Idea

I was thinking of things that would make good articles and remembered an 
presentation I had found on line a while back. The link is below. I 
think a remake of this would be well received. The following are 
suggestions for the update:

	Less focus on politics
	Updated to current state
	An article not a slide set

I think folks like to know about the history of things they are involved 
with.

I'm not qualified to write this; so I haven't posted it as an article 
proposal.

	Have a Great Day!

	Pat	(tablepc)



https://dkaspar.fedorapeople.org/share/slides/history-of-FOSS.pdf

[Paul Frields]

I agree history is interesting and important. However, this doesn't
seem very Fedora specific, and we try to concentrate on that for the
Magazine. I would encourage more topics that are practically useful
for our readers.

Paul

On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 9:41 AM pmkellly(a)frontier.com
<pmkellly(a)frontier.com&gt; wrote:
>
>
> I was thinking of things that would make good articles and remembered an
> presentation I had found on line a while back. The link is below. I
> think a remake of this would be well received. The following are
> suggestions for the update:
>
>         Less focus on politics
>         Updated to current state
>         An article not a slide set
>
> I think folks like to know about the history of things they are involved
> with.
>
> I'm not qualified to write this; so I haven't posted it as an article
> proposal.
>
>         Have a Great Day!
>
>         Pat     (tablepc)
>
>
>
> https://dkaspar.fedorapeople.org/share/slides/history-of-FOSS.pdf
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[Dale Raby]

Also agree that history is important and interesting.  That said, there was
history before RedHat and RedHat certainly built on that foundation.  In
any case, even an article restricted to the history of RedHat/Fedora would
be interesting to me.  I know a few of the names, but not most of them.  If
somebody doesn't start writing the history now, the "source code" (people
who made the history) will be dead and unavailable for interview/commentary.

Also... ANYONE is qualified to write an article.  Remember; Noah's Ark was
built by amateurs, the Titanic was built by professionals.

On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 9:13 AM Paul Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  I agree history is interesting and important. However, this
> doesn't
>  seem very Fedora specific, and we try to concentrate on that for the
>  Magazine. I would encourage more topics that are practically useful
>  for our readers.
>
>  Paul
>
>  On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 9:41 AM pmkellly(a)frontier.com
>  <pmkellly(a)frontier.com&gt; wrote:
>  >
>  >
>  > I was thinking of things that would make good articles and remembered an
>  > presentation I had found on line a while back. The link is below. I
>  > think a remake of this would be well received. The following are
>  > suggestions for the update:
>  >
>  >         Less focus on politics
>  >         Updated to current state
>  >         An article not a slide set
>  >
>  > I think folks like to know about the history of things they are involved
>  > with.
>  >
>  > I'm not qualified to write this; so I haven't posted it as an article
>  > proposal.
>  >
>  >         Have a Great Day!
>  >
>  >         Pat     (tablepc)
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > https://dkaspar.fedorapeople.org/share/slides/history-of-FOSS.pdf
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[Silvia Sánchez]

Hello folks,

I also think that history is important and interesting.  I could write an
article about it.  Or maybe we could make a series  "History of Fedora"?
Maybe include a couple of interviews as well?
I could draft something about the beginnings, I like this kind of stuff.

Cheers,
Lailah




On Wed, 20 Nov 2019 at 16:33, Dale Raby <daleraby(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  Also agree that history is important and interesting.  That said,
> there was
>  history before RedHat and RedHat certainly built on that foundation.  In
>  any case, even an article restricted to the history of RedHat/Fedora would
>  be interesting to me.  I know a few of the names, but not most of them.  If
>  somebody doesn't start writing the history now, the "source code" (people
>  who made the history) will be dead and unavailable for
>  interview/commentary.
>
>  Also... ANYONE is qualified to write an article.  Remember; Noah's Ark was
>  built by amateurs, the Titanic was built by professionals.
>
>  On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 9:13 AM Paul Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>
>  > I agree history is interesting and important. However, this doesn't
>  > seem very Fedora specific, and we try to concentrate on that for the
>  > Magazine. I would encourage more topics that are practically useful
>  > for our readers.
>  >
>  > Paul
>  >
>  > On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 9:41 AM pmkellly(a)frontier.com
>  > <pmkellly(a)frontier.com&gt; wrote:
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > I was thinking of things that would make good articles and remembered
>  an
>  > > presentation I had found on line a while back. The link is below. I
>  > > think a remake of this would be well received. The following are
>  > > suggestions for the update:
>  > >
>  > >         Less focus on politics
>  > >         Updated to current state
>  > >         An article not a slide set
>  > >
>  > > I think folks like to know about the history of things they are
>  involved
>  > > with.
>  > >
>  > > I'm not qualified to write this; so I haven't posted it as an article
>  > > proposal.
>  > >
>  > >         Have a Great Day!
>  > >
>  > >         Pat     (tablepc)
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > https://dkaspar.fedorapeople.org/share/slides/history-of-FOSS.pdf
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[Paul Frields]

