4:47 p.m.
Zikula Meeting Agenda
2009-07-29
15:00 UTC
== Last Meeting ==
* https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Zikula_20090722
== Packaging Status Follow up ==
*
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=504066&hide_res...
* https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula#Module_status
* '''ACTIONS:'''
** stickster to push zikula-module-News to stable
** stickster to resolve phpSmug naming, build and push
** Sparks to review license problems in scribite! to determine if he can
just remove the "broken" pieces.
** ke4qqq: review stickster's renamed packages
** ke4qqq will contact upstream authors of cc-licensed js by eow and see
if relicensing can happen.
== Information from ke4qqq ===
Found yet another bundled library in Zikula - phpmenulayers.
Fortunately this is already being packaged
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/process_bug.cgi
However, phpmenulayers bundles the following library:
http://pear.php.net/package/HTML_Template_PHPLIB/
We may want to jump on that (esp since there are some relatively
automated spec building tools for pear packages.)
To my knowledge - everything not blocked on licensing has been
approved except zikula-module-mediashare. This was waiting on a number
of dependencies, (4 or 5, which have at least all been approved, if
not already built)
There may likewise be licensing issues, but if there are, we need to
get them in front of upstream and/or fixed by us asap.
=== Stuff blocked by licensing: ===
* zikula-module-menutree
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=511998
Upstream said they were working on this, but I haven't heard anything
in a while.
Some of this is merely a set of icons, the one package with no
licensing information is problematic and we might need to see what we
can do with it/without it.
Let's ping upstream again on this issue as well
* zikula-module-mediaattach
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=506038
Ian has really not even started packaging this one because he found so
many licensing issues.
I've notified upstream, but we may need to see what we can do to purge
some of this stuff.
* zikula-module-content
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=492091
Lukas has this moving along - there is a licensing issue with lightboxXL.
I fired off an email re: relicensing/dual licensing to lightboxXL's
author on 22 June, but to date have received no response.
It might help if a native spanish speaker sent an email explaining the
situation, but it looks like this might have to get jettisoned which
might involve patching source.
DISCUSS: next actions and plans to resolve these blockers
== Test Instance ==
* '''ACTIONS''': Need to set a date to template the conf files for
puppet and create package lists, etc.
== Project Management ==
* '''ACTIONS''': Poelcat to work on creating draft schedule by the
first
part of next week and follow through on coordinating finalizing it
== Draft Zikula Schedule ==
--Promised skeleton is below... Poelstra needs detailed tasks from all
the teams to fill in this schedule. Suggest doing this with Gobby (and
possibly Fedora Talk) ASAP
* DISCUSS: set time and date using--http://whenisgood.net/RKQ8tE
Packaging Modules Tue 2009-06-10 ???
--when will we really be done?
Start Alpha Freeze Tue 2009-08-04 Tue
2009-08-04
Alpha Public Availability Tue 2009-08-18 Tue
2009-08-18
Test Instance "Go Live" Tue 2009-08-25 Tue
2009-08-25
Performance Testing Wed 2009-08-26 Fri
2009-09-04
Final (Beta) Freeze Tue 2009-09-22 Tue
2009-09-22
Build Production Box ???
???
Deploy Production Box ???
???
Beta Release Public Availability Tue 2009-10-06 Tue
2009-10-06
Zikula "Go Live" for F12 Release ???
???
GA Release Tue 2009-11-03 Tue
2009-11-03
== Next Meeting Date & Time ==
* Anyone heard from 'itbegins'?
* Next Wednesday @ 15:00 UTC ?
5:08 p.m.
On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 14:47 -0700, John Poelstra wrote:
Zikula Meeting Agenda
2009-07-29
15:00 UTC
John,
I, unfortunately, will be unavailable for tomorrow's meeting.
== Last Meeting ==
* https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Zikula_20090722
== Packaging Status Follow up ==
*
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=504066&hide_res...
* https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula#Module_status
* '''ACTIONS:'''
** Sparks to review license problems in scribite! to determine if he can
just remove the "broken" pieces.
This has been completed and scribite! is in the repo. Upstream removed
ALL text editors from within scribite! and provides them separately. I
just need to know what text editor(s) need to be packaged. Zikula has
Xinha (I don't think this one is GPL), tinymce, fckeditor, openwysiwyg,
and nicedit.
--Eric
5:39 p.m.
