Evan, the principal and CEO behind laconi.ca and identi.ca (Control Yourself, Inc. in Montreal), has started offering free hosted instances to some free projects. I met Evan at Open Source Bridge in Portland last month and he asked me if the Fedora Project would be interested in one. I told him we would definitely love to try it out, because of our mission of and support for 100% free and open software and services. I believe this is their status.net service, launched very recently.
Now that Evan says there are some of these in existence now, I can let that cat out of the bag and start a discussion here. This would probably involve people in Infrastructure, Design, and potentially Websites and Marketing. The goals are to:
(1) Find someone interested from each involved team to work with the folks at CY on getting a hosted instance established. Timeline is flexible, but I think establishing the instance probably comes before applying any design so we can try it out privately before launching it as a *.fedoraproject.org service.
(2) Assuming things look good, provide a status.fedoraproject.org for our users that includes Fedora branding.
There are some other issues involved like sponsorship that I can take care of either personally or with the Board, but which don't really matter in the context of this list. Details I know about the service:
* The accounts would be separate from those on the normal identi.ca service, but people on identi.ca could subscribe to feeds from the hosted instance, and vice versa
* The service would act as an OpenID consumer, and since FAS is an OpenID provider, that could be sufficient to establish an account
I don't know yet how the public timelines can be combined. Obviously we don't want to *fragment* public status information, but on the other hand, I really like the idea of having a true Fedora Project public timeline that's always full of relevant information. Now that we have tools like gwibber and other software and services that allow you to set all status at once, the risk of sequestering our information away from the larger public are very low. We can even write an instruction guide that would help people stay connected while using this service.
So, who's interested in working on this?
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 11:43:05AM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
The accounts would be separate from those on the normal identi.ca service, but people on identi.ca could subscribe to feeds from the hosted instance, and vice versa
The service would act as an OpenID consumer, and since FAS is an OpenID provider, that could be sufficient to establish an account
Do you know whether or not we can require a FAS OpenID on ours?
So, who's interested in working on this?
Is this a blog site or we can maintain this site alike FAS?
2009/7/16 Ian Weller ian@ianweller.org
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 11:43:05AM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
The accounts would be separate from those on the normal identi.ca service, but people on identi.ca could subscribe to feeds from the hosted instance, and vice versa
The service would act as an OpenID consumer, and since FAS is an OpenID provider, that could be sufficient to establish an account
Do you know whether or not we can require a FAS OpenID on ours?
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2009/7/16 Ian Weller ian@ianweller.org:
Do you know whether or not we can require a FAS OpenID on ours?
Moreover, do we know that the FAS OpenID provider is actually serviceable right now? I know that there were some serious issues with it that needed to be resolved (involving pretty much a complete rewrite, IIRC).
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 02:38:05PM -0400, Jon Stanley wrote:
2009/7/16 Ian Weller ian@ianweller.org:
Do you know whether or not we can require a FAS OpenID on ours?
I know the option of OpenID authentication is available, and I suspect we can turn off other options if we want. The code is open so someone who knows the language would just need to take a look.
Moreover, do we know that the FAS OpenID provider is actually serviceable right now? I know that there were some serious issues with it that needed to be resolved (involving pretty much a complete rewrite, IIRC).
Would any of those issues keep it from working properly? Because I've been using it regularly for some time without issue.
On 2009-07-16 05:31:45 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
Moreover, do we know that the FAS OpenID provider is actually serviceable right now? I know that there were some serious issues with it that needed to be resolved (involving pretty much a complete rewrite, IIRC).
Would any of those issues keep it from working properly? Because I've been using it regularly for some time without issue.
At the moment, no, but it's not something that I'm confident in relying on in its current state, and we don't really consider it a fully tested/production feature in FAS, more of a preview. As Jon mentioned, it pretty much needs a total rewrite at this point to make sure that it fully complies with the OpenID spec.
Thanks, Ricky
2009/7/16 Paul W. Frields stickster@gmail.com:
Evan, the principal and CEO behind laconi.ca and identi.ca (Control Yourself, Inc. in Montreal), has started offering free hosted instances to some free projects. I met Evan at Open Source Bridge in Portland last month and he asked me if the Fedora Project would be interested in one. I told him we would definitely love to try it out, because of our mission of and support for 100% free and open software and services. I believe this is their status.net service, launched very recently.
What is the difference to simply holding an account on identi.ca?
Jon
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 07:30:37PM +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote:
2009/7/16 Paul W. Frields stickster@gmail.com:
Evan, the principal and CEO behind laconi.ca and identi.ca (Control Yourself, Inc. in Montreal), has started offering free hosted instances to some free projects. I met Evan at Open Source Bridge in Portland last month and he asked me if the Fedora Project would be interested in one. I told him we would definitely love to try it out, because of our mission of and support for 100% free and open software and services. I believe this is their status.net service, launched very recently.
What is the difference to simply holding an account on identi.ca?
This option would basically provide a micro-Planet. The crazy little hashtags and other foofaw are not used consistently enough to provide this in a meaningful way otherwise.
Paul W. Frields (stickster@gmail.com) said:
I don't know yet how the public timelines can be combined. Obviously we don't want to *fragment* public status information, but on the other hand, I really like the idea of having a true Fedora Project public timeline that's always full of relevant information.