While a history of open source seems more suitable for something like
https://opensource.com, the idea of "History of Fedora" seems better
suited for the Magazine. Please see our new workflow and follow that
to file an idea issue!
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-magazine/workflow-article-pro...

Paul

On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 5:17 AM Silvia Sánchez <bhkohane(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>
>
> Hello folks,
>
> I also think that history is important and interesting.  I could write an article
about it.  Or maybe we could make a series  "History of Fedora"?  Maybe include
a couple of interviews as well?
> I could draft something about the beginnings, I like this kind of stuff.
>
> Cheers,
> Lailah
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 20 Nov 2019 at 16:33, Dale Raby <daleraby(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>>
>> Also agree that history is important and interesting.  That said, there was
>> history before RedHat and RedHat certainly built on that foundation.  In
>> any case, even an article restricted to the history of RedHat/Fedora would
>> be interesting to me.  I know a few of the names, but not most of them.  If
>> somebody doesn't start writing the history now, the "source code"
(people
>> who made the history) will be dead and unavailable for interview/commentary.
>>
>> Also... ANYONE is qualified to write an article.  Remember; Noah's Ark was
>> built by amateurs, the Titanic was built by professionals.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 9:13 AM Paul Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>>
>> > I agree history is interesting and important. However, this doesn't
>> > seem very Fedora specific, and we try to concentrate on that for the
>> > Magazine. I would encourage more topics that are practically useful
>> > for our readers.
>> >
>> > Paul
>> >
>> > On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 9:41 AM pmkellly(a)frontier.com
>> > <pmkellly(a)frontier.com&gt; wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I was thinking of things that would make good articles and remembered
an
>> > > presentation I had found on line a while back. The link is below. I
>> > > think a remake of this would be well received. The following are
>> > > suggestions for the update:
>> > >
>> > >         Less focus on politics
>> > >         Updated to current state
>> > >         An article not a slide set
>> > >
>> > > I think folks like to know about the history of things they are
involved
>> > > with.
>> > >
>> > > I'm not qualified to write this; so I haven't posted it as an
article
>> > > proposal.
>> > >
>> > >         Have a Great Day!
>> > >
>> > >         Pat     (tablepc)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > https://dkaspar.fedorapeople.org/share/slides/history-of-FOSS.pdf
>> > > _______________________________________________
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>>
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>>
>>
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>> Post-Apocalyptic Blacksmith, 777 Bon Mots for Gunslingers and Other Real
>> Men, available at most on-line booksellers in multiple formats.Note:  The
>> People of Jacb, Book II, In the Middle is currently being copy-editedand
>> should be out soon.  Just Google my name for a complete list of my work.*
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I know there's a lot of Redhat in it. I was thinking of the slide set as 
a starting point; Just the core idea really. I guess one of my 
suggestions for the rewrite should have been condensing the Redhat stuff 
to be a short introduction to where we came from. Which should include a 
little bit about what Redhat was trying to do from when it started. 
(major condensation) Then update the Fedora stuff from when Redhat 
started it. Then include more about how Fedora evolved to it's current 
state. Including some of the debates, hard decisions, Innovations, and 
triumphs.

