article idea: Fedora for Ubuntu users

[Matthew Miller]

In looking at help forums, I often see questions from people coming
from the most popular Debian-based distribution. Since the Debian world
does a lot of things differently, it's common to see:

* How do I apt-get install things?
* Where are the logs?
* How do I get sudo access?
* How do I configure networking

I think an article targetting these users would be useful. (Being
careful, of course, to not make it antagonistic or hostile to our
friendly rivals from Canonical.)



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<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Fedora Project Leader

[Silvia Sánchez]

Hi,

I think one of the differences to explain is how the updates and upgrades
work.  Ubuntu has a strict schedule compared to Debian (its mother distro)
and Fedora.  They have LTS  (Fedora doesn't)  and  "normal" upgrades.
I've seen many people getting confused with this, often understanding that
Fedora is unstable because it has no LTS.  Maybe we could explain how
Fedora updates work and why this doesn't mean that is unstable, but just
things have organised in a different way?

My two cents,
Silvia
FAS: Lailah


On 9 January 2018 at 15:06, Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:

>  In looking at help forums, I often see questions from people coming
>  from the most popular Debian-based distribution. Since the Debian world
>  does a lot of things differently, it's common to see:
>
>  * How do I apt-get install things?
>  * Where are the logs?
>  * How do I get sudo access?
>  * How do I configure networking
>
>  I think an article targetting these users would be useful. (Being
>  careful, of course, to not make it antagonistic or hostile to our
>  friendly rivals from Canonical.)
>
>
>
>  --
>  Matthew Miller
>  <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  Fedora Project Leader
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[Matthew Miller]

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 11:59:55AM +0100, Silvia Sánchez wrote:
>  I think one of the differences to explain is how the updates and
> upgrades
>  work.  Ubuntu has a strict schedule compared to Debian (its mother distro)
>  and Fedora.  They have LTS  (Fedora doesn't)  and  "normal" upgrades.
>  I've seen many people getting confused with this, often understanding that
>  Fedora is unstable because it has no LTS.  Maybe we could explain how
>  Fedora updates work and why this doesn't mean that is unstable, but just
>  things have organised in a different way? 
I'm actually working on some messaging documents about LTS and rolling
releases. I think the above is a good topic, but for this article I'm
thinking more about practical tools differences rather than strutural
differences like that. Make sense? 

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<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Fedora Project Leader

[Eduard Lucena]

It make a lot of sense, but looking it as "trying to not compare" I think
it would be good idea to focus this in a serie of mini how-to refreshing
this knowledge. Or we can just send a lot of cheat cubes to everyone asking
:D

Br

2018-01-10 12:25 GMT-03:00 Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:

>  On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 11:59:55AM +0100, Silvia Sánchez wrote:
>  > I think one of the differences to explain is how the updates and upgrades
>  > work.  Ubuntu has a strict schedule compared to Debian (its mother
>  distro)
>  > and Fedora.  They have LTS  (Fedora doesn't)  and  "normal" upgrades.
>  > I've seen many people getting confused with this, often understanding
>  that
>  > Fedora is unstable because it has no LTS.  Maybe we could explain how
>  > Fedora updates work and why this doesn't mean that is unstable, but just
>  > things have organised in a different way?
>
>  I'm actually working on some messaging documents about LTS and rolling
>  releases. I think the above is a good topic, but for this article I'm
>  thinking more about practical tools differences rather than strutural
>  differences like that. Make sense?
>
>  --
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>  <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  Fedora Project Leader
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[Link Dupont]

What about expanding the series into a set of "Migrating from 
$OTHER_DISTRO"? Each article can touch on the differences between 
$OTHER_DISTRO and Fedora.

* Ubuntu
* Debian
* openSUSE
* ArchLinux

~link

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 7:28 AM, Eduard Lucena <eduardlucena(a)gmail.com&gt; 
wrote:
>  It make a lot of sense, but looking it as "trying to not
> compare" I 
>  think
>  it would be good idea to focus this in a serie of mini how-to 
>  refreshing
>  this knowledge. Or we can just send a lot of cheat cubes to everyone 
>  asking
>  :D
>  
>  Br
>  
>  2018-01-10 12:25 GMT-03:00 Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
>  
> >  On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 11:59:55AM +0100, Silvia Sánchez wrote:
> >  > I think one of the differences to explain is how the updates and 
> > upgrades
> >  > work.  Ubuntu has a strict schedule compared to Debian (its mother
> >  distro)
> >  > and Fedora.  They have LTS  (Fedora doesn't)  and  "normal" 
> > upgrades.
> >  > I've seen many people getting confused with this, often 
> > understanding
> >  that
> >  > Fedora is unstable because it has no LTS.  Maybe we could explain 
> > how
> >  > Fedora updates work and why this doesn't mean that is unstable, 
> > but just
> >  > things have organised in a different way?
> > 
> >  I'm actually working on some messaging documents about LTS and 
> > rolling
> >  releases. I think the above is a good topic, but for this article 
> > I'm
> >  thinking more about practical tools differences rather than 
> > strutural
> >  differences like that. Make sense?
> > 
> >  --
> >  Matthew Miller
> >  <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
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>  
>  
>  
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[Paul W. Frields]