On 07/28/2009 03:08 PM, Eric Christensen wrote:
On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 14:47 -0700, John Poelstra wrote:
> * '''ACTIONS:'''
> ** Sparks to review license problems in scribite! to determine if he can
> just remove the "broken" pieces.
This has been completed and scribite! is in the repo. Upstream removed
ALL text editors from within scribite! and provides them separately. I
just need to know what text editor(s) need to be packaged. Zikula has
Xinha (I don't think this one is GPL), tinymce, fckeditor, openwysiwyg,
and nicedit.
From the last upstream package that had the editors, xinha was the only
one that had a license incompatible with the GPL. I don't know what
might have been stripped in that package vs from upstream, though.
On 07/28/2009 02:47 PM, John Poelstra wrote:
== Draft Zikula Schedule ==
--Promised skeleton is below... Poelstra needs detailed tasks from all
the teams to fill in this schedule. Suggest doing this with Gobby (and
possibly Fedora Talk) ASAP
* DISCUSS: set time and date using--http://whenisgood.net/RKQ8tE
Packaging Modules Tue 2009-06-10 ???
--when will we really be done?
We don't strictly need all of the modules to be in Fedora to go into
infrastructure but they need to be under review. Licensing and bundling
should both have been audited and resolved, at least, as inability to
resolve those later could mean that we have to take down the service
(licensing) or security issues (bundling).
Start Alpha Freeze Tue 2009-08-04
Tue
2009-08-04
Alpha Public Availability Tue 2009-08-18 Tue
2009-08-18
Test Instance "Go Live" Tue 2009-08-25 Tue
2009-08-25
Performance Testing Wed 2009-08-26 Fri
2009-09-04
Final (Beta) Freeze Tue 2009-09-22 Tue
2009-09-22
Build Production Box ???
???
Deploy Production Box ???
???
mmcgrath: Do we want to build a separate box for zikula or host it on
the app servers? I remember at one time we wanted it to have its own
box due to security concerns but I don't know if that's still the case.
Beta Release Public Availability Tue 2009-10-06
Tue
2009-10-06
Zikula "Go Live" for F12 Release ???
???
GA Release Tue 2009-11-03 Tue
2009-11-03
-Toshio
5:57 p.m.
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 06:08:17PM -0400, Eric Christensen wrote:
This has been completed and scribite! is in the repo. Upstream removed
ALL text editors from within scribite! and provides them separately. I
just need to know what text editor(s) need to be packaged. Zikula has
Xinha (I don't think this one is GPL), tinymce, fckeditor, openwysiwyg,
and nicedit.
Is tinymce the editor used in Wordpress? If we're bothering, we could
focus first on editors that mimic or match other wysiwyg editors that
contributors are already familiar with.
Are you figuring Beacon in to this at all? If it's featureful, we
could just roll our energy in that direction.
- Karsten
--
Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener
http://quaid.fedorapeople.org
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6:20 p.m.
On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 15:57 -0700, Karsten Wade wrote:
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 06:08:17PM -0400, Eric Christensen wrote:
>
> This has been completed and scribite! is in the repo. Upstream removed
> ALL text editors from within scribite! and provides them separately. I
> just need to know what text editor(s) need to be packaged. Zikula has
> Xinha (I don't think this one is GPL), tinymce, fckeditor, openwysiwyg,
> and nicedit.
Is tinymce the editor used in Wordpress? If we're bothering, we could
focus first on editors that mimic or match other wysiwyg editors that
contributors are already familiar with.
Are you figuring Beacon in to this at all? If it's featureful, we
could just roll our energy in that direction.
- Karsten
I really don't know what Beacon is going to look like so I'd probably
like to package an additional editor just to be safe.
--Eric
7:56 p.m.
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
On 07/28/2009 03:08 PM, Eric Christensen wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 14:47 -0700, John Poelstra wrote:
>> * '''ACTIONS:'''
>> ** Sparks to review license problems in scribite! to determine if he can
>> just remove the "broken" pieces.
>
> This has been completed and scribite! is in the repo. Upstream removed
> ALL text editors from within scribite! and provides them separately. I
> just need to know what text editor(s) need to be packaged. Zikula has
> Xinha (I don't think this one is GPL), tinymce, fckeditor, openwysiwyg,
> and nicedit.
