I was reluctant to continue this conversation since it has run it's
course I think. However, there are a couple of points I think need to
be clarified in the conversation. First, let's talk about what was
proposed, by who, and it's purpose. What is being proposed is a guide
for Editorial Board members of the Fedora Magazine to include a section
on bias in words used in articles and specifically how to edit such
articles. This was proposed by a senior member of the Editorial Board
who is no stranger in the community. The purpose is for the Editorial
Board to be more proactive in promoting inclusive non-biased
conversations within the Fedora Community, by keeping articles non-
Second I want to point out the English language is an ever evolving
language. Eventually, the use of allow/deny lists will likely be the
norm, but not because Fedora Magazine Editorial Board members decided
to make a guide, but because people will adopt them through daily use,
much like "blacklist/whitelist" are the norm today.
Our community is open, our minds should be too.
On Tue, 2020-06-23 at 16:32 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote:
Several comments on yesterday's fail2ban article, as well as
internal Red Hat mailing list traffic, raised concern with the use of
the word "blacklist". While the etymology of the term is not racist,
there are reasonable arguments to be made that it can contribute to
unconscious bias. Its meaning is also less obvious than alternatives
like "block list".
So there are two questions here:
1. Should we discourage the use of whitelist and blacklist in Fedora
Magazine in favor of alternatives like "allow list" and "block
2. Should we start developing a style guide that addresses this and
other issues (e.g. the style of projects like "NetworkManager" (not
"Network Manager") and other things both malign and benign (like
the words "simple" or "just") that a style guide normally covers)?
I am in favor of both of the above.
For anyone who is interested, I learned today that the latest update
to the codespell package (currently in testing) can flag some of
codespell --builtin clear,rare,usage <filename>
He / Him / His
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