separately, because the chances of any other modules ever making use of the separate package are slim (especially as Zikula 2.0 is likely to be released long before use of the FilterUtil library becomes common).
Simon
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