>
From the last upstream package that had the editors, xinha was the only
one that had a license incompatible with the GPL. I don't know what
might have been stripped in that package vs from upstream, though.
On 07/28/2009 02:47 PM, John Poelstra wrote:
> == Draft Zikula Schedule ==
> --Promised skeleton is below... Poelstra needs detailed tasks from all
> the teams to fill in this schedule. Suggest doing this with Gobby (and
> possibly Fedora Talk) ASAP
> * DISCUSS: set time and date using--http://whenisgood.net/RKQ8tE
>
>
> Packaging Modules Tue 2009-06-10 ???
> --when will we really be done?
>
We don't strictly need all of the modules to be in Fedora to go into
infrastructure but they need to be under review. Licensing and bundling
should both have been audited and resolved, at least, as inability to
resolve those later could mean that we have to take down the service
(licensing) or security issues (bundling).
> Start Alpha Freeze Tue 2009-08-04 Tue
> 2009-08-04
>
> Alpha Public Availability Tue 2009-08-18 Tue
> 2009-08-18
>
> Test Instance "Go Live" Tue 2009-08-25 Tue
> 2009-08-25
>
> Performance Testing Wed 2009-08-26 Fri
> 2009-09-04
>
> Final (Beta) Freeze Tue 2009-09-22 Tue
> 2009-09-22
>
> Build Production Box ???
> ???
>
> Deploy Production Box ???
> ???
>
mmcgrath: Do we want to build a separate box for zikula or host it on
the app servers? I remember at one time we wanted it to have its own
box due to security concerns but I don't know if that's still the case.
lets throw it on the app servers, we've already got mediawiki on there :)
Plus selinux is on the horizon. Also since we do already have a close
relationship with the developers, hopefully if something urgent comes out
they'll give us the heads up.
-Mike
9:24 p.m.
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On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:47 PM, John Poelstra<poelstra(a)redhat.com> wrote:
Zikula Meeting Agenda
2009-07-29
15:00 UTC
Unfortunately I will likely not be able to attend this meeting either.
== Last Meeting ==
* https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Zikula_20090722
== Packaging Status Follow up ==
*
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=504066&hide_res...
* https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula#Module_status
* '''ACTIONS:'''
** stickster to push zikula-module-News to stable
** stickster to resolve phpSmug naming, build and push
** Sparks to review license problems in scribite! to determine if he can
just remove the "broken" pieces.
** ke4qqq: review stickster's renamed packages
This package has been build.
** ke4qqq will contact upstream authors of cc-licensed js by eow and
see
if relicensing can happen.
I contacted upstream - no response.
== Information from ke4qqq ===
Found yet another bundled library in Zikula - phpmenulayers.
Fortunately this is already being packaged
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/process_bug.cgi
However, phpmenulayers bundles the following library:
http://pear.php.net/package/HTML_Template_PHPLIB/
We may want to jump on that (esp since there are some relatively
automated spec building tools for pear packages.)
This has already been packaged, and is awaiting a review.
To my knowledge - everything not blocked on licensing has been
approved except zikula-module-mediashare. This was waiting on a number
of dependencies, (4 or 5, which have at least all been approved, if
not already built)
There may likewise be licensing issues, but if there are, we need to
get them in front of upstream and/or fixed by us asap.
=== Stuff blocked by licensing: ===
* zikula-module-menutree
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=511998
Upstream said they were working on this, but I haven't heard anything
in a while.
Some of this is merely a set of icons, the one package with no
licensing information is problematic and we might need to see what we
can do with it/without it.
Let's ping upstream again on this issue as well
* zikula-module-mediaattach
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=506038
Ian has really not even started packaging this one because he found so
many licensing issues.
I've notified upstream, but we may need to see what we can do to purge
some of this stuff.
* zikula-module-content
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=492091
Lukas has this moving along - there is a licensing issue with lightboxXL.
I fired off an email re: relicensing/dual licensing to lightboxXL's
author on 22 June, but to date have received no response.
It might help if a native spanish speaker sent an email explaining the
situation, but it looks like this might have to get jettisoned which
might involve patching source.
Paul located a possible replacement.
We may be able to fix this ourselves and submit the fix upstream.
DISCUSS: next actions and plans to resolve these blockers
== Test Instance ==
* '''ACTIONS''': Need to set a date to template the conf files
for
puppet and create package lists, etc.