The fragmentation would be my concern. Obviously, we have lots of people who are already on, and following others on, identi.ca and twitter. What benefits do we gain from having people have to look at Yet Another Source?
Bill
On Fri, 17 Jul 2009, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Paul W. Frields (stickster@gmail.com) said:
I don't know yet how the public timelines can be combined. Obviously we don't want to *fragment* public status information, but on the other hand, I really like the idea of having a true Fedora Project public timeline that's always full of relevant information.
The fragmentation would be my concern. Obviously, we have lots of people who are already on, and following others on, identi.ca and twitter. What benefits do we gain from having people have to look at Yet Another Source?
Wouldn't it make better sense to simply have an aggregate of 'fedora twits' - I mean - other than the normal mailing lists and irc channels. :)
-sv
On Fri, 2009-07-17 at 10:25 -0400, Seth Vidal wrote:
Wouldn't it make better sense to simply have an aggregate of 'fedora twits' - I mean - other than the normal mailing lists and irc channels. :)
I get the feeling this is what the thing that's being proposed is, because the accounts can subscribe to the normal identi.ca accounts and vice-versa. I think the benefits are:
(1) One microblog planet that is based on membership in fedora without being dependent on those funky #tags or !groups that many people don't use. So you can follow the people in the Fedora community on one page / via one feed.
(2) The main page for all the Fedora dents could be themed to appear as if it's another app in the Fedora set of web apps so we could get brand consistency.
Concerns with the above:
(1) If I'm subscribed to you on identi.ca and I'm subscribed to the Fedora feed, will it be smart enough not to send me duplicate notices? Now that would be yucky.
(2) Do individual identi.ca feeds have RSS? If so, couldn't we just use planet to aggregate our feeds in this way? I guess this though definitely wouldn't have the smarts to avoid duplicate notices.
I guess it's better to start out with a problem to solve rather than with a solution. If the problem to solve is needing branded aggregation of Fedora dents in one place, perhaps there is a better / simpler solution. Is there a different problem this is meant to solve?
I guess you could use your Fedora-dentica account to post only stuff relevant to Fedora and use your normal identi.ca account for personal stuff?
~m
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 10:34:17AM -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
<snip sensible thinking stuff ...>
I guess you could use your Fedora-dentica account to post only stuff relevant to Fedora and use your normal identi.ca account for personal stuff?
Alas, then we have the situation that hashtags/bangtags are meant to solve -- slotting a post in to the right tag bucket from one account, rather than having multiple accounts, one for each tag bucket (topic).
- Karsten
On Fri, 2009-07-17 at 08:07 -0700, Karsten Wade wrote:
Alas, then we have the situation that hashtags/bangtags are meant to solve -- slotting a post in to the right tag bucket from one account, rather than having multiple accounts, one for each tag bucket (topic).
Yeh but I hate the tags, they take away from your precious character limit, hehe.
~m
2009/7/17 Máirín Duffy duffy@redhat.com
On Fri, 2009-07-17 at 10:25 -0400, Seth Vidal wrote:
Wouldn't it make better sense to simply have an aggregate of 'fedora twits' - I mean - other than the normal mailing lists and irc channels. :)
I get the feeling this is what the thing that's being proposed is, because the accounts can subscribe to the normal identi.ca accounts and vice-versa. I think the benefits are:
(1) One microblog planet that is based on membership in fedora without being dependent on those funky #tags or !groups that many people don't use. So you can follow the people in the Fedora community on one page / via one feed.
(2) The main page for all the Fedora dents could be themed to appear as if it's another app in the Fedora set of web apps so we could get brand consistency.
Concerns with the above:
(1) If I'm subscribed to you on identi.ca and I'm subscribed to the Fedora feed, will it be smart enough not to send me duplicate notices? Now that would be yucky.
(2) Do individual identi.ca feeds have RSS? If so, couldn't we just use planet to aggregate our feeds in this way? I guess this though definitely wouldn't have the smarts to avoid duplicate notices.
I guess it's better to start out with a problem to solve rather than with a solution. If the problem to solve is needing branded aggregation of Fedora dents in one place, perhaps there is a better / simpler solution. Is there a different problem this is meant to solve?
I guess you could use your Fedora-dentica account to post only stuff relevant to Fedora and use your normal identi.ca account for personal stuff?
~m
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so, are we following anything on the site for Fedora?
@Rashadul irashadul@gmail.com rislam@irc.freenode.net
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 09:39:08AM -0400, Rashadul Islam wrote:
so, are we following anything on the site for Fedora?
I think Mo and Karsten are basically right that this is a solution in search of a problem, and that grouptags/hashtags are already taking care of this need. The chance of marginalizing our microblogging isn't worth taking here.
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 10:25:56AM -0400, Seth Vidal wrote:
Paul W. Frields (stickster@gmail.com) said:
I don't know yet how the public timelines can be combined. Obviously we don't want to *fragment* public status information, but on the other hand, I really like the idea of having a true Fedora Project public timeline that's always full of relevant information.
The fragmentation would be my concern. Obviously, we have lots of people who are already on, and following others on, identi.ca and twitter. What benefits do we gain from having people have to look at Yet Another Source?
Wouldn't it make better sense to simply have an aggregate of 'fedora twits' - I mean - other than the normal mailing lists and irc channels. :)
I don't see why you couldn't do something like planet and have ~/.identica files in $HOME on people1. Just a different template.
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