I said I wasn't qualified to write this article because I am not one of 
those "source code" people. Also, I don't know the source code people. 
If I just write it, I am afraid it would turn out to be more fantasy 
than fact. However, if there is any indication that such an article 
would get published and no one who knows more about the topic 
volunteers. I will go ahead and make a try at the research to see if I 
can gather the sources necessary to start a draft. So... Should I post a 
proposal or just...


	Have a Great Day!

	Pat	(tablepc)


On 11/20/19 10:12, Paul Frields wrote:
> I agree history is interesting and important. However, this doesn't
> seem very Fedora specific, and we try to concentrate on that for the
> Magazine. I would encourage more topics that are practically useful
> for our readers.
> 
> Paul
> 
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 9:41 AM pmkellly(a)frontier.com
> <pmkellly(a)frontier.com&gt; wrote:
>>
>>
>> I was thinking of things that would make good articles and remembered an
>> presentation I had found on line a while back. The link is below. I
>> think a remake of this would be well received. The following are
>> suggestions for the update:
>>
>>          Less focus on politics
>>          Updated to current state
>>          An article not a slide set
>>
>> I think folks like to know about the history of things they are involved
>> with.
>>
>> I'm not qualified to write this; so I haven't posted it as an article
>> proposal.
>>
>>          Have a Great Day!
>>
>>          Pat     (tablepc)
>>
>>
>>
>> https://dkaspar.fedorapeople.org/share/slides/history-of-FOSS.pdf
>> _______________________________________________
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[Stuart D. Gathman]

On Wed, 20 Nov 2019, pmkellly(a)frontier.com wrote:

>  I think folks like to know about the history of things they are
> involved 
>  with. 
Under my topic of Decentralization, I would like to write articles 
on DNS (along with anyone else interested in the topic).  Starting with
the early federated days, where every recursive DNS server had its own
root zone and anyone could have a TLD - with varying success at getting
most DNS operators to include it in their root zone.

Then how complaints about inconsistent query results based on which
recursive server you were using led to the creation of ICANN, and
how the doomsayers warned about the dangers of centralized power
(and turned out to be largely correct).

Then explain about authoritative (primary and secondary), recursive, and
caching DNS servers.

Then how to articles, starting with how to use dnsmasq and point it to
resolvers with alternate root zones (e.g. opennic.org) for some or all TLDs.
Examples of domains under alternate roots to visit.

Then, a more advanced article on how to run bind and have your own
alternate root, including defaulting to using ICANN for TLDs you
don't care about (and thus also saving a lot of work).

I am familiar with bind, maybe someone else can write about how to 
use one of the more recent and simplified recursive resolvers that
supports alternate roots.

An article on how to register a domain under an ICANN TLD, 
and also an example of registering a domain under an alternate
root TLD.  Then how to run an authoritative server for your domain,
including having secondary (slave) servers in case your primary 
is down.  Advantages of running your own domain, including the
ability to switch email providers.

E.g. if you do not want the hassle of running your own email, you can
pay google to do its thing, but with your own domain.  Then you can
easily fire them and switch to a smaller, less monopolistic provider, or
even do it yourself (which is complicated by the many forms of email
abuse and the attempts by companies like google to combat them).

Again, I am familiar with bind, but I know things in Fedora like powerdns
are supposed to be easier for a simple authoritative server.

How to sign your domain with DNSSEC.  How to sign your alternate root
zone with DNSSEC.

Protocols to encrypt DNS queries by clients for privacy, and how to 
support them in your caching / authoritative / recursive DNS servers
and in Fedora apps that use DNS.

a) dnscrypt
b) dns over HTTPS
c) dns over SSL
d) dns over VPN
    This is arguably the simplest to configure for your own DNS servers,
    and with e.g. Cjdns has all the advantages of dns over HTTPS or SSL,
    including authenticating the server as well as encrypting the
    queries and whitelisting clients (to avoid DoS attacks using
    your recursive or caching server or keep a zone private).

Finally, there could be some discussion of alternate naming protocols
like Namecoin or dnsssb.

-- 
 	      Stuart D. Gathman <stuart(a)gathman.org&gt;
"Confutatis maledictis, flamis acribus addictis" - background song for
a Microsoft sponsored "Where do you want to go from here?" commercial.