== Project Management ==
* '''ACTIONS''': Poelcat to work on creating draft schedule by
the first
part of next week and follow through on coordinating finalizing it
== Draft Zikula Schedule ==
--Promised skeleton is below... Poelstra needs detailed tasks from all
the teams to fill in this schedule. Suggest doing this with Gobby (and
possibly Fedora Talk) ASAP
* DISCUSS: set time and date using--http://whenisgood.net/RKQ8tE
Packaging Modules Tue 2009-06-10 ???
--when will we really be done?
Start Alpha Freeze Tue 2009-08-04 Tue
2009-08-04
Alpha Public Availability Tue 2009-08-18 Tue
2009-08-18
Test Instance "Go Live" Tue 2009-08-25 Tue
2009-08-25
Performance Testing Wed 2009-08-26 Fri
2009-09-04
Final (Beta) Freeze Tue 2009-09-22 Tue
2009-09-22
Build Production Box ???
???
Deploy Production Box ???
???
Beta Release Public Availability Tue 2009-10-06 Tue
2009-10-06
Zikula "Go Live" for F12 Release ???
???
GA Release Tue 2009-11-03 Tue
2009-11-03
== Next Meeting Date & Time ==
* Anyone heard from 'itbegins'?
* Next Wednesday @ 15:00 UTC ?
_______________________________________________
logistics mailing list
logistics(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/logistics
8:59 a.m.
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 02:47:38PM -0700, John Poelstra wrote:
Zikula Meeting Agenda
2009-07-29
15:00 UTC
Sorry, meeting conflict and trip to SF simultaneously.
I don't know if Satya can make this meeting, but I was hoping to see
her schedule for Beacon work integrated in with this rollout schedule.
Satya -- if you cannot make the Zikula meeting time, can you work with
us via this list to get Beacon integrated with the schedule?
thx - Karsten
--
Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener
http://quaid.fedorapeople.org
AD0E0C41
9:43 a.m.
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 07:20:58PM -0400, Eric Christensen wrote:
On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 15:57 -0700, Karsten Wade wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 06:08:17PM -0400, Eric Christensen wrote:
> >
> > This has been completed and scribite! is in the repo. Upstream removed
> > ALL text editors from within scribite! and provides them separately. I
> > just need to know what text editor(s) need to be packaged. Zikula has
> > Xinha (I don't think this one is GPL), tinymce, fckeditor, openwysiwyg,
> > and nicedit.
>
> Is tinymce the editor used in Wordpress? If we're bothering, we could
> focus first on editors that mimic or match other wysiwyg editors that
> contributors are already familiar with.
>
> Are you figuring Beacon in to this at all? If it's featureful, we
> could just roll our energy in that direction.
>
> - Karsten
I really don't know what Beacon is going to look like so I'd probably
like to package an additional editor just to be safe.
I don't want this to block on Beacon, but certainly it would be great
to have that as an editing choice later. I suspect the work to get
Zikula to use it is non-trivial, but easily scoped.
--
Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/
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http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/
irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug
10:14 a.m.
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:43:08AM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
I don't want this to block on Beacon, but certainly it would be great
to have that as an editing choice later. I suspect the work to get
Zikula to use it is non-trivial, but easily scoped.
Agreed, on the schedule as non-blocking.
Satya has been working like mad but a little too isolated. I'd like
us to see if we can integrate her schedule so that we are beholden to
keep track of each other. So, non-blocking but maybe we can insert it
as a dependency *as if it were blocking*. I'd like to get the Docs
Team a bit more beholden to tracking and testing the progress of the
DocBook editor work. (We've been remiss in not responding to testing
requests and such in a timely manner.) At the same time, I'd like to
get Satya tied in her mind to this schedule so she is dropping status
updates to this list (as well as f-docs-l), etc.
- Karsten
--
Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener
http://quaid.fedorapeople.org
AD0E0C41
1:49 p.m.
John Poelstra said the following on 07/28/2009 02:47 PM Pacific Time:
Zikula Meeting Agenda
2009-07-29
15:00 UTC
== Last Meeting ==
* https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Zikula_20090722
This meeting was cancelled because we did not have enough of the key
people. I've attached a short log of the discussion that did take place.
I need the key people interested in making Zikula happen tell me what if
anything we want to do before the next meeting. We still need to meet
to discuss the schedule. I can't build it out without more input from
everyone.
