SWG Spins discussion and follow-up actions

[Matt Domsch]

FYI, these were the notes from last Monday's Board Strategic Working
Group meeting, where your responses to the Board's questions were
noted and discussed.  From this, there are several specific actions we
would like to see taken:

# the problems hampering Spins due to long GNOME dependency chain
  requirements has a ticket open for FESCo to discuss.
  https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/345

# hosting space for Spins for direct http downloads will be made available by
Infrastructure.
  Each spin should file a request for space with infrastructure.
  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/RFR

# being able to offer AutoQA
  individual Spins should get involved with QA Team to ensure their
  needs are addressed as well as those of the rest of the Project.
  This is highly dependent on Spins owners contributing to the QA
  methodologies and even direct test efforts - QA is already feeling
  overwhelmed, and we need to scale this process out across more volunteers.

# banners on get.fp.o -> spins.fp.o
  https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-websites/ticket/16
  People with web site building experience are asked to participate in
  the websites team to remove "waiting on someone who can" as a possible
  bottleneck.


I thank you all for your valuable input and continuing contributions
to Fedora.

Thanks,
Matt



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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:17:37 -0800
From: John Poelstra <poelstra(a)redhat.com&gt;
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Subject: Board SWG Meeting 2010-03-01 Recap
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https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Board_strategic_working_group_2010...

== Roll Call ==
* Attendees: John Poelstra, Paul Frields, Chris Tyler, Mike McGrath, 
Colin Walters, Matt Domsch
* Notes from last meeting: 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Board_strategic_working_group_2010...

== Spins Work ==
* Background:
** Matt and Colin have been collecting feedback to questions asked
** 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Walters/SpinsSigsRemixes_TargetAudience
** 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Walters/SpinsSigsRemixes_ChangeDistri...
** http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/spins/2010-February/000996.html
** https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Mdomsch/SWG_Spins
* Each spin producing group does believe they can and should define a 
target audience
* John: would it help clarify our message to refer to the live gnome 
desktop as the ''default offering'' rather than referring to it as a
spin?
** Paul: Spins were initially conceived as a range of things the 
community can produce that are alternatives to what we feel must be 
created, or add-ons that narrowly focus on special use cases
* Matt: Rel-eng sits in the middle of the spin creation process right 
now -- a couple communication breakdowns have happened over time, 
sometimes spin producers didn't know their spin was being built
** Matt: semi-OT -- at some point need to reconsider the question of who 
builds the spins. Does it always have to be Release Engineering?
** Paul: more narrowly aimed spins (FEL, Games, ...) seem to nail their 
use cases quite well
* Top of mind problem seems to be some dependency chains 
(system-config-keyboard), whether or not that is the most serious 
problem or not isn't clear
* '''PAIN POINT IDENTIFIED''': Dependency chain requirements cause

alternate desktop spins to still pull in a large portion of the GNOME stack.
** '''NEXT STEPS''': Mike will file ticket with FESCo requesting
they 
look at dependency chain requirements.  This could be a Fedora 
Engineering Services task.
** Colin willing to look at helping with dependency chain issues
** ''TICKET''': https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/345
* '''NON PAIN POINT''': Spins SIG does feel that resolution
processes 
have been working well when they're needed.
* Resources:
** Infrastructure now has the ability to host additional content, 
including spins.  This has been a long time incoming, and needs to be 
implemented and announced, but the capacity is there now.
** Ambassadors who want to pass out specific spins can make requests for 
monetary resources to CommArch, to be evaluated in the scope of media 
requests and budget.
*** The Board is not taking a stance on what medias should be produced 
for any particular event.
* Not sure what to do with feedback from survey work that showed that 
some people don't want the board to help or ask questions about how they 
can help

=== Next Steps & Positive Outcomes ===
# dependency chain requirements
#* https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/345
# hosting space for Spins
#* Each spin should file a request for space with infrastructure
# (tentative) being able to offer AutoQA
#* individual Spins should get involved with QA Team to ensure their 
needs are addressed as well as those of the rest of the Project.
# banners on get.fp.o
#* https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-websites/ticket/16
# Update wiki pages for information collected

== Default Offering  ==
* https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pfrields/Current_default_offering
* https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pfrields/Different_default_offering
* Give feedback to Paul by tomorrow, 2010-03-02
* Paul will send to Board for approval on 2010-03-02

== Topics and plan for next meeting ==
* John/Chris will take up topic of "What is a target audience?"
* Meet next week, 2010-03-08 at 20:00 UTC (3:00pm EST/12:00pm PST)
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[Jeroen van Meeuwen]

On 03/04/2010 10:18 PM, Matt Domsch wrote:
>  FYI, these were the notes from last Monday's Board Strategic
> Working
>  Group meeting, where your responses to the Board's questions were
>  noted and discussed. 
Yet, I fail to see how any of this has anything to do with the Board SWG
specifically, or the topic of "Target Audiences" in general.

Has any feedback on the original subject been collected?

-- Jeroen