On Tue, Jan 09, 2018 at 09:06:33AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
>  In looking at help forums, I often see questions from people coming
>  from the most popular Debian-based distribution. Since the Debian world
>  does a lot of things differently, it's common to see:
>  
>  * How do I apt-get install things?
>  * Where are the logs?
>  * How do I get sudo access?
>  * How do I configure networking
>  
>  I think an article targetting these users would be useful. (Being
>  careful, of course, to not make it antagonistic or hostile to our
>  friendly rivals from Canonical.) 
We didn't have time to delve into this in our weekly meeting, but I
agree this kind of article would be useful.  Interested in what other
editors think, too!

Is there someone on the list who'd be willing to draft such an
article?

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[Shaun Assam]

Hey Paul,

I can write the article. A draft can be ready by end of next week if that's ok?

Regards,

Shaun Assam
________________________________
From: Paul W. Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com&gt;
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 12:54:12 PM
To: magazine(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject: Re: article idea: Fedora for Ubuntu users

On Tue, Jan 09, 2018 at 09:06:33AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
>  In looking at help forums, I often see questions from people coming
>  from the most popular Debian-based distribution. Since the Debian world
>  does a lot of things differently, it's common to see:
>
>  * How do I apt-get install things?
>  * Where are the logs?
>  * How do I get sudo access?
>  * How do I configure networking
>
>  I think an article targetting these users would be useful. (Being
>  careful, of course, to not make it antagonistic or hostile to our
>  friendly rivals from Canonical.) 
We didn't have time to delve into this in our weekly meeting, but I
agree this kind of article would be useful.  Interested in what other
editors think, too!

Is there someone on the list who'd be willing to draft such an
article?

--
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[charles profitt]

On Tue, 2018-01-09 at 09:06 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
>  In looking at help forums, I often see questions from people coming
>  from the most popular Debian-based distribution. Since the Debian
>  world
>  does a lot of things differently, it's common to see:
>  
>  * How do I apt-get install things?
>  * Where are the logs?
>  * How do I get sudo access?
>  * How do I configure networking
>  
>  I think an article targetting these users would be useful. (Being
>  careful, of course, to not make it antagonistic or hostile to our
>  friendly rivals from Canonical.)
>   
I think this is a worthy article, but we may not have to skew it just
towards Ubuntu. It might be sufficient to be broader with Debian based
distros vs. Fedora. The gap may be closing now that Ubuntu is using
Gnome instead of Unity.

I would be happy to review or write the article.

Charles

[Paul W. Frields]

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 07:47:10AM -0800, Link Dupont wrote:
>  What about expanding the series into a set of "Migrating from
>  $OTHER_DISTRO"? Each article can touch on the differences between
>  $OTHER_DISTRO and Fedora.
>  
>  * Ubuntu
>  * Debian
>  * openSUSE
>  * ArchLinux 
This idea seems fine to me, but I'd propose "Fedora tips for
$OTHER_DISTRO users" which sounds less passive-aggressive to me. :-)

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[Paul W. Frields]

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 07:03:56PM +0000, Shaun Assam wrote:
>  I can write the article. A draft can be ready by end of next week if
> that's ok? 
Sounds good to me.  Feel free to notify us here on the list once you
have something you'd like reviewed.

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[Paul W. Frields]

On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 09:09:08PM -0500, charles profitt wrote:
>  On Tue, 2018-01-09 at 09:06 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
>  > In looking at help forums, I often see questions from people coming
>  > from the most popular Debian-based distribution. Since the Debian
>  > world
>  > does a lot of things differently, it's common to see:
>  > 
>  > * How do I apt-get install things?
>  > * Where are the logs?
>  > * How do I get sudo access?
>  > * How do I configure networking
>  > 
>  > I think an article targetting these users would be useful. (Being
>  > careful, of course, to not make it antagonistic or hostile to our
>  > friendly rivals from Canonical.)
>  > 
>  
>  I think this is a worthy article, but we may not have to skew it just
>  towards Ubuntu. It might be sufficient to be broader with Debian based
>  distros vs. Fedora. The gap may be closing now that Ubuntu is using
>  Gnome instead of Unity.
>  
>  I would be happy to review or write the article. 
Would you be OK to work with Shaun, review and collaborate on a draft?

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[charles profitt]

On Fri, 2018-01-12 at 08:47 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote:
>  
>  
>  Would you be OK to work with Shaun, review and collaborate on a
>  draft?
>  
>  --  
I would be OK with working with or just reviewing. I am happy either
way. 