If you can help with the schedule, please indicate your availability
here: http://whenisgood.net/RKQ8tE
Thanks,
John
14:59 < poelcat> #startmeeting Zikula
14:59 < zodbot> Meeting started Wed Jul 29 14:59:47 2009 UTC. The chair is poelcat.
Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
14:59 < zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
15:00 * poelcat knows that ke4qqq and Sparks can't come so I'm not sure how much
there is going to be to discuss
15:00 < poelcat> is anyone else here to discuss zikula?
15:01 < stickster> I see that no one has arrived
15:01 * stickster sorry, was helping a friend with a bluez question
15:01 < stickster> poelcat: Is it just you and me here today?
15:01 < stickster> ianweller?
15:01 < ianweller> pong
15:01 * poelcat thinks it might be best to just call the meeting
15:02 < poelcat> but open to other suggestions
15:02 < stickster> Yeah, without ke4qqq and Sparks here we'll be suffering.
15:02 < ianweller> try pinging people? ;)
15:02 < stickster> ianweller: Those two folks already mentioned they can't make
it in email to the list
15:02 < ianweller> yeah.
15:02 < poelcat> ianweller: that's like knocking on someone's door hoping
that will make them come home ;-)
15:02 < ianweller> almost-shortest-meetinglog-ever
15:02 * onekopaka will be here for the fun of it.
15:02 * stickster notes that there's one thing we don't want to wait a week for,
which is moving on with packages by stripping out problematic licensing stuff
15:03 < ianweller> poelcat: i do that all the time!
15:03 < stickster> I think that's best hashed out on the list than by just a
couple people here.
15:03 * poelcat will wait 2 more minutes then call EOM
15:03 < stickster> poelcat: I think that's a good call.
15:03 * stickster mails the list with his concern
15:04 < onekopaka> this is almost like that one EPEL meeting then..
15:05 < stickster> onekopaka: It happens from time to time. :-) Volunteers
can't always be around on a schedule
15:06 * mchua pokes head in
15:06 < poelcat> #endmeeting
15:06 < zodbot> Meeting ended Wed Jul 29 15:06:20 2009 UTC. Information about
MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot .
15:06 < zodbot> Minutes:
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-07-29/fedora-meeting...
15:06 < zodbot> Minutes (text):
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-07-29/fedora-meeting...
15:06 < onekopaka> stickster: yeah.
15:06 < zodbot> Log:
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-07-29/fedora-meeting...
15:06 < mchua> ...shoot.
15:06 < poelcat> mchua: hi
15:06 < mchua> poelcat: hey. sorry I missed the meeting
15:06 < poelcat> mchua: w/o the two key people we don't have a lot to discuss
15:06 < ricky> Darn, I missed it :-(
15:06 < mchua> 4am wakeup for 6am planeflight = Mel goes a little loopy on
schedule...
15:07 < poelcat> if people have things we should discuss we can still meet
15:07 < poelcat> looking at the agenda... i'm not sure we have the right people
to do that
15:07 * mchua hunts for link to agenda
15:07 * poelcat just didn't want to "have a meeting for the sake of having a
meeting"
15:08 < stickster> I agree
15:08 * stickster is proposing to the list that we assume from here on out we are going
to take necessary actions to resolve licensing ourselves wherever needed
15:09 < mchua> only question I had was whether there was a timeframe for when we
might expect test and final instances up that Marketing can use for Fedora Insight
15:09 < ricky> If I did make the meeting, I only had two things that I think would
be nice to have - a) Get the test instance into a shape that's slightly closer to what
the final product might look like and b) Get the l10n team onto the test instance so that
you guys can get started on translation workflow stuff ASAP
15:09 < mchua> (or if that's even the right question to be asking at this point
in the zikula saga - I'm joining the logistics list now and need to read some
archives, it would seem)
15:10 < mchua> then again, I'm also supposed to be asking stickster and
ianweller about these things since they're the Marketing delegates, so all is good :)
15:11 * mchua is simultaneously trying to be a good delegator and catch up on an
unexpectedly-acquired need to learn about the history of everything Marketing-related as
fast as possible...
15:11 < stickster> I think the team assumed getting a running instance blocked on
packaging.
