Re: LXQt default applications improvement

LXQt default applications improvement

Hi Raphael,
> please keep enki or at least featherpad in LXQt spin, we need a text editor.

Keeping featherpad instead of enki will reduce image size to 110M
because enki installs much more dependencies.
> Further, I don't get the point to skip l10n packages or translation in general because of internationalisation, we shouldn't discriminate with default only english setup.

I don't mean removing l10n packages. I mean packaging translations
twice in some lxqt packages. For exammple pavucontrol-qt_*.qm included
both in pavucontrol-qt and in pavucontrol-qt-l10n

https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/rpminfo?rpmID=32797046
https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/rpminfo?rpmID=32797042

I made a typo in fedora-comps.diff, calculator package right name speedcrunch.

Thanks,
Alexey

2023-03-01 7:40 GMT+02:00, Raphael Groner :
> Hi,
>
> please keep enki or at least featherpad in LXQt spin, we need a text editor.
> Further, I don't get the point to skip l10n packages or translation in
> general because of internationalisation, we shouldn't discriminate with
> default only english setup.
>
> No idea about pavucontrol vs. pavucontrol-qt, I wondered also what is
> difference except qt base.
>
> Well, if we adjust spin applications there's now haruna, a qt media player,
> we could think about to add.
>
> Delegating this as discussion to LXQt mailing list. Propably good ideas for
> F38 as we officially have aarch64 as feature then.
>
> Best regards,
> Raphael
>
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 28. Februar 2023 um 23:01 Uhr
>
> Betreff: LXQt default applications improvement
>
> Hi Zamir, Christian, Raphael,
>
> I just tested LXQt live image and I have some ideas how to improve default
> set of applications.
>
> At first I found duplicate utilities pavucontrol, pavucontrol-qt and
> obconf,obconf-qt.
>
> pavucontrol is installed from lxqt-media comps group, obconf from
> lxqt-desktop group.
>
> From fedora-lxqt-common.ks installed lximage-qt-l10n, obconf-qt-l10n,
> pavucontrol-qt-l10n and as dependency lximage-qt, obconf-qt, pavucontrol-qt.
>
> I suggest to remove lximage-qt-l10n, obconf-qt-l10n, pavucontrol-qt-l10n
> from fedora-lxqt-common.ks, add lximage-qt to lxqt-desktop group, replace
> obconf with obconf-qt in  lxqt-desktop group and pavucontrol withh
> pavucontrol-qt in lxqt-media.
>
> From fedora-lxqt-common.ks remove enki text editor, add in lxqt-apps comps
> group other text editor featherpad, clipboard manager qlipper, document
> viewer qpdfview-qt5 and calculator speedcruch. After this change space on
> image should decrease on 80M mainly due to removing enki. I see featherpad,
> qlipper, qpdfview-qt5 in older comps-f27.xml but what reason for removing
> them?
>
> Also I found that many lxqt packages have translations both in main package
> and in -l10n subpackage.
>
> Attached patch for fedora-comps and fedora-kickstarts.
>
> Thanks,
> Alexey

LXQt default applications improvement

[Zamir SUN]

(Continuing reply here)

Hi all,

On 3/1/23 17:38, [e-mail] wrote:
> Hi Raphael,
> > please keep enki or at least featherpad in LXQt spin, we need a text editor.
>
> Keeping featherpad instead of enki will reduce image size to 110M
> because enki installs much more dependencies.

We definitely need at least a text editor in the spin by default. I'm 
slightly in favor of using something smaller. However, I'm not a daily 
user of either enki or featherpad, so I need to spend some time 
comparing them before sending out the proposal.
> > Further, I don't get the point to skip l10n packages or translation in general because of internationalisation, we shouldn't discriminate with default only english setup.

I might be wrong but I remember the kickstart file already get rid of 
some internationalization support before I take over the maintaining. So 
I'll spend some time looking into it, especially about the size increase 
if we keep all the l10n packages there.
> I don't mean removing l10n packages. I mean packaging translations
> twice in some lxqt packages. For exammple pavucontrol-qt_*.qm included
> both in pavucontrol-qt and in pavucontrol-qt-l10n
>
> https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/rpminfo?rpmID=32797046
> https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/rpminfo?rpmID=32797042

Good catch. That is definitely a bug to fix.

More below.
> I made a typo in fedora-comps.diff, calculator package right name speedcrunch.
>
> Thanks,
> Alexey
>
> 2023-03-01 7:40 GMT+02:00, Raphael Groner :
> > Hi,
> >
> > please keep enki or at least featherpad in LXQt spin, we need a text editor.
> > Further, I don't get the point to skip l10n packages or translation in
> > general because of internationalisation, we shouldn't discriminate with
> > default only english setup.
> >
> > No idea about pavucontrol vs. pavucontrol-qt, I wondered also what is
> > difference except qt base.

I personally feels so. But I'm not sure if we can get rid of pavucontrol 
or not without causing any issues. Will look into it later, too.
> > Well, if we adjust spin applications there's now haruna, a qt media player,
> > we could think about to add.

Noted, thanks.
> > Delegating this as discussion to LXQt mailing list. Propably good ideas for
> > F38 as we officially have aarch64 as feature then.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Raphael
> >
> > Gesendet: Dienstag, 28. Februar 2023 um 23:01 Uhr
> >
> > Betreff: LXQt default applications improvement
> >
> > Hi Zamir, Christian, Raphael,
> >
> > I just tested LXQt live image and I have some ideas how to improve default
> > set of applications.
> >
> > At first I found duplicate utilities pavucontrol, pavucontrol-qt and
> > obconf,obconf-qt.
> >
> > pavucontrol is installed from lxqt-media comps group, obconf from
> > lxqt-desktop group.
> >
> > From fedora-lxqt-common.ks installed lximage-qt-l10n, obconf-qt-l10n,
> > pavucontrol-qt-l10n and as dependency lximage-qt, obconf-qt, pavucontrol-qt.
> >
> > I suggest to remove lximage-qt-l10n, obconf-qt-l10n, pavucontrol-qt-l10n
> > from fedora-lxqt-common.ks, add lximage-qt to lxqt-desktop group, replace
> > obconf with obconf-qt in  lxqt-desktop group and pavucontrol withh
> > pavucontrol-qt in lxqt-media.
> >
> > From fedora-lxqt-common.ks remove enki text editor, add in lxqt-apps comps
> > group other text editor featherpad, clipboard manager qlipper, document
> > viewer qpdfview-qt5 and calculator speedcruch. After this change space on
> > image should decrease on 80M mainly due to removing enki. I see featherpad,
> > qlipper, qpdfview-qt5 in older comps-f27.xml but what reason for removing
> > them?
> >
> > Also I found that many lxqt packages have translations both in main package
> > and in -l10n subpackage.
> >
> > Attached patch for fedora-comps and fedora-kickstarts.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Alexey
> >
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