On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 5:55 PM Silvia Sánchez <bhkohane(a)gmail.com> wrote:
That's really looking for a cat's fifth leg. Blacklist has nothing to do
with evil, it's just a list of things you don't want to see or use, and
whitelist is a list of things you want to explicitly allow.
Let's say we're talking about drivers, and I want to blacklist a specific
drivers because it's clashing with the default. Does that mean that
driver is evil? No, it's just means there's a conflict of versions or
products.
hey, so serious question: what does blacklist mean?
is it a list to restrict or deny someone?
Trying to find good and evil in a technical issue is pointless and I
agree
with others that this is a non-issue discussion.
The terms are not obfuscatory. They have been used for decades if not
more, and people understand them without even reaching for a dictionary.
If it makes you feel better, use another term. I for myself will not. My
life is complicated enough to worry about terms that haven't and never had
any foul meaning.
For the records, I did read the thread.
Best regards,
Lailah
On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 01:43, Paul Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't know how to say this any more clearly. Please read back into the
> thread. The issue is not the use of the word "black."
>
> The issue is the use of "blacklist/whitelist" where black and white are
> representative of evil and good respectively. It serves no useful purpose
> and is better expressed as allow/deny. Blacklist and whitelist are
> *themselves* obfuscatory terms. That's why it only makes more sense to stop
> using them.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 3:20 PM Silvia Sánchez <bhkohane(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Since when the word "black" is bad? It's a colour. Same as
white, blue,
>> orange and pale pink.
>> Changing the use of two terms associated with colours doesn't make any
>> sense and will be confusing for everyone.
>> I'm absolutely against it. We don't need to obfuscate the meaning of
>> things or make it hard to understand to non-native English speakers.
>> Also, did anyone actually got offended by this term? Or is it just a case
>> of opening the umbrella before it rains?
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Lailah
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 24 Jun 2020 at 00:06, Richard Shaw <hobbes1069(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Ok, so as the writer of the article here are my thoughts...
>> >
>> > I'm OK with changing the term if it add clarity, but I'm against
>> changing
>> > it just because it contains the name "black".
>> >
>> > It's a color. There are black pens, marks, crayons, etc (as far as
>> > reference to the color).
>> >
>> > Blacklisting something (or someone) has a long history of use (at least
>> in
>> > English) which has nothing to do with race.
>> >
>> > I don't see changing this particular article as a problem, but rather
>> as a
>> > stepping stone to a run-away issue for which there is no solution and
>> I'm
>> > not in favor of "cleansing" language to appease people who
can't help
>> > themselves from being offended even when there's no reason to be.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Richard
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