15:12 < stickster> But I see that Toshio has mentioned that may not be a hard
blocker, and that we simply need to make progress on fixing things like licensing problems
as we go
15:12 < poelcat> ricky: if you have any suggestions for dates to add to the schedule
around that, please reply to my email
15:13 * stickster spells it out on the list, maybe for his own sanity
15:13 * ricky isn't very aware of the deadlines involved here, but that'd
definitely be nice to have somewhere before "get it into staging" in
Infrastructure.
15:13 * ricky looks for the right mail
15:13 < stickster> There is a publictest instance up now
15:13 < abadger1999> stickster: Yeah -- on the publictest, it would be good to
update to run with all the rpms we now have.
15:13 < abadger1999> That's the first step in getting it deployed to staging.
15:14 < abadger1999> poelcat: What information do you need from infrastructure WRT
scheduling?
15:14 < ricky> poelcat: Sorry, what's the difference between "Alpha Public
Availability" and "Test Instance 'Go Live'" ?
15:15 * quaid is lurking a bit now
15:15 < stickster> I think the Alpha public availability there means F12 Alpha,
doesn't it?
15:15 < mchua> stickster: is the publictest instance stable enough for
"marketing should start thinking about putting FI content up with News to try out how
that workflow goes," or should we wait for the next iteration (is that staging?)
15:15 < onekopaka> how do you Zikula people get a staging instance and blog people
don't?
15:15 < ricky> stickster: Ah, that clears it up, I was thinking about zikula, not
Fedora
15:15 * mchua hunts for logistics list
15:16 < mchua> ahh, https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/logistics
15:16 < ricky> onekopaka: Did you guys need one? All you had to do was ask for a
value1.stg to be built
15:16 < stickster> mchua: O! I'm sorry, I would have sent you that if I'd
known you needed it
15:16 < abadger1999> s/staging/publictest/ ?
15:16 < poelcat> abadger1999: whatever you think are realistic dates
15:17 < stickster> mchua: Probably a good list to be on -- most cross-team
initiatives will be coordinated on that list.
15:17 < ricky> One thing I wasn't quite clear about - will docs.fp.o be running
entirely on this for F12, or will that be slightly later?
15:17 < onekopaka> ricky: I'm pretty sure we asked for one and it didn't get
done. I am going to blame smooge.
15:17 < mchua> stickster: well technically I shouldn't *need* it, 'cause you
and ianweller are hanging out both here and around Marketing as interfaces... but yeah, i
should at least lurk
15:17 * mchua subscribeth
15:18 < stickster> mchua: lurking is good :-)
15:18 * mchua gets Yet More Email
15:18 < stickster> yay server-side filtering!
15:18 < mchua> stickster: I... may have to ask you about your setup for that someday
soon.
15:19 * mchua copes with the "I was offline for 12 hours and got *how* many
messages?" flood
15:19 < ianweller> mchua: i get too much email by going to sleep. i found the answer
was "don't sleep" but that's problematic
15:20 * onekopaka wonders how many lists ianweller is on.
15:21 * stickster looks for publictest we're on now
15:21 < ricky> stickster: http://publictest15.fedoraproject.org/cms/
15:21 < onekopaka> I knew it! 15!
15:21 < mchua> ianweller: I'm starting to get to the point where too much email
comes in even when I'm awake.
15:21 < ricky> Sorry if this got lost in the scroll back - will this be running
docs.fp.o completely for F12, or will that happen a bit later?
15:22 < stickster> ricky: Remains to be seen, but with every week that goes by I
think we're looking at slipping that to F13
15:22 < stickster> Does anyone have the administration information for this test
instance?
15:22 < ricky> Ah :-/
15:23 * ricky looks forward to the old CVS website stuff going away :-)
15:23 < ricky> As does all of the docs team, I'm sure :-)
15:23 < stickster> Me too
15:23 < quaid> stickster: umm ...
15:23 < onekopaka> yay CVS dying!
15:23 < stickster> abadger1999: ricky: Do either of you have the admin info for that
instance?
15:23 < quaid> docs.fp.o is not essential Infrastructure in the same way
15:23 < ricky> stickster: Nope, sorry :-/ ke4qqq might
15:24 < quaid> I think we need to just be a bit more risky here
15:24 < quaid> IMHO
15:24 < stickster> quaid: Care to spell that out?
15:24 < quaid> well, I have to look at the schedule more
15:24 < ricky> If it is going to be targetted for F12, one thing that I think is
vital is for people from l10n to be involved in some of these discussions, and ideally for
them and docs to test the translation workflow on the test instance.