Charles

[Paul W. Frields]

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 04:17:28PM -0500, charles profitt wrote:
>  On Fri, 2018-01-12 at 08:47 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote:
>  > 
>  > 
>  > Would you be OK to work with Shaun, review and collaborate on a
>  > draft?
>  > 
>  > -- 
>  
>  I would be OK with working with or just reviewing. I am happy either
>  way.  
It's up to you two.  Go for it!

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[Shaun Assam]

Hi Charles,

I think you would be better suited to write this article. Unfortunately my hands are
currently tied and it's hard for me to give this article the attention it deserves.
However I would be more than happy to provide any suggestions or ideas if needed.

Regards,

Shaun Assam
________________________________
From: Paul W. Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com&gt;
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 12:03:42 PM
To: magazine(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject: Re: article idea: Fedora for Ubuntu users

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 04:17:28PM -0500, charles profitt wrote:
>  On Fri, 2018-01-12 at 08:47 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote:
>  >
>  >
>  > Would you be OK to work with Shaun, review and collaborate on a
>  > draft?
>  >
>  > --
>
>  I would be OK with working with or just reviewing. I am happy either
>  way. 
It's up to you two.  Go for it!

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[Eduard Lucena]

Sorry, I get lost. What approach are we going to have here? The last one
commented was "Fedora tips for $OTHER_DISTRO users".

Br,

2018-01-19 11:24 GMT-03:00 Shaun Assam <thebeardedhermit(a)hotmail.com&gt;:

>  Hi Charles,
>
>  I think you would be better suited to write this article. Unfortunately my
>  hands are currently tied and it's hard for me to give this article the
>  attention it deserves. However I would be more than happy to provide any
>  suggestions or ideas if needed.
>
>  Regards,
>
>  Shaun Assam
>  ________________________________
>  From: Paul W. Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com&gt;
>  Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 12:03:42 PM
>  To: magazine(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  Subject: Re: article idea: Fedora for Ubuntu users
>
>  On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 04:17:28PM -0500, charles profitt wrote:
>  > On Fri, 2018-01-12 at 08:47 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote:
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > Would you be OK to work with Shaun, review and collaborate on a
>  > > draft?
>  > >
>  > > --
>  >
>  > I would be OK with working with or just reviewing. I am happy either
>  > way.
>
>  It's up to you two.  Go for it!
>
>  --
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[charles profitt]

Shaun:

I will start working on it early next week and send you a link to the
preview as I work on it. I will welcome all of your feedback.

Charles

On Fri, 2018-01-19 at 14:24 +0000, Shaun Assam wrote:
>  Hi Charles,
>  
>  I think you would be better suited to write this article.
>  Unfortunately my hands are currently tied and it's hard for me to
>  give this article the attention it deserves. However I would be more
>  than happy to provide any suggestions or ideas if needed.
>  
>  Regards,
>  
>  Shaun Assam
>  From: Paul W. Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com&gt;
>  Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 12:03:42 PM
>  To: magazine(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  Subject: Re: article idea: Fedora for Ubuntu users
>   
>  On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 04:17:28PM -0500, charles profitt wrote:
>  > On Fri, 2018-01-12 at 08:47 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote:
>  > > 
>  > > 
>  > > Would you be OK to work with Shaun, review and collaborate on a
>  > > draft?
>  > > 
>  > > -- 
>  > 
>  > I would be OK with working with or just reviewing. I am happy
>  either
>  > way. 
>  
>  It's up to you two.  Go for it!
>

[charles profitt]

Eduard:

I believe that is the approach we will take... though depending on how
the article goes it might be a series vs. a single article.

Charles

On Fri, 2018-01-19 at 11:40 -0300, Eduard Lucena wrote:
>  Sorry, I get lost. What approach are we going to have here? The last
>  one
>  commented was "Fedora tips for $OTHER_DISTRO users".
>  
>  Br,
>  
>  2018-01-19 11:24 GMT-03:00 Shaun Assam <thebeardedhermit(a)hotmail.com&gt;
>  :
>  
>  > Hi Charles,
>  > 
>  > I think you would be better suited to write this article.
>  > Unfortunately my
>  > hands are currently tied and it's hard for me to give this article
>  > the
>  > attention it deserves. However I would be more than happy to
>  > provide any
>  > suggestions or ideas if needed.
>  > 
>  > Regards,
>  > 
>  > Shaun Assam
>  > ________________________________
>  > From: Paul W. Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com&gt;
>  > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 12:03:42 PM
>  > To: magazine(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  > Subject: Re: article idea: Fedora for Ubuntu users
>  > 
>  > On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 04:17:28PM -0500, charles profitt wrote:
>  > > On Fri, 2018-01-12 at 08:47 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote:
>  > > > 
>  > > > 
>  > > > Would you be OK to work with Shaun, review and collaborate on a
>  > > > draft?
>  > > > 
>  > > > --
>  > > 
>  > > I would be OK with working with or just reviewing. I am happy
>  > > either
>  > > way.
>  > 
>  > It's up to you two.  Go for it!
>  > 
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