15:24 < quaid> but why slip six months if we can't make it exactly within an F12
timeframe?
15:25 < quaid> ricky: sorry, what does L10n use? I thought they only needed Tx
15:25 < stickster> quaid: I didn't mean that F13 GA was a new target date,
simply that we might have to do the changeover during the F13 cycle
15:26 < quaid> oh, crap, mmcgrath_away just said we'd put in on the regular app
servers
15:26 < ricky> quaid: Maybe I'm confused about exactly how much of what's
currently there will change.
15:26 < onekopaka> quaid: Tx only covers the actual website that's in the
fedora-web repo, AFAIK
15:26 < stickster> It's kind of hypothetical now, anyway -- remains to be seen
how close we are to actually being able to put up content and share package media on the
instance.
15:26 < quaid> meaning we are beholden to infra freezes ...
15:26 < ricky> Will translators will be working 100% on po files for docbook pages
like they do now?
15:26 < ricky> quaid: The freeze lifts 1 day after release though
15:27 < quaid> ricky: it's possible that we can have l10n handle pushing their
own translations via Zikula, but not required to start.
15:27 < quaid> the trans is still PO via Tx
15:27 < stickster> quaid: +1.
15:27 * mchua wonders if Fedora Insight might make a nice lightweight test case for
zikula, if the docs.fp.o stuff is a much bigger effort that will take a lot of time to
become solid?
15:27 < ricky> Or will there be content not the current PO files on docs.fp.o that
will need to be translated?
15:27 < quaid> ricky: ok, yes, we may want to translate our zikula instance itself,
but that should probably be PO files via Tx, too, just as we do with fedora-web etc.
15:27 < mchua> (this is *not* a "work on marketing stuff instead of docs
stuff!" note - but a "if marketing working here on marketing stuff will help
docs stuff go faster, yay!" query.)
15:28 < stickster> mchua: You're right -- the docs.fp.o migration is not a
necessity for Zikula to be up and running, but it's part of where we want to end up
15:28 < ricky> If it's still PO + Tx, will the po files still be created by
xml2po from docbook files?
15:28 < stickster> Zikula is going to serve a bunch of needs. The first step is
getting the platform actually up and functioning, with a few people who are versed in
administering it.
15:28 < quaid> ricky: for docs, using publican + SCM of each upstream doc; not sure
how zikula handles l10n
15:29 < ricky> Ah, OK. That makes me much better about l10n.
15:29 < stickster> Zikula doesn't yet have a full l10n capability but it's
something that upstream is working on
15:29 < stickster> In fact, we may end up being able to test-bed that work
15:29 < ricky> So just out of curiousity: how will docs be uploaded to the site once
it's running zikula?
15:29 < stickster> ricky: There are plugins for sharing media files of arbitrary
types
15:29 < mchua> Ok. Since the Fedora Insight materials are going to be pretty
time-sensitive, that means (1) we want to get Fedora Insight running asap, but also (2) we
can reboot the infrastructure underneath it *quite* frequently and easily, if needed
15:29 < ricky> Will they still be uploaded as static files maybe in a special
directory, or will it be in the zikula db?
15:29 < ricky> Ah, cool
15:30 < stickster> ricky: The former, I believe, and the db handles the metadata and
page information surrounding the media
15:30 < ricky> So this is a lot less change in the docs workflow than I thought,
which is good from the l10n standpoint :-)
15:30 < mchua> stickster: yeah, that's what i was thinking, whether FI makes a
good zikula testbed so we make our mistakes there where it's more of a sandbox, and
less mistakes on docs once docs is up and running
15:30 < quaid> ricky: +1 that was a goal, I would think
15:31 < ricky> +1 to what mchua is saying - new sites are far easier to test on
15:31 < ricky> Cool :-)
15:31 < ricky> So in terms of the docs project, is zikula mostly replacing the beats
pages on the wiki as the step before docs are moved into publican?
15:31 < mchua> er, should we log this conversation?
15:32 < stickster> mchua: I have it logged locally on proxy and can publish it to
the list in lieu of meetbot, which we stopped earlier when it didn't seem clear that
anyone was showing up :-D
15:32 < stickster> ricky: to answer your question...
15:32 < quaid> ricky: perhaps over time, but for now, wiki beats are primary
interface.
15:32 < stickster> ricky: Eventually I think so
15:33 < ricky> Ah, OK - so then you'll be able to take advantage of the workflow
features and everything
15:33 < stickster> ricky: But a more immediate step is just to create a place where
people will be able to click-to-install any of the hundreds of RPMs created by publican
15:33 < stickster> per-language, per-guide, per-Fedora-release
15:34 < ricky> One other side note that just came up - should fedora infrastructure
be looking at deploying any of the docs sites via RPM instead of having a separate upload
mechanism?
15:34 < ianweller> i loev how we're having a meeting anyway. :)
15:34 < ianweller> love*
15:34 * mchua echoes ianweller
15:34 < ianweller> i'll get a log from zodbot/ricky at the end of our
"meeting" and email it.
15:35 < stickster> ricky: I'm not sure that creating an interim system that we
know we're going to replace anyway is worth it, but that depends on how much busy work
docs.fp.o is creating already
15:36 < ricky> Ah, that's true
15:38 * stickster checks one more time to make sure people understand that *we need more
help with PHP stuff*.
15:39 < stickster> There is some elbow-grease work to be done here, and I'm not
convinced that the few of us working on those problems can solve them all without help.
15:39 * stickster is certainly even lower than novice level on PHP
15:40 < stickster> Most of the remaining problems are related to stripping out
pieces that are not licensed compatibly, and replacing them with something that fulfills
the functional role but with a better license.
15:40 < stickster> For instance, a couple modules use the LightboxXL javascript,
which is CC-2.5 licensed incompatibly with GPLv2+
15:41 < stickster> (LightboxXL is one of those scripts that, when you click a
picture, dims the rest of the web page and pops up a bigger or otherwise alternate
version)
15:42 < ricky> By the way, a high five to the zikula guys for being so involved
here. I also took a look at the zikula code, and it looks a lot cleaner than most of the
PHP stuff I've seen :-)
15:44 < stickster> No doubt
15:44 < stickster> One thing I should add in that regard -- most modules are created
by the Zikula community at large, and in general they are very high quality. There are
simply some places where a full license audit has found problems. No different than when
Spot did Fedora's package licensing audit some time ago.
15:46 < ricky> Ah. Hopefully zikula upstream is benefitting a good amount from the
license scrutiny as well. It's not fun stuff, but it's great for all of that to
be fixed.
15:49 * stickster thinks the ur-meeting has petered out and sets about getting the log
together
15:50 < mchua> what needs to happen to have a FI-ready testbed up?
15:51 * mchua decides to ask on list instead
15:52 < ricky> OK, so are we done with this little meeting then :-)
15:52 < ricky> ianweller: Want logs to send?
15:52 < ianweller> ricky: that'd be lovely
2:39 p.m.
Hello,
I am very sorry, I could only check my email now. I am leaving for
Pune to join Red Hat on Saturday morning so my schedule is a bit
topsy-turvy right now. I will definitely be more regular from Monday.
2009/7/29 Karsten Wade <kwade(a)redhat.com>:
Agreed, on the schedule as non-blocking.
Satya has been working like mad but a little too isolated. I'd like
us to see if we can integrate her schedule so that we are beholden to
keep track of each other. So, non-blocking but maybe we can insert it
as a dependency *as if it were blocking*. I'd like to get the Docs
Team a bit more beholden to tracking and testing the progress of the
DocBook editor work. (We've been remiss in not responding to testing
requests and such in a timely manner.) At the same time, I'd like to
get Satya tied in her mind to this schedule so she is dropping status
updates to this list (as well as f-docs-l), etc.
Sure, I can send my updates on this list too. I am attaching the
latest tarball with this mail. One can also use the demo at [1] to
check it out. Currently you can't save the doc created as a file
(which is what I am working on right now). For the time being the work
around is to go to the XML view, select all and paste to a text
editor. The latest version can be obtained from by cloning from
tuxfamily.org [2].
I was somewhat stagnated due to developing an application only from a
developer's point of view. It would be great if people pool in with
some suggestions on how I can make it usable. After this week I will
be able to be regular again for the last stretch of GSoC and of course
continue contribution/maintenance on this. It would be great to work
alongside Zikula team and learn some PHP skills too (current PHP code
is sub par).
Regards,
Satya
[1] Demo: http://dev.gentooexperimental.org/~n9986/beacon/editor/
[2] git clone git://git.tuxfamily.org/gitroot/beacon/trunk.git
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